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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on November 27, 2015, 05:52:06 AM
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Hi everyone,
Here is an article about demographic changes in the US.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/24/opinions/liu-race-poll/index.html
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....the number of Americans who say racism is a big problem has jumped significantly since 2011.
And beneath them all is a deep tectonic shift: whiteness and Americanness are at long last delinking. This will be painful in the short term, especially for whites. The long term depends on how all of us respond to pain.
From the origins of our country, to be white was to be presumed American and to be American was to be presumed white.
....things are now changing, rapidly and inexorably. A majority of babies born in the United States are now of non-European descent. In 25 years, America will be majority people of color. And this demographic revolution is creating simultaneous surges of hopefulness and anxiety...
You can sense this flux in three key findings from the new poll: about the American Dream, institutional racism and white privilege.
Most white Americans surveyed believe they will do worse than their parents. But strikingly, most African Americans, especially younger ones, now feel they have a better chance of achieving the American Dream than their parents did.
... Whites, by a two-to-one margin, believe racism is a problem of bad individuals rather than biased institutions. Blacks and Hispanics are far more divided on the question.
Most whites surveyed admitted that being white has been an advantage for them socially and economically. That must change. It is starting to.
Latinos are now the largest group of color in America. Asian Americans are the fastest-growing immigrant group, and there are burgeoning numbers of mixed-race Americans.
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Some trends that may also be relevant to Europe in the future.
For information.
Sriram
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I don't see there being a huge explosion of the Hispanic population in Europe any time in the future. As for "People of colour" a large number of Hispanics identify as "white", they have no more "colour" than Mediterranean Europeans, in some cases they are paler.
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It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for threads like this one.
We're all members of the human race, but there's some of us that are still far better looking than a lot of the others.
ippy
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It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for threads like this one.
We're all members of the human race, but some of us that are still far better looking than a lot of the others.
ippy
I just know you had me in mind when you said that! :)
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Increased racial tensions in the US... and many people are blaming....Obama!!
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/obama-race-cnn-kff-poll/index.html
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Yep, thanks President Obama. You ran for office vowing to unite us, but instead you gave us race-baiting, race riots and Black Lives Matter. You turned the promise of a post-racial era into one of the most racial periods in American history.
At least, that's the standard Obama critique that the viral Cheetos GIF mocks with its sarcastic caption.
Barack Obama is indeed seen as one of the most polarizing presidents in American history, according to numerous polls. Much of that polarization revolves around race. The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned "all the demons of American racism ... from the sewer."
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Obama...really??!! How can the President be held responsible for the racial tensions?
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Increased racial tensions in the US... and many people are blaming....Obama!!
http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/obama-race-cnn-kff-poll/index.html
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Yep, thanks President Obama. You ran for office vowing to unite us, but instead you gave us race-baiting, race riots and Black Lives Matter. You turned the promise of a post-racial era into one of the most racial periods in American history.
At least, that's the standard Obama critique that the viral Cheetos GIF mocks with its sarcastic caption.
Barack Obama is indeed seen as one of the most polarizing presidents in American history, according to numerous polls. Much of that polarization revolves around race. The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned "all the demons of American racism ... from the sewer."
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Obama...really??!! How can the President be held responsible for the racial tensions?
Is it cos he is black?
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Is it cos he is black?
Is he is, or is he ain't?
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I just know you had me in mind when you said that! :)
I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.
ippy
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I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.
ippy
So harsh! I would never have thought it of you!
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I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.
ippy
So harsh! I would never have thought it of you!
Pah, if you think I can't deal with jelosy.
ippy
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Pah, if you think I can't deal with jelosy.
ippy
Not really sure what that is! ;)
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It goes away when they're all mixed-race.
The last bastion of whitedom will be the white trash. By then, it'll be unfashionable to be white and all the other whites will be going to tanning booths and having their hair blackened.
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Lots of great things in 'whites'. They have been very adventurous, organised, rational.....which is why they were such great explorers, scientists and engineers. Great qualities that have made the world more civilized, organised and orderly. They are also a better looking race than others. It'll be a pity if they 'disappear'.
Maintaining some amount of racial purity is important IMO....which is not the same as discriminating against others, let me add.
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More bollocks! sheesh... !
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Lots of great things in 'whites'. They have been very adventurous, organised, rational.....which is why they were such great explorers, scientists and engineers. Great qualities that have made the world more civilized, organised and orderly. They are also a better looking race than others. It'll be a pity if they 'disappear'.
It's only a recent and temporary aberration. I read a book which explained the advance of Europe in terms of uniquely complex geology.Maintaining some amount of racial purity is important IMO....which is not the same as discriminating against others, let me add.
There isn't any racial purity. There were no original pure races. We're a common stock that was starting to diverge, but now it won't. Like stray mongrels. They may have had "pure-bred" ancestors, but those were only inbred dogs.
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Some simple charts showing the racial divide...
http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/24/news/economy/blacks-whites-inequality/index.html
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There isn't any racial purity. There were no original pure races. We're a common stock that was starting to diverge, but now it won't. Like stray mongrels. They may have had "pure-bred" ancestors, but those were only inbred dogs.
That analogy does not work. The ancestors of dogs were wolves.
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It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for threads like this one.
Whilst I'd agree with the first part of this quote, I think that threads like this are important because of the historical assumption and understandings that many people still hold. For instance, here in the UK, we are constantly being told that we were, even if we aren't any longer, a "Christian country". You, ippy, are one of the regular promoters of such an understanding.
