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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on November 04, 2015, 06:50:31 AM
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Hi everyone,
The death rate for middle aged white Americans seems to have gone up during the last 15 years......while it has gone down for other groups.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
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For decades, nearly all Americans -- in every age and racial group -- have seen decreases in death rates. But in the last nearly 15 years, middle-aged white Americans have been left out, according to a study.
Death rates for white Americans ages 45 to 54 climbed half a percent each year between 1999 and 2013, researchers at Princeton University found using mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the previous two decades, the death rate for this group had dropped by 2% each year. Middle-aged blacks and Hispanics continued to see a 2% annual decline between 1999 and 2013.
"We have come to expect mortality rates in middle age to continue to decline, which they did throughout most of the 20th century...it was really a surprise to see a sustained period when mortality rates actually increased (among middle-aged white Americans)," said Anne Case, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University.
Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
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For information.
Cheers.
Sriram
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Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
Not sausages then
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Hi everyone,
The death rate for middle aged white Americans seems to have gone up during the last 15 years......while it has gone down for other groups.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
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For decades, nearly all Americans -- in every age and racial group -- have seen decreases in death rates. But in the last nearly 15 years, middle-aged white Americans have been left out, according to a study.
Death rates for white Americans ages 45 to 54 climbed half a percent each year between 1999 and 2013, researchers at Princeton University found using mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the previous two decades, the death rate for this group had dropped by 2% each year. Middle-aged blacks and Hispanics continued to see a 2% annual decline between 1999 and 2013.
"We have come to expect mortality rates in middle age to continue to decline, which they did throughout most of the 20th century...it was really a surprise to see a sustained period when mortality rates actually increased (among middle-aged white Americans)," said Anne Case, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University.
Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
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For information.
Cheers.
Sriram
You never give up do you?
When are you going to post something negative about your country? Until you do so, stop bitching when westerners diss your posts!
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Hi everyone,
The death rate for middle aged white Americans seems to have gone up during the last 15 years......while it has gone down for other groups.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
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For decades, nearly all Americans -- in every age and racial group -- have seen decreases in death rates. But in the last nearly 15 years, middle-aged white Americans have been left out, according to a study.
Death rates for white Americans ages 45 to 54 climbed half a percent each year between 1999 and 2013, researchers at Princeton University found using mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the previous two decades, the death rate for this group had dropped by 2% each year. Middle-aged blacks and Hispanics continued to see a 2% annual decline between 1999 and 2013.
"We have come to expect mortality rates in middle age to continue to decline, which they did throughout most of the 20th century...it was really a surprise to see a sustained period when mortality rates actually increased (among middle-aged white Americans)," said Anne Case, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University.
Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
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For information.
Cheers.
Sriram
Give it a rest Sriram your threads are getting a bit of a bore!
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Hi everyone,
The death rate for middle aged white Americans seems to have gone up during the last 15 years......while it has gone down for other groups.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
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For decades, nearly all Americans -- in every age and racial group -- have seen decreases in death rates. But in the last nearly 15 years, middle-aged white Americans have been left out, according to a study.
Death rates for white Americans ages 45 to 54 climbed half a percent each year between 1999 and 2013, researchers at Princeton University found using mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the previous two decades, the death rate for this group had dropped by 2% each year. Middle-aged blacks and Hispanics continued to see a 2% annual decline between 1999 and 2013.
"We have come to expect mortality rates in middle age to continue to decline, which they did throughout most of the 20th century...it was really a surprise to see a sustained period when mortality rates actually increased (among middle-aged white Americans)," said Anne Case, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University.
Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
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For information.
Cheers.
Sriram
Give it a rest Sriram your threads are getting a bit of a bore!
Geting?
A bit?
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Hi everyone,
The death rate for middle aged white Americans seems to have gone up during the last 15 years......while it has gone down for other groups.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rate-middle-age-white-americans/index.html
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For decades, nearly all Americans -- in every age and racial group -- have seen decreases in death rates. But in the last nearly 15 years, middle-aged white Americans have been left out, according to a study.
Death rates for white Americans ages 45 to 54 climbed half a percent each year between 1999 and 2013, researchers at Princeton University found using mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In the previous two decades, the death rate for this group had dropped by 2% each year. Middle-aged blacks and Hispanics continued to see a 2% annual decline between 1999 and 2013.
"We have come to expect mortality rates in middle age to continue to decline, which they did throughout most of the 20th century...it was really a surprise to see a sustained period when mortality rates actually increased (among middle-aged white Americans)," said Anne Case, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University.
Deaths related to drugs, alcohol, suicide and liver disease are the cause of the increase, researchers said.
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For information.
Cheers.
