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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on October 19, 2015, 08:38:38 AM
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Hi everyone,
I have discussed this before....I think its time to reiterate it.
We all have an energy field in and around us that is commonly referred to as the Aura. It is now called the biofield. This is like the magnetic field around the earth and may other bodies. Nothing 'supernatural' about it. Its as natural as our body.
Yoga and tantra philosophies deal with such matters.
This biofield forms a part of our mind and our feelings and it influences the body, brain, other organs and glands to secrete chemicals that make the body respond suitably.
Its the biofield that is divided into many vortices that are called chakras (wheels) in Hinduism. These are places around the body where these energies flow in vortices or wheel like. There are many layers to this biofield which are broadly identified with the seven colours of the visible spectrum.
Each chakra beginning from the bottom is identified with a specific colour...red for the one at the bottom of the spine, orange for the sex area, yellow for the navel, green for the solar plexus, blue for the heart, indigo for the throat, violet for the forehead and white for the crown.
Our feelings and reactions are largely influenced by these energy flows and the balance in these chakras. These chakras could get filled in or depleted or congested etc depending on the energy flow and our interactions and reactions.
If the heart chakra for example, gets filled with positive energy, we feel happy and fulfilled, if it is depleted, we feel unhappy and sad. If the solar plexus gets filled with energy we could feel envious or jealous...and so on.
Our health is also largely determined by the biofield and the flow of energy in the chakras. Faith healing, reiki, pranic healing and so on use these systems for healing. The healing experience that Floo had in her agricultural field is also probably related to the same biofield and energy flows.
In other words...when we feel something in our heart...it relates to the heart chakra and when we feel something in the pit of our stomach, it relates to the relevant chakra and its energy flows at that time.
What is the proof? Its all experiential and we can observe the flow of energies in ourselves. Who ever wants objective evidence that can be observed by the five senses, should find some way of experimenting and finding objective evidence for it. There is no other way.
Just some thoughts.
Cheers.
Sriram
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Sriram you are stating as a fact, something you might believe to be true, but for which you have no evidence!
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Whatever it is, if there is something in this concept, it is not "energy". If it was "energy" then we could easily measure it and convert it between different forms and so on.
I've no problem with people proposing various hypotheses or models to explain aspects of mind or biology, but misusing scientific terms in everyday use will not help in establishing such theories.
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There is no real evidence to support synthesia being the explanation for auras. There seemed to be a lot of misreporting of some studies into this but in reality the hypothesis wasn't supported by the studies.
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I have a friend who says she sees auras. She doesn't claim anything 'special' for it - she doesn't claim to be psychic, or try to make money, or even just tell people what she sees. I've no reason to think she's lying, whether what she sees is an 'aura' or not.
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Sriram you are stating as a fact, something you might believe to be true, but for which you have no evidence!
Evidence?! YOU are the evidence! You had a cure that you or anyone else is unable to explain. And yet you have a problem accepting that it is not a normal cure.
Millions of others like you have had such experiences. There are many people who actually work professionally (not in a religious environment) to heal people using the biofield /chakras etc....and it works very well!
The biofield is something anyone who is sensitive enough will be able to feel around them. Its as simple as that.
In any case no one is going to 'prove' anything to anyone and hand it on a platter.
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While reading up about auras I came across something interesting
https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html
It's called synesthesia
The biofield has nothing to do with synesthesia. Synesthesia is about perceptional issues and the associations that some people seem to make with numbers and colours etc.
I am talking about a biofield which surrounds all living beings....and which is part of the mind and which influences the body also. Its not just about seeing colours.
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Sriram you are stating as a fact, something you might believe to be true, but for which you have no evidence!
Evidence?! YOU are the evidence! You had a cure that you or anyone else is unable to explain. And yet you have a problem accepting that it is not a normal cure.
Millions of others like you have had such experiences. There are many people who actually work professionally (not in a religious environment) to heal people using the biofield /chakras etc....and it works very well!
The biofield is something anyone who is sensitive enough will be able to feel around them. Its as simple as that.
In any case no one is going to 'prove' anything to anyone and hand it on a platter.
