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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on December 25, 2015, 09:43:19 AM
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Hi everyone,
I came across this article today about 7 Satanic precepts that the article claims are better than the Ten Commandments.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/23/seven-satanic-precepts-beat-ten-commandments-as-moral-guide/
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Why might members of the Satanic Temple find it easier than Christians to follow some teachings of Jesus? The answer lies in their sacred values and rules.
Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan. But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy—even with Satanists in the mix.
This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain. The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples. Christianists in Houston defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms. And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.
The Satanic Temple, which is based in Massachusetts but has approximately 20 chapters across the U.S., lists their seven fundamental tenets as the following:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.
The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.
Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.
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Any views?
Sriram
PS: I didn't want to post this on the Christian board on Christmas day! Not in the spirit of Christmas.
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Much better than the 10C
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Can't see anything there to quibble with.
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No problem with the tenets, don't see what they have to do with Satan though, or why Satan is even neccessary.
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No problem with the tenets, don't see what they have to do with Satan though, or why Satan is even neccessary.
My understanding of the religion is that Satanists see Satan not as a literal personalistic entity that somehow exists "out there" yet in some unobservable and undetectable way but as a symbolic representation not merely of revolt and rebellion but independence and free thought:
Lilith Starr heads the Seattle chapter of the Satanic Temple, which eschews all forms of supernaturalism but sees Satan as a timeless icon “for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness."
There was a Mr Milton who wrote a good deal about this some years ago. The Wiki page on Satanism states:
[It] is an atheistic philosophy that asserts the individual as his or her own god. Adherents instead see the character of Satan as an archetype of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, undefiled wisdom, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be motivated by a "dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things". He also serves as a conceptual framework and an external metaphorical projection of [the Satanists] highest personal potential. Satan (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן satan, meaning "adversary") is seen as a symbol of defiance to the conservatism of mainstream philosophical and religious currents, mainly the Abrahamic religions, that see this character as their antithesis.
Certainly the oddest Christmas Day I've had in a long while, this.
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Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan.
Probably the funniest and most inaccurate comment I've ever seen in any discussion about religion. Having it so early in the article made me laugh - almost out loud in the run up to Christmas 'lunch' now scheduled for 5pm!! It also made me wonder how many other inaccuracies the author would be including.
But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy ...
Ironically, the same sentence, but with the word 'humans' in place of 'Christians' is no less true. In fact, you could put just about any description of groups or organisations in that slot and it would be no less true.
This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain.
Can't comment on most these having not heard of them prior to this post, but they are not unlikely.
The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples.
Not sure what a reference to Mormonism is doing in a list of claimed Christian failings.
Christianists in Houston ...
What's a Christianist?
... defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms.
This was a concern expressed by a whole host of groups, religious and non-religious when the discussion took place in the UK a while back
And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.
Having read some of this research, I'm not sure that its as conclusive as this makes out.
Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.
The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.
Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.
The fact that the purpose of the the 10 Commandments isn't primarily to do with equanimity and that Jesus' teaching is based on the "primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy" - which are understood to come from that deity - make this last section of the article somewhat of a nonsense. The author again shows their lack of understanding.
Furthermore, I'm not sure that the
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Sriram,
April fools day falls on April 1st.
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Sriram,
April fools day falls on April 1st.
Happy birthday in advance.
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Probably the funniest and most inaccurate comment I've ever seen in any discussion about religion.
But if you read what it actually says, it's perfectly true.
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Hi everyone,
I came across this article today about 7 Satanic precepts that the article claims are better than the Ten Commandments.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/23/seven-satanic-precepts-beat-ten-commandments-as-moral-guide/
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Why might members of the Satanic Temple find it easier than Christians to follow some teachings of Jesus? The answer lies in their sacred values and rules.
Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan. But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy—even with Satanists in the mix.
This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain. The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples. Christianists in Houston defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms. And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.
The Satanic Temple, which is based in Massachusetts but has approximately 20 chapters across the U.S., lists their seven fundamental tenets as the following:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.