Sriram
Give it a rest Sriram your threads are getting a bit of a bore!
Geting?
A bit?
I was trying to be polite! ;D
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It's an interesting post. I don't think it makes a specific negative point about the 'west'. I think people are rearing their own prejudices about Sriram into that.
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It's an interesting post. I don't think it makes a specific negative point about the 'west'. I think people are rearing their own prejudices about Sriram into that.
Beat me to it.
O.
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I wonder if there is something related to the question of standard of living being relatively flat for that group and no longer improving. For non Caucasians their standards are still likely to be improving due to better, even if not equal, race equality.
There could be an element of a regression to a mean if there is some form of plateauing in the averages.
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It's an interesting post. I don't think it makes a specific negative point about the 'west'. I think people are rearing their own prejudices about Sriram into that.
It refers to "whites" - is that not sufficiently "West"?
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The USA is a place where consumption rules. And this applies as much to food as to anything else.
The son of my former next door neighbour - a teacher - went on a year's exchange to the USA and then decided to stay. When my neighbour visited him she found that he had put on considerable weight.
She found it strange that he and his new wife (also built on a heroic scale) never did any cooking. They ate virtually all their meals, including breakfast, in restaurants (cafes, diners ... you name it). She said that usually the portions were large - far too large for her - but they ate every morsel.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:
More than one-third (34.9% or 78.6 million) of U.S. adults are obese.
Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer, some of the leading causes of preventable death.
The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the U.S. was $147 billion in 2008 U.S. dollars; the medical costs for people who are obese were $1,429 higher than those of normal weight.
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Among non-Hispanic black and Mexican-American men, those with higher incomes are more likely to have obesity than those with low income.
Higher income women are less likely to have obesity than low-income women.
There is no significant relationship between obesity and education among men. Among women, however, there is a trend—those with college degrees are less likely to have obesity compared with less educated women.
In many places in the world people are dying from starvation. In the USA they are dying, more slowly, from gluttony.
But it is not a Whites only phenomenon.
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So you regard the black and Hispanic population of the U.S. whose death rates are improving as not part of the West? That's a bit odd.
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Are you asking me, NS?
The CDC report also states:
Non-Hispanic blacks have the highest age-adjusted rates of obesity (47.8%) followed by Hispanics (42.5%), non-Hispanic whites (32.6%), and non-Hispanic Asians (10.8%)
Obesity is higher among middle age adults, 40-59 years old (39.5%) than among younger adults, age 20-39 (30.3%) or adults over 60 or above (35.4%) adults.
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Are you asking me, NS?
The CDC report also states:
Non-Hispanic blacks have the highest age-adjusted rates of obesity (47.8%) followed by Hispanics (42.5%), non-Hispanic whites (32.6%), and non-Hispanic Asians (10.8%)
Obesity is higher among middle age adults, 40-59 years old (39.5%) than among younger adults, age 20-39 (30.3%) or adults over 60 or above (35.4%) adults.
No, I was replying to Owlswing.
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So you regard the black and Hispanic population of the U.S. whose death rates are improving as not part of the West? That's a bit odd.
They are improving, therefore Sririam's OP title eexcludes them.
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Yes, I know but how mentioning whites which the report does make it anti 'the West'?
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It's an interesting post. I don't think it makes a specific negative point about the 'west'. I think people are rearing their own prejudices about Sriram into that.
It refers to "whites" - is that not sufficiently "West"?
I suppose it depends on what you regard as the 'West', Matt. For some, the 'West' is a synonym for the developed world, regardless of skin colour; for others it refers specifically to Europe and N. America; for others it is used to refer to the 'Christian' nations of the world.
At the same time, from what I understand from American friends, the term 'white' is often a shortening of 'white trash' - those Caucasian Americans who live in the depths of poverty and often addictions.
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I wonder Sriram have you looked into the average age of deaths in the differing casts of people in India?
ippy
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I wonder Sriram have you looked into the average age of deaths in the differing casts of people in India?
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That could be pretty difficult, ippy, as different Indian states have different levels of recording of such stats. Anyone trying to do so might have to work at the lower levels or district or even locality.
By the way, they are 'castes' rather than 'casts'.
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I wonder Sriram have you looked into the average age of deaths in the differing casts of people in India?
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That could be pretty difficult, ippy, as different Indian states have different levels of recording of such stats. Anyone trying to do so might have to work at the lower levels or district or even locality.
By the way, they are 'castes' rather than 'casts'.
So it could be done then, even if difficult?
ippy
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So it could be done then, even if difficult?
My experience of life in India and the sub-continent is 'perhaps', ippy. Births and deaths are often not officially recorded in rural areas, let alone ages of and reasons for death.
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So it could be done then, even if difficult?