I am not evidence, I explained my so called 'cure'!
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
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I regularly see auras...mind you, mine are migraine related.
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Sriram you are stating as a fact, something you might believe to be true, but for which you have no evidence!
Evidence?! YOU are the evidence! You had a cure that you or anyone else is unable to explain. And yet you have a problem accepting that it is not a normal cure.
Millions of others like you have had such experiences. There are many people who actually work professionally (not in a religious environment) to heal people using the biofield /chakras etc....and it works very well!
The biofield is something anyone who is sensitive enough will be able to feel around them. Its as simple as that.
In any case no one is going to 'prove' anything to anyone and hand it on a platter.
I am not evidence, I explained my so called 'cure'!
You did not explain anything. You merely said that there is probably a natural explanation. I didn't say it was unnatural or supernatural either.
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Sriram you are stating as a fact, something you might believe to be true, but for which you have no evidence!
Evidence?! YOU are the evidence! You had a cure that you or anyone else is unable to explain. And yet you have a problem accepting that it is not a normal cure.
Millions of others like you have had such experiences. There are many people who actually work professionally (not in a religious environment) to heal people using the biofield /chakras etc....and it works very well!
The biofield is something anyone who is sensitive enough will be able to feel around them. Its as simple as that.
In any case no one is going to 'prove' anything to anyone and hand it on a platter.
I am not evidence, I explained my so called 'cure'!
You did not explain anything. You merely said that there is probably a natural explanation. I didn't say it was unnatural or supernatural either.
Well I think the pleasant vibes emanating from our field had a placebo effect.
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Sriram, I can see you have enabled much cognitive dissonance with this thread. It's not really surprising though, is it, knowing the members of the forum.
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You did not explain anything. You merely said that there is probably a natural explanation. I didn't say it was unnatural or supernatural either.
Well I think the pleasant vibes emanating from our field had a placebo effect.
What 'pleasant vibes'? Don't you get pleasant vibes anywhere else? LOL!
And what do you mean by a 'placebo' effect? Does anyone actually understand what the placebo effect is? I hope you realize that its not just a psychological conditioning or deception.
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Sriram, I can see you have enabled much cognitive dissonance with this thread. It's not really surprising though, is it, knowing the members of the forum.
:D
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Hi everyone,
I have discussed this before....I think its time to reiterate it.
We all have an energy field in and around us that is commonly referred to as the Aura. It is now called the biofield. This is like the magnetic field around the earth and may other bodies. Nothing 'supernatural' about it. Its as natural as our body.
How come we can't detect it with a compass then?
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This is totally off topic but every time I see this thread title James Bond pops into my mind.
Carry on..............
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This is totally off topic but every time I see this thread title James Bond pops into my mind.
Carry on..............
Ha! That's exactly what I thought, especially with the new film coming out soon.
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Millions of others like you have had such experiences. There are many people who actually work professionally (not in a religious environment) to heal people using the biofield /chakras etc....and it works very well!
=Placebo effect.The biofield is something anyone who is sensitive enough will be able to feel around them.
Here you are again, claiming for yourself and others a precious* sensitivity unavailable to sceptics etc.[quote
**precious - as in 'well, I'm more aware/sensitive/choose-your-adjective than other, ordinary people'.
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I wouldn't mind, but the human condition has been fairly wretched for most of human existence, and woo has been the main obstacle to progress.
If this biofield thing is a falsifiable hypothesis, let's just predict some consequences and test them.
If it isn't, then it's worthless at best.
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I wouldn't mind, but the human condition has been fairly wretched for most of human existence, and woo has been the main obstacle to progress.
If this biofield thing is a falsifiable hypothesis, let's just predict some consequences and test them.
If it isn't, then it's worthless at best.
Yes....that's right. I agree about the testing the hypothesis.
I am not sure about 'falsifiability'....(and how relevant that is to prove any hypothesis)...but certainly some process has to be designed such that these phenomena can be understood better. It should not be the crude insistence on 'seeing' or measuring through some instrument. That is soo... 'physics'!!
