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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on October 26, 2015, 12:57:44 PM
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Hi everyone,
Sausages, ham and red meat in general could be causing cancers.
http://www.ndtv.com/health/sausages-ham-are-cancer-causing-red-meat-probably-too-un-agency-1236508?pfrom=home-people
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Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer, and red meat "probably" does too, an arm of the World Health Organization said today.
The findings support "recommendations to limit intake of meat," said the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which compiled a review of more than 800 studies on the link between a meat diet and cancer.
"In view of the large number of people who consume processed meat, the global impact on cancer incidence is of public health importance," IARC official Kurt Straif said in a statement.
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Cheers.
Sriram
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Hi everyone,
Sausages, ham and red meat in general could be causing cancers.
http://www.ndtv.com/health/sausages-ham-are-cancer-causing-red-meat-probably-too-un-agency-1236508?pfrom=home-people
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Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer, and red meat "probably" does too, an arm of the World Health Organization said today.
The findings support "recommendations to limit intake of meat," said the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which compiled a review of more than 800 studies on the link between a meat diet and cancer.
"In view of the large number of people who consume processed meat, the global impact on cancer incidence is of public health importance," IARC official Kurt Straif said in a statement.
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Cheers.
Sriram
Read enough and you will find that someone, somewhere, with a degree in something will tell you that just about everything in the world will give you cancer!
If you avoid them all it will be inevitable that 99.9% of the world's population will die of starvation and/or thirst!
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Not bothered as I haven't eaten red meat in years & have no intention of ever eating it again anyway ?!!?!???
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We eat meat, but not every day. Let's face it you wouldn't eat/drink anything if you listened to the frequent scare stories. Moderation in all things, I say!
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Second class journalism has provided another story that you can put an anti-west spin onto.
Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer
Implication? Eat sausages, ham and processed meats and you will contract colon cancer.
Wrong. There is certainly a connection between these products and colon cancer but it is not direct and not absolute. The majority of people who do eat these products will not contract cancer but there is a heightened risk of them doing so.
It is not certain why this increased risk exists. It may be other substances - such as salt - added during processing. It may be other dietary factors such as reduced consumption of dietary fibre.
There are other factors besides meat which may be influential - one of which is that there is sometimes a familial link. So, genetics may be involved.
This report comes from a respected source. It appears to be presented, however, in such a simplistic fashion that it encourages inadequate journalism ... and Sriram's attention.
My interest in this?
I have lost two people, very dear to me, to colorectal cancer. Neither was a great meat eater, one was virtually vegetarian. They didn't get their cancers from processed meat.
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Second class journalism has provided another story that you can put an anti-west spin onto.
Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer
Implication? Eat sausages, ham and processed meats and you will contract colon cancer.
Wrong. There is certainly a connection between these products and colon cancer but it is not direct and not absolute. The majority of people who do eat these products will not contract cancer but there is a heightened risk of them doing so.
It is not certain why this increased risk exists. It may be other substances - such as salt - added during processing. It may be other dietary factors such as reduced consumption of dietary fibre.
There are other factors besides meat which may be influential - one of which is that there is sometimes a familial link. So, genetics may be involved.
This report comes from a respected source. It appears to be presented, however, in such a simplistic fashion that it encourages inadequate journalism ... and Sriram's attention.
My interest in this?
I have lost two people, very dear to me, to colorectal cancer. Neither was a great meat eater, one was virtually vegetarian. They didn't get their cancers from processed meat.
Can reading second class and inadequate journalism cause brain cancer? Or is it that having brain cancer may cause you to read second rate and inadequate journalism?
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Second class journalism has provided another story that you can put an anti-west spin onto.
Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer
Implication? Eat sausages, ham and processed meats and you will contract colon cancer.
Wrong. There is certainly a connection between these products and colon cancer but it is not direct and not absolute. The majority of people who do eat these products will not contract cancer but there is a heightened risk of them doing so.