I think that many Christians and other people of faith are beginning to understand that such a phrase is a misnomer. Religious belief, much like political belief, is firstly individual, and only secondly communal. It is the individuals that make up the community; it isn't something that can be imposed on individuals by community/society, however many laws one might have to this effect.
I wonder when the likes of you will begin to realise this and appreciate that one can't impose a secular way of thinking on people; they can only accept it once it has any relevance to their lives.
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Whilst I'd agree with the first part of this quote, I think that threads like this are important because of the historical assumption and understandings that many people still hold. For instance, here in the UK, we are constantly being told that we were, even if we aren't any longer, a "Christian country". You, ippy, are one of the regular promoters of such an understanding.
I think that many Christians and other people of faith are beginning to understand that such a phrase is a misnomer. Religious belief, much like political belief, is firstly individual, and only secondly communal. It is the individuals that make up the community; it isn't something that can be imposed on individuals by community/society, however many laws one might have to this effect.
I wonder when the likes of you will begin to realise this and appreciate that one can't impose a secular way of thinking on people; they can only accept it once it has any relevance to their lives.
Only just seen this post of yours Hope, my first thought was I wonder what it must be living life and in parallel having such major misunderstandings about it.
You still haven't got secularism?
It's no good me trying to explain, you'd only twist and turn yourself inside out, probably because your religious leaders have told you it's no good, well they would do, trouble is you can't see through their reasoning.
Don't ask me to explain my post to you, you wouldn't let yourself understand anyway, can't see if I tried to explain, it would be worth the effort.
ippy
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Only just seen this post of yours Hope, my first thought was I wonder what it must be living life and in parallel having such major misunderstandings about it.
Well, since I'm noit you, I'm afraid I can't answer those questions.
You still haven't got secularism?
Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child. I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it.
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Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child. I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it.
Means nothing - I was brought up with cricket as a child. Still don't understand it.
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Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child. I think I understand it pretty well
No, I don't think.you do.
For all I know you may be referring to active atheism or passive agnosticism/ignosticism or something like that, but none of those things are inherent to secularism, some of whose staunchest defenders are religious people - because they understand it.
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Means nothing - I was brought up with cricket as a child. Still don't understand it.
Really? Yet you have opinions on all kinds of subjects, far more "intellectual" than cricket; but you cannot understand what is basically a very simple game. It's because you aren't interested, and so haven't tried.
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Really? Yet you have opinions on all kinds of subjects, far more "intellectual" than cricket; but you cannot understand what is basically a very simple game. It's because you aren't interested, and so haven't tried.
Take a chill pill Ant.
I was merely making a point about assertion - it proves nothing to say I understand "x" because it's been around all the time I've been alive. you have to demonstrate that you understand it.
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Take a chill pill Ant.
I was merely making a point about assertion - it proves nothing to say I understand "x" because it's been around all the time I've been alive. you have to demonstrate that you understand it.
Kindly don't use the blessed game in dismissive terms.
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Kindly don't use the blessed game in dismissive terms.
Oh aye.
It surely is a bless-ed game.
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Oh aye.
It surely is a bless-ed game.
I won't have a word said against cricket, especially in Nottingham, home of the best Test ground in the world!
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I won't have a word said against cricket, especially in Nottingham, home of the best Test ground in the world!
I can't argue with the last part of your post ;)
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Well, since I'm noit you, I'm afraid I can't answer those questions.
Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child. I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it.
I noted this:
"Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child. I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it".
Well, like I said.
ippy
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Means nothing - I was brought up with cricket as a child. Still don't understand it.
That gives you enough to take your parent or parents to court for child abuse, just for administering the stimulants, neccessary to keep you awake in an area where cricket is being performed; these are the both acts of extream cruelty, wouldn't they be enough on their own?
ippy
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Lots of great things in 'whites'. They have been very adventurous, organised, rational.....which is why they were such great explorers, scientists and engineers. Great qualities that have made the world more civilized, organised and orderly. They are also a better looking race than others. It'll be a pity if they 'disappear'.
Maintaining some amount of racial purity is important IMO....which is not the same as discriminating against others, let me add.
look up Bells Curve Sriram, Wikki will do, then you can take it all in without any input from me, other than it was me that pointed you in that direction
Oh by the way if you haven't seen it allready, go back to Alex polizzi's Italian Islands last Thursdays episode, there's another referrence to DNA research where closed communities assist the research, because they are exclusive groups.(Channel 5 TV 2100 19-11-15).
In both cases you can make up your own mind and perhaps that huge brain of yours might learn something.
ippy
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Here is an article of today about growing support for ISIS in the US.
http://us.cnn.com/2015/12/01/politics/isis-in-united-states-research/index.html
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Support for ISIS in America has reached an unprecedented level with several thousand U.S.-based sympathizers and more terrorism-related arrests in 2015 than any year since 9/11, according to a report by George Washington University's Program on Extremism.
The report noted that the average ISIS recruit is male and around 26 years old. It identified at least 300 Americans who actively support ISIS on social media and spread propaganda on the terror group's behalf, with Twitter being the preferred platform. In addition to those supporters, the FBI has previously said that they also have 900 open investigations into homegrown violent extremists, a majority being ISIS related.
Following the attack on Paris by ISIS which left 130 dead, the FBI honed in on 100 of those 900 investigations and took "them up a notch," according to FBI Director James Comey. The hardest task for federal law enforcement tracking these threats is prioritizing those they think are actually at risk of carrying out similar attacks over those that only consume the propaganda.
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