Here are people who themselves have had personal experiences that indicate the presence of such phenomena...but they are very quick to dismiss it. No one wants to go out of their comfort zone and find out what exactly is happening. They find it so much easier to get back to their basic mindset....instead of finding something new and learning something more about this world.
And everyone believes they are very objective and scientific and clever nevertheless. ::)
It'll take another generation perhaps....but it will happen!
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Such faith in woo by the pseudo science poeple.
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wouldn't rule out everything.
Good, fancy buying a bridge I have for sale?
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
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I've not been convinced by it tbh. But when I have felt the biofields of things it's been by touch anyway.
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As regards sensitivity to, so called, 'auras' or energy fields, I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be people who have such sensitivity. It may be that those who don't, have simply become desensitised or refuse to be open to the possibility.
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Yes, but what use can it be if you can't tell who can sense "auras" and those who can't but just pretend to?
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
This is certainly claimed as evidence - but if you do enough reading around the subject this tends to fall apart. To support auras and biofield there would need to be a lot stronger evidence than that SweetPea.
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Surely old Sriram has read this?
http://www.lightstalking.com/what-is-kirlian-photography-the-science-and-the-myth-revealed/
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wouldn't rule out everything.
Good, fancy buying a bridge I have for sale?
A bridge?
What would I do with a bridge?
LOL
I wouldn't buy one - it would be a bridge too far! ;)
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Surely old Sriram has read this?
http://www.lightstalking.com/what-is-kirlian-photography-the-science-and-the-myth-revealed/
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It was SweatPea who mentioned Kirlan photography. Would certainly be a good idea to take a look.
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I have a photo of my husband taken in the early part of this century, he is gardening and bending over a flower bed, there is a blue 'aura' all down his back. I thought it weird until he pointed out he was wearing a white T shirt, and it was a trick of the light. Some idiot unhelpfully suggested a few years later after his devastating brain haemorrhage, that the 'aura' was a sign of things to come! ::)
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Yes, but what use can it be if you can't tell who can sense "auras" and those who can't but just pretend to?
The only thing I can say to that is if I were open to the possibility, I might find it sufficiently interesting enough to explore it by attempting to develop a sensitivity to it myself. Provided I don't pretend to myself, the experience will indicate to me whether it is an actuality of just remains on the possibility list.
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
That can't be it. The thread title is "Biofield". You can make Kirlian photographs of non biological objects, like coins.
In fact Killian photographs are evidence of nothing more than good old scientific electric fields.
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Kirlian.
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Hi everyone,
Its odd that something that is so personal and so much a part of our mind and personality as the biofield, needs external and objective 'proof' in the form of photographs to be even known & acknowledged as existing!
But that's the problem even with our own bodies. We would never know that we have a brain, liver, kidneys, lungs, pancreas and so on if they didn't teach us that in biology class. We can live our entire lives knowing nothing about our internal organs though we use them every day!
If anyone takes the trouble to learn some advanced Yoga (beyond the postures) or Pranic healing they will be taught to actually feel the biofield and the chakras. Meanwhile, every time you look at a little baby and feel your heart expanding...know that it is your heart chakra expanding. Or if you hear a thud downstairs at night and feel fear grip your heart know that it is your heart chakra contracting. Or you feel envious and feel a burning in your solar plexus know that its your solar plexus chakra reacting. And many more such feelings that are nothing but our chakras expanding and contracting.
Also such experiences as healing due to prayer, faith, Reiki, Floo type of healing....are all due to the biofield getting regulated.
Most psychosomatic problems are also due to the problems in the biofield and the chakras. Most mental problems such as depression, schizophrenia etc. are related to biofield and chakra problems.
Cheers.
Sriram
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Of course that's what you believe Sriram but you state it all as facts which they are not.
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
Sweet Pea
Why is it that you will uncritically accept concepts like Kirlian photography yet scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye?
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
Sweet Pea
Why is it that you will uncritically accept concepts like Kirlian photography yet scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye?
I don't scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye. I just find it an amazing phenomena.