It is not certain why this increased risk exists. It may be other substances - such as salt - added during processing. It may be other dietary factors such as reduced consumption of dietary fibre.
There are other factors besides meat which may be influential - one of which is that there is sometimes a familial link. So, genetics may be involved.
This report comes from a respected source. It appears to be presented, however, in such a simplistic fashion that it encourages inadequate journalism ... and Sriram's attention.
My interest in this?
I have lost two people, very dear to me, to colorectal cancer. Neither was a great meat eater, one was virtually vegetarian. They didn't get their cancers from processed meat.
I'm sorry to hear that, HH. Both my grandfather and his son died within a year of each other of colorectal cancer so I guess I am at risk. I eat loads of veg, fruit and nuts but who knows? If I were a meat eater I wouldn't be giving up the odd bacon butty.
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Second class journalism has provided another story that you can put an anti-west spin onto.
HH,
Many trolls have dogged my footsteps over the years with their irrelevant, malicious and outright idiotic posts...and many still do. I treat them as something that cannot be helped...like dogs chasing cars...its just something one has to put up with!
You are fast becoming one too. And I know many others follow along with you too...barely remaining on the fringes.
'Anti-west spin'...indeed! I know you are having to put up with many changes in Britain in particular and the west in general... including a vastly diminished status, weak economy, cultural 'invasions' from India and other countries.....and many others such problems. It must be difficult for you, I realize. But you need to grow up and stop being petty about it.
The red meat alert is something being discussed in all major news sites. Your problem with it is nothing short of ridiculous.
Want to eat meat...go ahead. Want a healthy alternative...become a vegetarian! But stop trolling me around.....alright!?!
Cheers.
Sriram
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Sriram
I have followed your posts on this board and on the BBC board for many years. I have generally found your contributions positive, providing a different cultural context from that of most members of this forum - and refreshing for that. I have never, necessarily, agreed with all you have said or promoted, but have always been pleased to see your contributions because they have extended my understanding of aspects of some of the subjects posted on this forum.
For some reason you have decided that my contributions indicate a hostility to you and your homeland. Why this should be so, I have no idea. Now you accuse me of being a troll. I think that you should look in a mirror sometime - it is you who have developed the troll-like behaviour.
Consider: You cut and paste some article from a popular news website - often written without any of the qualifying information that would establish its real importance and context. Your favourite such articles usually contain - implied if not explicit - critical comment about some aspect of life in west.
You then post them without any any indication of your own opinion about the article but then, when comments start arriving, treat other people's opinions with scorn. Even when it is clear that respondents have better, more expert, knowledge of that subject than you do, you continue with the patronising responses. That is being a troll.
I have indicated in my previous response that colon cancer has a particular, intimate and very personal resonance with me. Back off and you grow up.
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HH,
You are just being more ridiculous than ever. Even I have a friend who has colon cancer....and he is a strict vegetarian. So...what has the WHO report on red meat got to do with that?
When I post on spirituality and Hinduism ....I offer my views more than most others. I also often post on socially relevant issues like women's issues, killings, health alerts, science news and so on which I think could initiate a debate. Normally it doesn't because someone like you hijacks the thread and starts off about ...'what about India then?'.
I post about Britain and America because that's what is relevant to you people on here. I have no opinions on most of those issues because they do not concern me and I know almost nothing about it. And excerpts will be excerpts....if you want to read more, I always provide a link.
And you are complaining that I don't agree with your views? LOL! What kind of a complaint is that?!
I think you are a fairly reasonable fellow...which is why I am even talking to you.
Anyway..my views above stand.
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I think you are a fairly reasonable fellow...which is why I am even talking to you.
Why did you insult him by calling him a troll then?
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I found the reporting on this, as with most reporting on health risks, execrable. The link below covers some of the issues.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/10/why-is-the-world-health-organization-so-bad-at-communicating-cancer-risk/412468/
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I found the reporting on this, as with most reporting on health risks, execrable. The link below covers some of the issues.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/10/why-is-the-world-health-organization-so-bad-at-communicating-cancer-risk/412468/
Thank you very much for that.