The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.
Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.
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Any views?
Sriram
PS: I didn't want to post this on the Christian board on Christmas day! Not in the spirit of Christmas.
Looking at your post and your comments,your head it seems is full of junk concerning Christianity,no longer comment much here as you all in general give the impression of headless chickens,could you help by telling/define what a christian is. And some advice try to learn about the subject you wish to discuss.
TW*
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. And some advice try to learn about the subject you wish to discuss.
TW*
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Geology?
Palaeontology?
Cosmology?
Oh, the irony!
Hohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohoho.
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The point is that the label and image are not important. Its the message that is important. What is called Satan is just another image instead of what some people call God. How does it matter?
The more universal the message is and the more it integrates different people and different cultures....the better it is.
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Who are the MANY Christians who would believe hat followers of Satan the most dangerous enemy?
Christian Children:-
Raise with hope and with the knowledge they are loved by God and others and that God cares for them.
Wonder where he got the research from well no figures representing how many children were taking part or how chosen.
A very weak and moot point.
Loudly jeering.
Goodness knows it represents nothing but the 15 minute fame and grab of the limelight.
Wanting to do different that will make a stir. Has absolutely no real weight or outlook when it comes to the reality OF True
Christianity. The truth shows that Satan and listening to him placed man where he is today.
The greatest liar and father of all lies is being worshipped. Funny, how the people can be seen as traitors to their own kind
and the true God who made them. One way tickets to hell are not really about love are they?
The encounter occurred during a Washington conflict over prayer after high school football games. Some students thought that if
Christians got to pray at midfield, others should have the same right,
and they invited members of the Satanic Temple to their game. That made some Christian students unhappy.
Who placed the idea there in the first instance?
A bit like Satan and Eve, isn't it.
Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set.
It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and
for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.
So far I have seen absolutely NOTHING that would make the 10 Commandments less in comparison to Satanic worship and belief.
Are we reading the same article? It seems true love does not follow the way of the evil one who cause mans destruction.
Jesus Christ lead by action. He loved, he healed, he told the truth and he shows God had a plan to rescue us from the
fate of the world brought about by Satan.
The truth is that man in his own strength can do much but he cannot get to heaven or eternal life. Satan relies on himself
and taking as many as he can with him. Christ dies to save people and bring them true love,peace and life
Satan, took everyone down the wrong path to death. Is the people writing the things really aware of true satanism and Christianity?
Appears they have sold their souls for a lie.
It matters not how you look at their 7 values compared to Gods 10 commandments.
The outcome does not change. The 7 leads to death whilst the 10 leads to life.
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
Reason... where was the reason and act when Satan spoke to Eve?
His reason was to destroy what God had created and given to mankind.
So let us have the type of reason it would be in accordance with.
Christ is clear that his reason is to bring man life and back to God.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions
Laws and institutions prevailed over. Isn't that what Hitler did. He saw it to be justice to kill the jews and ignore the laws
and institutions? It isn't as good as people think to believe in the above. It basically places itself about the law and does
not tell us what type of justice they are struggling for. What justice did it leave the jews when they ignored the laws and the
institutions?
God is clear that to offend against his laws results in hurting him and our fellowman. What evil does teachings behind the 7
tenets really hold?
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
What about the will of Satan? Isn't that persons body now on the road to destruction. Against their will because they do not see
lie behind these tenets and their master they now give everything over to...
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend.
To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Not right is it? The Jews... how was their freedom respected? A concentration camp, a gas chamber and experiments.
Freedom to offend clearly shown and peoples freedom in Austria was forgone to allow the willfull and unjustl exnroachment of the
Nazis to ensure the Jews forgo their own.
Not clever is it when you see the truth behind the thinking.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world.
We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
What scientific understanding of the world. And why scientific. If all the free will baloney about was to be believed.
Then they would not have this tenet to follow because it takes away the freedom to believe whatever we choose.
