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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Muslim Topic => Topic started by: Bubbles on November 19, 2015, 07:48:06 AM
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We're just as shocked' - Muslim messages going viral
Muslims around the world have been uploading videos and messages to condemn the attacks in the French capital.
As a clear picture emerged of the multiple attacks in Paris on Friday night, more than 90,000 people, many of them Muslim, revived the hashtag "Not in my name" which first emerged last year to denounce extremism that had been justified in the name of Islam. Hundreds of thousands have also used the tag "Muslims Are Not Terrorists".
But beyond this there were many personal messages from different parts of the world. Here are a few.
Pakistanis say: "We're just as shocked and horrified"
In a viral video from Pakistan, five young men say that they are not going to be "apologetic" about the Paris attacks and "cannot be held responsible for a few deranged individuals who somehow claim to be like us". They explain how they are no different from people elsewhere in the world: they get annoyed when they don't get their morning coffee and "the only thing they slice and roast is a gooooood piece of juicy steak".
But as John Lennon's Imagine plays in the background, they add in all seriousness: "We're the same people as you. We have the same fundamental problems as you have. We have the same hopes, dreams and ambitions as you." They say they can understand what the French are going through - last year, 132 schoolchildren were killed by the Taliban in Pakistan, prompting an outpouring of outrage and sorrow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34858514
Thought it was important to post before someone said they hadn't seen any Muslims protesting about the Paris incident.
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These Muslims who say 'not in our name or our religion' either have never read the WHOLE Quran, in context or otherwise, or ignore parts of it despite Islam's claim to be a 'complete religion' meaning it must ALL be accepted.
One need only read, FROM respected Islamic sources, the antics of THEIR so-called prophet, although he never actually prophesied ANYTHING, around the Middle East.
IS are just copying him & following his example of killing & destroying all non-Islamic peoples & cultures along his path. That or pay the Jizya tax forced on ALL NON-Muslims under Muslim law.
Muslims should NOT be at all surprised at IS being 'more' Muslim than they are !!!!!
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These Muslims who say 'not in our name or our religion' either have never read the WHOLE Quran, in context or otherwise, or ignore parts of it despite Islam's claim to be a 'complete religion' meaning it must ALL be accepted.
One need only read, FROM respected Islamic sources, the antics of THEIR so-called prophet, although he never actually prophesied ANYTHING, around the Middle East.
IS are just copying him & following his example of killing & destroying all non-Islamic peoples & cultures along his path. That or pay the Jizya tax forced on ALL NON-Muslims under Muslim law.
Muslims should NOT be at all surprised at IS being 'more' Muslim than they are !!!!!
More personal interpretations and vague generalisations from Nick, the non-Muslim, telling Muslims about how the Quran should be interpreted or what Islam is or what Muslims should believe about Prophet Mohamed ::)
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You really do have NO idea about what you've let yourself into, have you ?!?!!?!?!??!
I've read several translations of The Quran, have you? I've talked with Muslims for decades, have you? I've had Muslim friends for years, have you?
Nothing vague about what I'M posting !!!!
So, ONCE AGAIN, sweet F. A. to add to the conversation ?!!?!?
Oh Dear ?!!?!?
I totally 'get' Islam which is precisely why I'm NOT a Muslim !!!!
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Here's some links you might like to check out - if you dare ?!?!?!?
MWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
http://schnellmann.org/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world.html
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ultimate_goal.htm
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7579.0
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/89-other-authors/326-islams-working-to-world-domination.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message261438/pg1?disclaimer=1
These will do for now..... Happy reading !!!
Nick
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You really do have NO idea about what you've let yourself into, have you ?!?!!?!?!??!
I've read several translations of The Quran, have you? I've talked with Muslims for decades, have you? I've had Muslim friends for years, have you?
Nothing vague about what I'M posting !!!!
So, ONCE AGAIN, sweet F. A. to add to the conversation ?!!?!?
Oh Dear ?!!?!?
I totally 'get' Islam which is precisely why I'm NOT a Muslim !!!!
Yawn - more of your vague assertions.
Wow - really - you've talked to Muslims for decades - was that every day, 24 hours a day, in-depth theological discussions?
Given the quality of some of your posts on here, very doubtful you have the intelligence to comprehend or analyse the few bits you might have read or discussed with the odd Muslim.
I've been a Muslim for 21 years. So yes I've had Muslim friends for years, prayed with them, fasted with them, gone on Hajj with them, gone to the mosque with them, discussed Islam with them.