My experience of life in India and the sub-continent is 'perhaps', ippy. Births and deaths are often not officially recorded in rural areas, let alone ages of and reasons for death.
Well, the caste system is being useful to DNA research, those doing the work in this area seem to be going forward so?
ippy
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Well, the caste system is being useful to DNA research, those doing the work in this area seem to be going forward so?
Not sure what you are referring to. Do you have a reference? That said, caste is often locational - especially in the case of lower and non-caste people - so doesn't impact on the recording of births and deaths.
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Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?! This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof. Thanks.
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Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?! This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof. Thanks.
Once again, Sririam, you are happy to discuss the deficiencies of the US and UK but refuse to discuss similar deficiencies in your own country!
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How is Sriram's post raising anything about deficiencies in the West? what the stats are for the caste system have no relevance to the topic.
I disagree with Sriram on nearly everything buy the behaviour on this thread to him is just a bunch of prejudiced drivel.
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How is Sriram's post raising anything about deficiencies in the West? what the stats are for the caste system have no relevance to the topic.
I disagree with Sriram on nearly everything buy the behaviour on this thread to him is just a bunch of prejudiced drivel.
As is your right, please allow me the same consideration for my views of his posts.
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From the CNN article:
What might explain the change in death rate among middle-aged whites is this, Case said: Fewer economic opportunities, especially for those with less education, have led to more despair and worse health, and in turn more abuse of drugs and alcohol.
"We have a lot more work to do to pin down how much of this has to do with not having as many economic resources with just a high school degree," and how much of it is due to other factors, such as less secure pension plans, Case said.
The article talks only about the relative change in death rate within the racial groups, not comparing the actual death rates: There has always been a big difference in mortality rates for the different groups in the USA - but apparently education has been a bigger factor.
Maybe economic woes are now affecting the less educated white, who were previously protected from them?
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Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider. At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel. Thanks a lot. :)
Its more than trolling. Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise! ;) :D
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Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider. At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel. Thanks a lot. :)
Its more than trolling. Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise! ;) :D
Amongst any group of people there will be sub groups like white people's death rates in the US where there are no straight answers just as in India where currently there is a buzz with the caste system helping to open windows, by subtraction, on how DNA works, maybe the DNA could be a part of the whole, ding ding!
ippy
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Do mean it could be "part of the whole" with a "ding ding" to wake us up to the idea or do you mean you are talking about a "whole ding ding" whatever that is?
Honestly ippy, each of your passing posts make less and less sense! How is studying the caste system going to explain how DNA works? If anything, it may be the other way round - studying DNA may help us understand how the caste system has operated.
How is DNA any explanation for increasing "white" mortality in the USA?
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Do mean it could be "part of the whole" with a "ding ding" to wake us up to the idea or do you mean you are talking about a "whole ding ding" whatever that is?
Honestly ippy, each of your passing posts make less and less sense! How is studying the caste system going to explain how DNA works? If anything, it may be the other way round - studying DNA may help us understand how the caste system has operated.
How is DNA any explanation for increasing "white" mortality in the USA?
West Indians have a tendency to suffer with sickle cell, a blood disorder, it's a trade off it gives some protection against malaria but causes other ailments, a group disorder well known to be a tendency the Black West Indian group of people often have.
Find out where the DNA differs from those that do not have sickle cell, it helps to locate where it is in the human DNA chain and so with any other group that has interbreed for generations (like Indian caste groups), and then have their own health problems peculiar to their group because of interbreeding and on and on.
I thought it was obvious without having to explain, that's why I didn't make a meal of it.
ippy
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How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?
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Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider. At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel. Thanks a lot. :)
Its more than trolling. Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise! ;) :D
If you compare yourself to Tom Cruise you are even more arrogant than I thought. Most of the "trolling" he gets is becasue of his attachment to Scientology.
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How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?
When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.
That's it that's your lot.
ippy
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How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?
When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.
That's it that's your lot.
ippy
Eh? What you seem to be implying, though why you want to be gnomic I have no idea, is that there is a specific genetic mutation which was previously beneficial in some way, that now is leading to a change indirection death rates such that having increased it is now a drag back? That makes no sense unless you factor in some additional change in the environment as what would happen is a flattening of the trend not a reversal.
Do you want to show your working here because otherwise it's coming across as if you don't really understand what you are talking about?
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How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?
When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.
That's it that's your lot.
ippy
Eh? What you seem to be implying, though why you want to be gnomic I have no idea, is that there is a specific genetic mutation which was previously beneficial in some way, that now is leading to a change indirection death rates such that having increased it is now a drag back? That makes no sense unless you factor in some additional change in the environment as what would happen is a flattening of the trend not a reversal.