That is not faith it is becoming a robot.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
How can you judge the mistake? How do you rectify and resolve harm a rapist or murderer may have done if tenet 2 is allowed?
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice
should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
There is it the free for all... ALL of a sudden you see that when all else fails the written and spoken word goes out of the window
allowing the events of Hitler all over again and the will of the many to be ruled by the fear and beliefs of those few.
Gods laws are summed up in two:
1. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart mind, body and strength.
If you do this you will always be lead through wisdom, peace and truth.
2. Love your NEIGHBOUR as yourself.
The Lord giving clear direction with the good samaritan.
If you obey those two tenets you will never harm anyone in the way Satan and Hitler did.
What the two/10 commandments do is bring life and peace to mankind. No hidden agenda just the way to know our creator and others properly.
What those 7 tenets of the Satanic cult does it tell you that regardless of the law and beliefs that you can make wrong appear
right and do many evil things in the name of false right and wrong.
They will look and not see...
Christianity does not sell us anything it reveals the truth.
No hidden agenda and nothing which put's self above God and others.
But the 7 satanic tenets allows the many to be hurt by the ignoring of the laws and institutes which protect them.
The Satanic precepts are false and misleading. The commandments of God and the love of God through Christ are plain.
The first is man doing it, his own way and failing. The Commandments is doing it Gods way and succeeding.
Both have an ultimate end.
Gods way leads to life.
Satan leads to death.
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Dear old Satan can't be any worse than the psychopathic deity!
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Who are the MANY Christians who would believe hat followers of Satan the most dangerous enemy?
Christian Children:-
Raise with hope and with the knowledge they are loved by God and others and that God cares for them.
Wonder where he got the research from well no figures representing how many children were taking part or how chosen.
A very weak and moot point.
Loudly jeering.
Goodness knows it represents nothing but the 15 minute fame and grab of the limelight.
Wanting to do different that will make a stir. Has absolutely no real weight or outlook when it comes to the reality OF True
Christianity. The truth shows that Satan and listening to him placed man where he is today.
The greatest liar and father of all lies is being worshipped. Funny, how the people can be seen as traitors to their own kind
and the true God who made them. One way tickets to hell are not really about love are they?
Who placed the idea there in the first instance?
A bit like Satan and Eve, isn't it.
So far I have seen absolutely NOTHING that would make the 10 Commandments less in comparison to Satanic worship and belief.
Are we reading the same article? It seems true love does not follow the way of the evil one who cause mans destruction.
Jesus Christ lead by action. He loved, he healed, he told the truth and he shows God had a plan to rescue us from the
fate of the world brought about by Satan.
The truth is that man in his own strength can do much but he cannot get to heaven or eternal life. Satan relies on himself
and taking as many as he can with him. Christ dies to save people and bring them true love,peace and life
Satan, took everyone down the wrong path to death. Is the people writing the things really aware of true satanism and Christianity?
Appears they have sold their souls for a lie.
It matters not how you look at their 7 values compared to Gods 10 commandments.
The outcome does not change. The 7 leads to death whilst the 10 leads to life.
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
Reason... where was the reason and act when Satan spoke to Eve?
His reason was to destroy what God had created and given to mankind.
So let us have the type of reason it would be in accordance with.
Christ is clear that his reason is to bring man life and back to God.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions
Laws and institutions prevailed over. Isn't that what Hitler did. He saw it to be justice to kill the jews and ignore the laws
and institutions? It isn't as good as people think to believe in the above. It basically places itself about the law and does
not tell us what type of justice they are struggling for. What justice did it leave the jews when they ignored the laws and the
institutions?
God is clear that to offend against his laws results in hurting him and our fellowman. What evil does teachings behind the 7
tenets really hold?
What about the will of Satan? Isn't that persons body now on the road to destruction. Against their will because they do not see
lie behind these tenets and their master they now give everything over to...
Not right is it? The Jews... how was their freedom respected? A concentration camp, a gas chamber and experiments.