I'm not rushing to criticise Kirlian photography because I have seen the aura (biofield) around my own hands and know people that can see auras; and isn't photography well-known to be able to catch things that are not always visible to the naked eye.
Here, have a look at Kirlian's link:
http://tinyurl.com/qf6lhpr
What does a Kirlian Photography capture?
Kirlian photography equipment captures a subtle field of electromagnetic energy that radiates from all living things, otherwise known as an aura. In Western religious traditions, you can often see it portrayed in art as a halo surrounding saints or Deity. In Eastern religious traditions, it is thought to emanate from the chakras—or centers of energy within the body—and is often depicted as a multi-colored body of light surrounding a person.
For centuries, specialists who have been able to “see” auras without the help of an aura photo have explained that the colors exhibited in the aura have specific meanings. As a result, Kirlian Photography has been used to reveal important information about a person’s emotional energetic state—such as identifying the signs of rising energy-stress, allowing you to address the issue before physical symptoms arise.
The link goes on to say how Kirlian photography works.
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Hi everyone,
Its odd that something that is so personal and so much a part of our mind and personality as the biofield, needs external and objective 'proof' in the form of photographs to be even known & acknowledged as existing!
Why is it odd that people require you to provide evidence of your claims? It seems odd to me that you expect people to believe any old rubbish and then you protest when we challenge you. What do you expect us to do?
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
Sweet Pea
Why is it that you will uncritically accept concepts like Kirlian photography yet scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye?
I don't scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye. I just find it an amazing phenomena.
I'm not rushing to criticise Kirlian photography because I have seen the aura (biofield) around my own hands and know people that can see auras; and isn't photography well-known to be able to catch things that are not always visible to the naked eye.
Here, have a look at Kirlian's link:
http://tinyurl.com/qf6lhpr
What does a Kirlian Photography capture?
Kirlian photography equipment captures a subtle field of electromagnetic energy that radiates from all living things, otherwise known as an aura. In Western religious traditions, you can often see it portrayed in art as a halo surrounding saints or Deity. In Eastern religious traditions, it is thought to emanate from the chakras—or centers of energy within the body—and is often depicted as a multi-colored body of light surrounding a person.
For centuries, specialists who have been able to “see” auras without the help of an aura photo have explained that the colors exhibited in the aura have specific meanings. As a result, Kirlian Photography has been used to reveal important information about a person’s emotional energetic state—such as identifying the signs of rising energy-stress, allowing you to address the issue before physical symptoms arise.
The link goes on to say how Kirlian photography works.
The link neither explains what Kirlian photography is nor how it works. It is simply an elaborate advertisement devised on the P T Barnum principle of there being a sucker born every minute.
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I had an aura photo done once. What it photographed I have no idea, but the interpretation of the colours was a load of shite.
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Of course that's what you believe Sriram but you state it all as facts which they are not.
You don't get it. The biofield is not a belief. You don't ask for proof of your kidneys do you even though you have never seen them?!
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It should not be the crude insistence on 'seeing' or measuring through some instrument. That is soo... 'physics'!!
Science isn't about lab coats and meters. It's about asking the right questions.
Suppose it were possible to cross the optic nerves of two people, so each would see through the other's eyes. If one of those people sees auras, who will see them after the crossing?
(Analogy - if you could cross the aural nerves of two people, who would have the tinnitus?)
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Of course that's what you believe Sriram but you state it all as facts which they are not.
You don't get it. The biofield is not a belief. You don't ask for proof of your kidneys do you even though you have never seen them?!
I've seen my kidney's via a CT scan and we know humans have kidneys from dissectio, operations etc so unless I am unlike other humans I think it is safe to assume I do actually have kidneys. All the stuff about chakras and imbalances in the biofield are beliefs - not like our kidneys at all.
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Some more questions.
1. If two aura-seers are in the same room, but not allowed to communicate, and they both report what auras they see, will their reports be similar, or totally different?
2. Some people hear voices. Does anybody claim the voices are real sounds, inaudible to most people, but some people's ears can pick them up?
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2. Is known as being clairaudient.
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I seem to remember there was a lot of discussion about Kirlian photography and auras a number of years ago.