But of course from your stunted perspective none of them had any idea what they had got themselves into and only you and people who agree with you have the real low-down on all things Islam ::)
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BTW
Here's some links you might like to check out - if you dare ?!?!?!?
MWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
http://schnellmann.org/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world.html
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ultimate_goal.htm
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7579.0
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/89-other-authors/326-islams-working-to-world-domination.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message261438/pg1?disclaimer=1
These will do for now..... Happy reading !!!
Nick...
Have you taken the trouble to check these links, as to who is responsible, and what their credentials are? Or have you, lazily, just plucked a few out of the Net, without knowing a witch's waddle what you're about?
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While I agree with the sentiment, it always seems like the "not in my name" people are more concerned about themselves than the victims. "Don't hate me, don't blame me, me".
What's needed is some Christian-style soul-searching so they can arrive at a position of: "so why are my affiliates doing what they're doing, and what part am I playing in it?".
I've never thought Islamic extremism begins and ends with violence, I think it begins with suppression of women and inevitably ends with male violence.
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Have you taken the trouble to check these links, as to who is responsible, and what their credentials are? Or have you, lazily, just plucked a few out of the Net, without knowing a witch's waddle what you're about?
And WHOSE side are you on then, clown ???? Certainly not Islam's. !?!?!!?
Have YOU bothered to check ANY of them yourself ??? NO I thought not !!
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As with premillennialists and Zionists, one of the things Muslims have got fundamentally wrong is their idea that certain places in the world are more holy than others. For example, they have to pray facing Mecca.
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As with premillennialists and Zionists, one of the things Muslims have got fundamentally wrong is their idea that certain places in the world are more holy than others. For example, they have to pray facing Mecca.
What about the Holy Land? Why's it called that?
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What about the Holy Land? Why's it called that?
I guess because in Judaism, Islam and Christianity it has special significance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land
Moses and his journey is featured in all three religions , so it was considered a special holy place (that was the destination.)
It's a pity people don't show it by their behaviour >:(
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And WHOSE side are you on then, clown ???? Certainly not Islam's. !?!?!!?
Have YOU bothered to check ANY of them yourself ??? NO I thought not !!
Yes, I looked at a couple of them: but that was what you should have been doing. Did you?
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What about the Holy Land? Why's it called that?
Palestine was called that (Zechariah 2:12) because it was the land God gave Israel, and where God's sanctuary was located. However, the sanctuary was permanently desolated in AD 70. Now, the holy land is where Jesus is present on earth, ie where two or more are gathered in his name.
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So certain places in the world are more holy than others, according to you, contrary to what you said earlier?
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Palestine was called that (Zechariah 2:12) because it was the land God gave Israel, and where God's sanctuary was located. However, the sanctuary was permanently desolated in AD 70. Now, the holy land is where Jesus is present on earth, ie where two or more are gathered in his name.
Where two or more are gathered in his name, are those places more holy than others?
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These Muslims who say 'not in our name or our religion' either have never read the WHOLE Quran, in context or otherwise, or ignore parts of it despite Islam's claim to be a 'complete religion' meaning it must ALL be accepted.
One need only read, FROM respected Islamic sources, the antics of THEIR so-called prophet, although he never actually prophesied ANYTHING, around the Middle East.
IS are just copying him & following his example of killing & destroying all non-Islamic peoples & cultures along his path. That or pay the Jizya tax forced on ALL NON-Muslims under Muslim law.
Muslims should NOT be at all surprised at IS being 'more' Muslim than they are !!!!!
I do think all religions are open to interpretation, you can't say every Muslim is like that. People make a religion fit their bias.
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So certain places in the world are more holy than others, according to you, contrary to what you said earlier?
No. The people themselves are holy, because Jesus is within them by his spirit.
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No. The people themselves are holy, because Jesus is within them by his spirit.
So if it's the people who are holy, it shouldn't be called the Holy Land, then (the word land being incorrect).
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So if it's the people who are holy, it shouldn't be called the Holy Land, then (the word land being incorrect).
Not any longer. The holy land is the Church.
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I always wondered where the phrase "ploughing your wife " came from ::)
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I always wondered where the phrase "ploughing your wife " came from ::)
Moving swiftly on ...
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Yes, I looked at a couple of them: but that was what you should have been doing. Did you?
I looked at them all & there were many more too.
What's your point, please?
Nick
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I looked at them all & there were many more too.
What's your point, please?
Nick
Things like Islam watch are biased and have an agenda, so don't reflect the true picture.
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Yes True but aren't most if not nearly ALL things like this biased?
Also there's more than one link there !!!! ;)