Freedom to offend clearly shown and peoples freedom in Austria was forgone to allow the willfull and unjustl exnroachment of the
Nazis to ensure the Jews forgo their own.
Not clever is it when you see the truth behind the thinking.
What scientific understanding of the world. And why scientific. If all the free will baloney about was to be believed.
Then they would not have this tenet to follow because it takes away the freedom to believe whatever we choose.
That is not faith it is becoming a robot.
How can you judge the mistake? How do you rectify and resolve harm a rapist or murderer may have done if tenet 2 is allowed?
There is it the free for all... ALL of a sudden you see that when all else fails the written and spoken word goes out of the window
allowing the events of Hitler all over again and the will of the many to be ruled by the fear and beliefs of those few.
Gods laws are summed up in two:
1. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart mind, body and strength.
If you do this you will always be lead through wisdom, peace and truth.
2. Love your NEIGHBOUR as yourself.
The Lord giving clear direction with the good samaritan.
If you obey those two tenets you will never harm anyone in the way Satan and Hitler did.
What the two/10 commandments do is bring life and peace to mankind. No hidden agenda just the way to know our creator and others properly.
What those 7 tenets of the Satanic cult does it tell you that regardless of the law and beliefs that you can make wrong appear
right and do many evil things in the name of false right and wrong.
They will look and not see...
Christianity does not sell us anything it reveals the truth.
No hidden agenda and nothing which put's self above God and others.
But the 7 satanic tenets allows the many to be hurt by the ignoring of the laws and institutes which protect them.
The Satanic precepts are false and misleading. The commandments of God and the love of God through Christ are plain.
The first is man doing it, his own way and failing. The Commandments is doing it Gods way and succeeding.
Both have an ultimate end.
Gods way leads to life.
Satan leads to death.
Admittedly I read it through quickly but this one has about 26 Sass.
Queen of the assertion.
ippy
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Admittedly I read it through quickly but this one has about 26 Sass.
Queen of the assertion.
ippy
You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.
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You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.
;D ;D ;D That is a good one coming from the queen of posts which she can't substantiate! ;D ;D ;D
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But if you read what it actually says, it's perfectly true.
In fact, RG, the reason I find it so amusuing is the inaccuracy of so many things that the author writes about Christianity, let alone the 10 Commandments. I suppose the other emotion it engenders is sadness at the lack of knowledge he exemplifies.
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Dear old Satan can't be any worse than the psychopathic deity!
He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.
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You know H, I quite liked you as you weren't as fascistic as some on here but you've just said a very stupid thing of which you know even LESS about than your own faith - I won't use the term truth because there's very little truth IN religion as it's mostly opinion & the mentality of the self server.
Nick
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You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.
When anyone asserts anything it's for the one asserting to supply the evidence that backs up their assertion.
You're the one doing the asserting, I'm not.
So Sass it's for you to supply the necessary; I suspect it'going to be another long silence and perhaps change of the subject, go on, surprise me Sass.
What no evidence? Never mind Sass.
ippy
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He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.
You might as well for the difference it'll make.
ippy
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In fact, RG, the reason I find it so amusuing is the inaccuracy of so many things that the author writes about Christianity, let alone the 10 Commandments. I suppose the other emotion it engenders is sadness at the lack of knowledge he exemplifies.
He?
Unless Valerie has become a unisex name the article was written by a woman - she's a psychologist based in Seattle. Still, speaks volumes about your attention to details.
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He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.
I don't know what you are trying to say....but to Hindus, Satan and Jehovah are just images as much as any of the others. Its all about dharma or righteous duties...and not about what image you worship.
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I don't know what you are trying to say....but to Hindus, Satan and Jehovah are just images as much as any of the others. Its all about dharma or righteous duties...and not about what image you worship.
Sriram-Ji
THIS is precisely WHY I wrote back as I did.
Some here just can't resist the urge to have a go at something they know sod all about.
Nick
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He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.
No other deity could be worse than the Biblical one, that would be impossible!