Yes, for any 'evidence' seekers, look at Kirlian photography.
Sweet Pea
Why is it that you will uncritically accept concepts like Kirlian photography yet scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye?
I don't scorn the idea that you can see the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye. I just find it an amazing phenomena.
I'm not rushing to criticise Kirlian photography because I have seen the aura (biofield) around my own hands and know people that can see auras; and isn't photography well-known to be able to catch things that are not always visible to the naked eye.
Here, have a look at Kirlian's link:
http://tinyurl.com/qf6lhpr
What does a Kirlian Photography capture?
Kirlian photography equipment captures a subtle field of electromagnetic energy that radiates from all living things, otherwise known as an aura. In Western religious traditions, you can often see it portrayed in art as a halo surrounding saints or Deity. In Eastern religious traditions, it is thought to emanate from the chakras—or centers of energy within the body—and is often depicted as a multi-colored body of light surrounding a person.
For centuries, specialists who have been able to “see” auras without the help of an aura photo have explained that the colors exhibited in the aura have specific meanings. As a result, Kirlian Photography has been used to reveal important information about a person’s emotional energetic state—such as identifying the signs of rising energy-stress, allowing you to address the issue before physical symptoms arise.
The link goes on to say how Kirlian photography works.
The link neither explains what Kirlian photography is nor how it works. It is simply an elaborate advertisement devised on the P T Barnum principle of there being a sucker born every minute.
Ok, tell me why ancient artists should draw what is known as a 'halo' around saints or deity.
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What has that to do with Kirlian photography?
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Hi everyone,
As I have already mentioned...the biofield is not something supernatural. It is just a natural part of our body/mind system that science has not been able to detect yet. Science doesn't know so many things about our mind/body even now...so no big deal that science does not know about the biofield yet. It probably will catch up in due course.
That of course does not stop us from having subjective experiences of it and need not stop us from trying to understand it from some people who know something about it. The mindset that it is something dark and dangerous is rubbish. Just some peoples insecurity that makes them think so.
That some mainstream scientists look down their noses at such matters is neither here nor there! They have lot on their hands...what with ...bodies interacting instantaneously across billions of miles...mind influencing quantum states...parallel universes...anthropic principle...NDE's and so on. ;)
Cheers.
Sriram
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Ok, tell me why ancient artists should draw what is known as a 'halo' around saints or deity.
Because, like so many other things in early christianity, it was something they plagiarised from other sects and cultures.
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A good example of how a dose of confirmation bias can get you to believe in any old mumbo jumbo.
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Ok, tell me why ancient artists should draw what is known as a 'halo' around saints or deity.
Many people in the Bible must have had haloes, but it's never mentioned.
Did the disciples have haloes before they were called? Or when did they acquire them?
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Hi everyone,
Hippocrates is believed to have said..." Natural forces within us are the true healers of disease'.
This is truly profound and a well accepted reality in most ancient traditions. The biofield that I have referred to above and the flow of prana (energies) is the true healer of disease.....even when external medicines and drugs need to be taken.
Cheers.
Sriram
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Hippocrates is believed to have said...
" Natural forces within us are the true healers of disease'.
Do you realise the meaning of this quote is actually the opposite of what you are trying to push here?
Hippocrates is credited with being the first person to believe that diseases were caused naturally, not because of superstition and gods.
He was advocating evidence based medicine not your wishful thinking.
This is truly profound and a well accepted reality in most ancient traditions. The biofield that I have referred to above and the flow of prana (energies) is the true healer of disease.....even when external medicines and drugs need to be taken.
Both of those belong more to the superstition category than the natural category.
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You still haven't understood that the biofield and its energies have nothing to do with superstition and 'gods' and that they are as natural as our body/mind?!! Goodness.....you have a long way to go...jeremyp!
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You still haven't understood that the biofield and its energies have nothing to do with superstition and 'gods' and that they are as natural as our body/mind?!! Goodness.....you have a long way to go...jeremyp!
You haven't understood that just saying something is real doesn't make it so. You have a very long way to go.