"Very Sane" if I may say so.
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Sanity is a cruel god with no sense of humour
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
A MATRON! On the drugs round? Bloody Hell, things must be worse in the NHS than I thought, it always used to be a Staff Nurse on the job, not even a Sister, but MATRON?
Either that or she has designs on your body!
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This is obviously just a scaremongering exercise. Have you veggies stopped drinking coffee and using aloe vera, cause they can cause cancer as well?
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
A MATRON! On the drugs round? Bloody Hell, things must be worse in the NHS than I thought, it always used to be a DStaff Nurse on ythe job, not even a sister, but MATRON.
Either that or she has designs on your body!
Matrons sadly disappeared along with the carry on films :(
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
A MATRON! On the drugs round? Bloody Hell, things must be worse in the NHS than I thought, it always used to be a DStaff Nurse on ythe job, not even a sister, but MATRON.
Either that or she has designs on your body!
Matrons sadly disappeared along with the carry on films :(
Oh the beloved Hattie Jacques!
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Yikes Rose, That reminds me of the time I left the farm to head to my job in town. Passing the farm next to us, their lab dog ran out onto the road to chase my care and I hit it hard. I was sick about it and called them as soon as got to my job. Their kids went and found their dog hiding in the trees all broken up. They had to shoot the animal and they had the nerve to tell me I should drive below the speed limit when passing their farm. Their dog would be alive if I had been driving slow. Nope, I was outraged that they would try and blame me for their failure as pet owners. A dog can learn not to chase vehicles, that is a fact. If a person were to swerve to miss hitting your animal and got into a fatal accident, or hurt themselves or others in another vehicle, the blame would be totally yours and the law would not be friendly to you.
Just a warning, you can prevent such a thing happening.
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
A MATRON! On the drugs round? Bloody Hell, things must be worse in the NHS than I thought, it always used to be a DStaff Nurse on ythe job, not even a sister, but MATRON.
Either that or she has designs on your body!
Matrons sadly disappeared along with the carry on films :(
Oh the beloved Hattie Jacques!
I sometimes think John le Mesurier must have been the nicest bloke on the planet in the twentieth century.
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I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Matron is just coming with drugs trolley ....
A MATRON! On the drugs round? Bloody Hell, things must be worse in the NHS than I thought, it always used to be a DStaff Nurse on ythe job, not even a sister, but MATRON.
Either that or she has designs on your body!
Matrons sadly disappeared along with the carry on films :(
Oh the beloved Hattie Jacques!
I sometimes think John le Mesurier must have been the nicest bloke on the planet in the twentieth century.
He was certainly one of the most understated - his ability to be a star and at the same time quite modest was one of hos really great points.
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Hi everyone,
Sausages, ham and red meat in general could be causing cancers.
Maybe there is no such thing as a fully safe food, and all we can do is balance our risks. Oxygen is maybe way more harmful to us than eating red meat, but then not breathing oxygen is far more harmful still.
Who do you f'in get in touch with ?
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Hi everyone,
I believe all this is a part of our evolution into a 'higher' consciousness. Yeah...yeah..I know you people don't believe in anything 'higher' and 'lower' and so on. But I do!
There is now a new normal. People couldn't live without meat decades/centuries ago. Now it is different. We have to slowly give up meat and become vegetarians. This will happen more and more over the next few decades and centuries.
All part of the growing humanism, compassion, non-violence, universal thinking.. that is expected of us. You don't do it willingly...it'll be forced on you. You can see the trend so clearly....its amazing!
Cheers.
Sriram
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We have to slowly give up meat and become vegetarians.
Nothing said about vegetarianism. Birds, reptiles, fish and invertebrates still seem to be fine.