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In fact, RG, the reason I find it so amusuing is the inaccuracy of so many things that the author writes about Christianity, let alone the 10 Commandments. I suppose the other emotion it engenders is sadness at the lack of knowledge he exemplifies.
Belief in the reality of Satan has been described as one of the defining characteristics of evangelicalism. It's still common in America, and an important factor in public support for war-mongering.
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Belief in the reality of Satan has been described as one of the defining characteristics of evangelicalism. It's still common in America, and an important factor in public support for war-mongering.
Some military moron claimed to have seen the face of Satan in the billowing smoke from one of the burning Twin Towers on 9/11, didn't he?
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Some military moron claimed to have seen the face of Satan in the billowing smoke from one of the burning Twin Towers on 9/11, didn't he?
What a goon! ::)
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Interesting, a goon is somebody claiming to see something like a face in smoke or a face on a cheese burger, cookie, fireplace or on a Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket. Perfect! Oh wait a minute, the one seeing a face on the KFC bucket isn't a goon.
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No other deity could be worse than the Biblical one, that would be impossible!
Look up the Aztec God Tláloc, he was not very nice.
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Hi everyone,
I came across this article today about 7 Satanic precepts that the article claims are better than the Ten Commandments.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/23/seven-satanic-precepts-beat-ten-commandments-as-moral-guide/
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Why might members of the Satanic Temple find it easier than Christians to follow some teachings of Jesus? The answer lies in their sacred values and rules.
Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan. But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy—even with Satanists in the mix.
This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain. The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples. Christianists in Houston defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms. And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.
The Satanic Temple, which is based in Massachusetts but has approximately 20 chapters across the U.S., lists their seven fundamental tenets as the following:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.
The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.
Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.
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Any views?
Sriram
PS: I didn't want to post this on the Christian board on Christmas day! Not in the spirit of Christmas.
My view is that this is nothing more than cod philosophy.
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As a philosophy it seems pretty good to me. What's "cod" about it?
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Here ya go Shakey,
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cod+philosophy
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Here ya go Shakey,
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cod+philosophy
I was talking to the organ grinder not the monkey, on or off a rock.
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I was talking to the organ grinder not the monkey, on or off a rock.
Which ancestor of yours would that be? 8) ::)
Let's face it, Shakes, No one makes a monkey out of you better than yourself.. :P :-*
It is you who believes we all came from apes, isn't it? :o ::)
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Descending from an ape is far preferable to being created by that evil excrescence of a deity featured in the Bible!
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It is you who believes we all came from apes, isn't it? :o ::)
It's not an issue of belief but of demonstrable fact, actually.
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Which ancestor of yours would that be? 8) ::)
Let's face it, Shakes, No one makes a monkey out of you better than yourself.. :P :-*
It is you who believes we all came from apes, isn't it? :o ::)
The evidence is there to prove we are related to the apes, and every other form of life on this planet Sass , but there's no evidence that supports your idea of, what was it now? Oh yes you think there's something about and yes you refer to it as a god, or whatever that might be?
Where's the evidence that supports this god idea of yours Sassy?
Don't forget an assertion can't be used as evidence that in any way supports another assertion; I know you find it difficult to take that in, but you must do your best to do so.
Oh yes it doesn't matter how much text or scripture you offer up as evidence, don't forget no one has found any evidence that would support the mythical, magical or superstition base of your workshop manual, the one you insist on referring to as the bible and that means you can't use the bible as back up in any way as an evidential source of support for any of your godly ideas.
Once you manage to lift your workshop manual from it's mythical, magical, superstition base into the realms of reality, we would all be obliged to take it in, treat it with respect and learn everything we possibly could from it, but being realistic the chances of you or anyone else finding the said evidential base of your book isn't very likely Sass, is it?
This god idea of yours Sass, it's becoming more an more of a backwater of an idea on a daily basis, the realists are 49% of the UK population now, it was around about 30% realists a couple of years ago and there's no sign of the growth in realism slowing down.