Do you want to show your working here because otherwise it's coming across as if you don't really understand what you are talking about?
Just read back through my posts on this subject, your missing something; if you think not, you tell me what you think I mean.
ippy
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.
ippy
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.
ippy
So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.
ippy
So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?
Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?
Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?
ippy
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.
ippy
So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?
Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?
Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?
ippy
My reading of your posts is:
A genetic mutation, like sickle cell, may explain the reversal in death rates discussed in the OP.
I have simply asked you to explain how you see that as working.
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Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?! This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof. Thanks.
Hi Sri, I was trying to reduce the impact of ippy's and some others' posts. As for the issue as regards the US, I'm not sure that the majority of us are in a position to comment on them since very few of us live there. We can quote stats we gather from the net, we can even quote reports and studies - but without actually being part of a culture - it can be difficult to be sure of the accuracy of such things.
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Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?! This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof. Thanks.
Hi Sri, I was trying to reduce the impact of ippy's and some others' posts. As for the issue as regards the US, I'm not sure that the majority of us are in a position to comment on them since very few of us live there. We can quote stats we gather from the net, we can even quote reports and studies - but without actually being part of a culture - it can be difficult to be sure of the accuracy of such things.
Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?
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Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?
How often do you trust American critiques of British society, NS?
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I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.
Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?
You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.
ippy
So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?
Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?
Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?
ippy
My reading of your posts is:
A genetic mutation, like sickle cell, may explain the reversal in death rates discussed in the OP.
I have simply asked you to explain how you see that as working.
Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving genetic research a boost as you can immagine.
I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.
I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.
Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?
ippy
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Well, ippy it seems we are still wondering what you are on about.
Obviously some groups have genetic disorders, I have not come across any that have been associated with (in your opinion) "inbred" Indian castes - and certainly don't see how this could "boost" DNA research.
Of-course I fully understand how DNA research can help explain and work with known disorders, such as sickle cell anemia - however this has absolutely no relation to the "white" deaths by substance abuse and suicide that this thread is about.
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Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving genetic research a boost as you can immagine.
I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.
I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.
Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?
ippy
Nope, that doesn't seem to help. My reading of Udayana's posts is that they understand the concept of closed groups - just not the relevance to the OP in terms of an explanation. What is the relevance to the OP of the caste suytem in India and any genetic effects of it?
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Also, I must point out although it is off-topic, that sickle cell anemia has nothing to do with "in-breeding" either.
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Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?
How often do you trust American critiques of British society, NS?
This is about scienific reearch. not 'critiques'. You do understand the concept of 'disinterested'?
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Also, I must point out although it is off-topic, that sickle cell anemia has nothing to do with "in-breeding" either.
Good point
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Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving genetic research a boost as you can immagine.
I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.
I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.
Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?
ippy
Nope, that doesn't seem to help. My reading of Udayana's posts is that they understand the concept of closed groups - just not the relevance to the OP in terms of an explanation. What is the relevance to the OP of the caste suytem in India and any genetic effects of it?
Do you often have trouble understanding things?
ippy
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Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving genetic research a boost as you can immagine.
I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.
I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.
Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?
ippy
Nope, that doesn't seem to help. My reading of Udayana's posts is that they understand the concept of closed groups - just not the relevance to the OP in terms of an explanation. What is the relevance to the OP of the caste suytem in India and any genetic effects of it?
Do you often have trouble understanding things?
ippy
Only when people refuse to answer relevant questions about what they are trying to say. Are you often this evasive?
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The study given in the OP is for the US. I don't know if any such study has been conducted for the UK. The culture and lifestyle being very similar it is possible that a similar trend is present in the UK also.
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The study given in the OP is for the US. I don't know if any such study has been conducted for the UK. The culture and lifestyle being very similar it is possible that a similar trend is present in the UK also.
I would have to disagree.
The big difference between the US and the UK is food intake. It has been commented upon quite frequently by friends who have returned from the US that the size of portions, in places like McDonald's, in the US is markedly larger than the UK and the problem of morbid obesity in the US, with its accompanying health problems, is far greater than in the UK.
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Yes, people in the US are much more likely to eat out on a daily basis and the portions are usually huge. And they allow far more in the way of food made with artificial ingredients which probably factors in too.
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It is worth reading the article properly - a pdf of the study itself is also available from PNAS.
The rise in mortality is not reflected in Europe, and is not diet related. It is related to increased drug and alcohol use. There is a high use of prescription painkillers by whites with lower educational achievements, and far higher proportion of imported heroin (eg from Mexico) is being sold to the white population, rather than the black or hispanic, than in the past.
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Should also say (though I probably mentioned before) even with the rise, figures for the US "white" population are still generally better than for other groups.