Mammals are a little closer to cannibalism. But it would be interesting to know what the WHO thinks about kosher and halal meat.
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I suppose most life on this planet is cannabilistic in a sense. I might draw the line at eating grandma, or my enemies, but now we know that cabbage on the plate is actually a distant cousin. It's only the photosynthesisers that can have a truly clean conscience, they eat noone but they get munched by the herbivores. Dull but nice.
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Hi everyone,
We have to slowly give up meat and become vegetarians.
Cheers.
Sriram
NO. NO. NO.
No we do NOT "have to"!
Where do you get the idea that you can force anyone to comply with your values? Suddenly the Veggie Mafia decides what I can and cannot eat?
No way!
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Hi everyone,
I believe all this is a part of our evolution into a 'higher' consciousness. Yeah...yeah..I know you people don't believe in anything 'higher' and 'lower' and so on. But I do!
There is now a new normal. People couldn't live without meat decades/centuries ago. Now it is different. We have to slowly give up meat and become vegetarians. This will happen more and more over the next few decades and centuries.
All part of the growing humanism, compassion, non-violence, universal thinking.. that is expected of us. You don't do it willingly...it'll be forced on you. You can see the trend so clearly....its amazing!
And yet earlier you said 'I post about Britain and America because that's what is relevant to you people on here. I have no opinions on most of those issues because they do not concern me '
This is why I asked for your views on another thread because you do have views on the things you post otherwise you wouldn't select those items to post about. Why not say what your views are upfront and as to why you posted that story?
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Hi everyone,
Judaism, Christianity and Islam traditionally treat animals as though they are 'created for human consumption'. Though some fables do use animals to outline human conditions and moral messages....generally animals did not form a part of 'Gods' plan'.
After the theory of evolution humans realized that animals are our cousins and possibly share our feelings of sorrow and happiness.
Walt Disney took this to a different level and brought animals to almost human levels. Then came the animal rights movement and the veggie and vegan movements. Now its being taken to the next level where meat consumption could be reduced significantly over the next several decades. Good going IMO!
We then need to realize that animals also have 'souls' and are a part of the spiritual evolution of life.
All part of the human learning and development process I suppose!
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We then need to realize that animals also have 'souls' and are a part of the spiritual evolution of life.
Whilst vegetables, of course, don't, even though they are an integral and indispensable part of the same process! ::)
All part of the human learning and development process I suppose!
More correctly, "all part of the human delusionary process".
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Judaism, Christianity and Islam traditionally treat animals as though they are 'created for human consumption'.
Since long before any of those existed, food production was about 99% of the economy. There were 2 cultures, the growers and the pastoralists. For the pastoralists, the keeping and slaughtering and cooking and eating of animals was obviously a dominant preoccupation and of course they developed a self-serving point of view.
As it happens, it seems to have been a school of hereditary slaughtermen who evolved into the Jewish priesthood.
In other parts of the world, the religion of the growers became dominant. These things just happen. The winners aren't necessarily right.
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Research links cancer to fruit and vegetables
:'(
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/17/medicalscience.research
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The only safe thing to do is stop eating food.
And breathing air.
Oh, hang on a minute ...
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The only safe thing to do is stop eating food.
And breathing air.
Oh, hang on a minute ...
Lucky is the man who has access to unadulterated food and uncontaminated air, but I fear those are very few. :(
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Research links cancer to fruit and vegetables
:'(
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/17/medicalscience.research
Whatever the danger from nitrates in fruit and veg, it will be worse in meat as it accumulates.
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I'm allergic to formaldehyde (proper allergy, diagnosed in hospital). Apples break down into methane during digestion which releases formaldehyde into the body. There's more formaldehyde released into the body from eating fruit and veg than from drinking water from plastic bottles.
Thankfully I can still eat food. But most people avoid formaldehyde not because they are allergic but because it is believed to be carcinogenic. We don't really seem to have a clue about these things.
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