I don't suppose there is much that you can say about that lot Sass only if the decline in religiosity keeps going at the present rate you'll become more and more lonely as time passes by, but I'll still write to you on the forum Sass, just so that you don't give up hope.
Kind regards,
ippy
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The evidence is there to prove we are related to the apes, and every other form of life on this planet Sass , but there's no evidence ...
as to exactly how we are related, ippy. Are we related by descent? Are we related by mutation? Are we related more sketchily by dint of being carbon-based? There are many different routes by which we could be related to apes, etc. but not all come down as straightforwardly as each other.
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Descending from an ape is far preferable to being created by that evil excrescence of a deity featured in the Bible!
You become more and more disbelievable every day, Floo. For one think, humanity could have ended up as pretty well anything under the evolutionary process (and may be related to some pretty horrendous evolutionary ancestors) - and secondly the 'evil excresence of a deity' that you refer to features in the Bible, but is certainly not the deity followed by the Jews or subsequently, Christians.
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as to exactly how we are related, ippy. Are we related by descent? Are we related by mutation? Are we related more sketchily by dint of being carbon-based? There are many different routes by which we could be related to apes, etc. but not all come down as straightforwardly as each other.
Bless me, what a farrago of half-heard, quarter-remembered and eighth-understand scientific ignorance.
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Hoppity,
as to exactly how we are related, ippy. Are we related by descent? Are we related by mutation? Are we related more sketchily by dint of being carbon-based? There are many different routes by which we could be related to apes, etc. but not all come down as straightforwardly as each other.
Not very bright. We are of course "related" by genes. We are apes (specifically we're "great apes", along with seven extant species in four genera: orang utans; Gorillas; the common chimpanzee and bonobos) that share a common ancestor.
As for the OP, take away the "satanist" nonsense and the code seems a lot better to me than the traditional ten commandments as a set of principles to live by. Certainly they seem better able to cover the glaring omissions in the "10 Cs", and to be less concerned with stupidities like worshipping graven images.
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Not very bright. We are of course "related" by genes. We are apes (specifically we're "great apes", along with seven extant species in four genera: orang utans; Gorillas; the common chimpanzee and bonobos) that share a common ancestor.
But we are also 'related by genes' to a number of other living organisms and not all of them animal. That was the poiint I was making - thyat genetic relationship doesn't necessarily put us in a direct line of descent.
As for the OP, take away the "satanist" nonsense and the code seems a lot better to me than the traditional ten commandments as a set of principles to live by. Certainly they seem better able to cover the glaring omissions in the "10 Cs", and to be less concerned with stupidities like worshipping graven images.
Which of the 10 Cs suggests that we should worship graven images, bhs?
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Hope,
Which of the 10 Cs suggests that we should worship graven images, bhs?
The second one, and it says not to worship them. What disaster would ensue if lots of people did that is anyone's guess, as is the reason for the author's concern with this issue rather than, say, the sexual abuse of children.
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as to exactly how we are related, ippy. Are we related by descent? Are we related by mutation? Are we related more sketchily by dint of being carbon-based? There are many different routes by which we could be related to apes, etc. but not all come down as straightforwardly as each other.
Your ignorance of this subject has really surprised me Hope.
It has been described in so many books Radio TV YouTube all sorts of places, where have you been?
If you haven't understood yet I can't see that it would be any good for me to try to explain it to you.
ippy
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Hope,
The second one, and it says not to worship them. What disaster would ensue if lots of people did that is anyone's guess, as is the reason for the author's concern with this issue rather than, say, the sexual abuse of children.
That, of course, assumes that sexual abuse of children occurred amongst a fairly small tribal group as the Jews were at the time. Perhaps it also reflected the belief that - if anthropology is to be believed - many of the cultures that did worship graven images also partook in abuse of children of this kind, often within that worship.
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Your ignorance of this subject has really surprised me Hope.
It has been described in so many books Radio TV YouTube all sorts of places, ...
Many of which, as I'm sure you're aware, give conflicting or 'competing' scientific information and ideas. That's 'where I've been'.
If you haven't understood yet I can't see that it would be any good for me to try to explain it to you.
I doubt whether your explanation would be any more definitive than many of these websites like to claim to be.
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Many of which, as I'm sure you're aware, give conflicting or 'competing' scientific information and ideas. That's 'where I've been'.
On the essentials of evolutionary theory? Such as?
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Hope,
That, of course, assumes that sexual abuse of children occurred amongst a fairly small tribal group as the Jews were at the time. Perhaps it also reflected the belief that - if anthropology is to be believed - many of the cultures that did worship graven images also partook in abuse of children of this kind, often within that worship.
It assumes no such thing. As I understand it, those who think the ten commandments to be "god given', "god inspired" or some such think them to be rules for all humanity and for all time, not just for a single tribal people in one small space and for a fairly brief period of time. Presumably this god would therefore had had the nous to frame them accordingly - unless that is you really think "Him" to have been that parochial?
Oh, and knock yourself out in finding a link between the worship of graven images and child abuse. And even if you ever could find one, why would this god of yours have assumed that all graven image worshippers were also child abusers, and why would "He" have used such a roundabout way of telling them that child abuse was a bad thing? Presumably any pederast daft enough to believe them would have thought, "OK, I'll knock off the graven image worship then but as this God seems so relaxed abut child abuse that must be fine and dandy".
If ever there were to be a Nobel prize for casuistry, you my friend would be well-advised to have your penguin suit pressed and your speech ready.
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Hope,
Many of which, as I'm sure you're aware, give conflicting or 'competing' scientific information and ideas. That's 'where I've been'.
That's flatly untrue. The great majority of evolutionary theory is well-understood, well-tested by experiments and well documented. Certainly for the purposes of the misunderstanding of it you posted earlier, the consensus among those who actually study the subject is overwhelming - the fact of common descent is clearly evidenced by the genetic code.
That's not to say that there aren't disagreements in important areas - famously about punctuated equilibrium for example - but it is to say that for the purpose of this conversation you're talking out of your hat.
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Hope,
That's flatly untrue. The great majority of evolutionary theory is well-understood, well-tested by experiments and well documented. Certainly for the purposes of the misunderstanding of it you posted earlier, the consensus among those who actually study the subject is overwhelming - the fact of common descent is clearly evidenced by the genetic code.
I'd love to know what he makes of chromosome 2 ...
That's not to say that there aren't disagreements in important areas - famously about punctuated equilibrium for example - but it is to say that for the purpose of this conversation you're talking out of your hat.
As beautifully expressed as ever.
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But we are also 'related by genes' to a number of other living organisms and not all of them animal.
We are related to all living organisms on this planet, the vast majority of them not animals.
That was the poiint I was making - thyat genetic relationship doesn't necessarily put us in a direct line of descent.
We are not in the direct line of descent of any other living species. However, we are more closely related to some species than others.
Which of the 10 Cs suggests that we should worship graven images, bhs?
None. However, one forbids it. But it's a bit odd that worshipping pictures of God is deemed worse than slavery and rape (neither of which are mentioned at all in the Ten Commandments).
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The Wikipedia article is very good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
It shows how slowly and reluctantly science has accepted the obvious biological facts about the place of humans and discarded the religious view of our specialness.
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The Wikipedia article is very good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
It shows how slowly and reluctantly science has accepted the obvious biological facts about the place of humans and discarded the religious view of our specialness.
The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).
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The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).
Oh dearie me ... how the human mind loves to kid itself with delusions of grandeur!
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The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).
You don't understand the anthropic principle. You haven't even specified which version of the anthropic version you're referring to for a start, since there are several.
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Sriram,
The Anthropic Principle seems to say that we are 'special'....or at least that Consciousness is meant to evolve .... and possibly even participates in the creation and evolution of the universe (PAP).
You have it backwards - it actually says the opposite of that. See Douglas Adams's puddle story for further details:
“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”
― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt