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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on January 09, 2016, 10:43:11 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-philip-hammond-condemned-by-rights-campaigners-for-excusing-mass-killings-a6802641.html
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Diplomacy is crazy, got to keep the Saudi regime happy if that place goes pop then it'll make IS look quite moderate.
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Diplomacy is crazy, got to keep the Saudi regime happy if that place goes pop then it'll make IS look quite moderate.
Which is fine as long as we never then cite a moral reason for doing anything.
ETA actually scrub that last bit, it's incorrect. We can continue to argue for some form of situational Felicific Calculus approach but in doing so we need to not cite absolute morals against others.
The problem with the we would get something worse than IS argument is that it is to an extent our support for SA and the regime that has got us IS in the first place.
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Which is fine as long as we never then cite a moral reason for doing anything.
ETA actually scrub that last bit, it's incorrect. We can continue to argue for some form of situational Felicific Calculus approach but in doing so we need to not cite absolute morals against others.
The problem with the we would get something worse than IS argument is that it is to an extent our support for SA and the regime that has got us IS in the first place.
I agree. We shouldn't be dealing with the Saudis. Neither should we be dealing with the US, Israel or Turkey. They're all behind the scenes pulling the strings.
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I agree. We shouldn't be dealing with the Saudis. Neither should we be dealing with the US, Israel or Turkey. They're all behind the scenes pulling the strings.
Whiuch "we"?
England/UK or Finland?
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I agree. We shouldn't be dealing with the Saudis. Neither should we be dealing with the US, Israel or Turkey. They're all behind the scenes pulling the strings.
Ah the Jewish capitalist Wahabist conspiracy.
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Ah the Jewish capitalist Wahabist conspiracy.
Something like that.
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Which is fine as long as we never then cite a moral reason for doing anything.
ETA actually scrub that last bit, it's incorrect. We can continue to argue for some form of situational Felicific Calculus approach but in doing so we need to not cite absolute morals against others.
The problem with the we would get something worse than IS argument is that it is to an extent our support for SA and the regime that has got us IS in the first place.
Not saying I agree with it, pretty clear Western foreign policy is 'if they are not a threat let em be'.
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Not saying I agree with it, pretty clear Western foreign policy is 'if they are not a threat let em be'.
Saddam wasn't a threat, neither was Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda and IS aren't significant ones but the extent that they are threats are because of places like SA
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Something like that.
You really do not recognise when you are having the urine extracted do you?
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You really do not recognise when you are having the urine extracted do you?
I saw it but I was dead serious. Behind ISIS is the CIA and Mossad. This has been covered up by the western media.
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Saddam wasn't a threat, neither was Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda and IS aren't significant ones but the extent that they are threats are because of places like SA
I agree but the powers that be have to have a war now and then for their ego.
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I saw it but I was dead serious. Behind ISIS is the CIA and Mossad. This has been covered up by the western media.
Citations required.
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I saw it but I was dead serious. Behind ISIS is the CIA and Mossad. This has been covered up by the western media.
You, Sir, have just made yourself a total laughing stock - even to the most die-hard conspiracy theorists!
If it were not for the fact that the Mods are trying to reduvce the amount of insults posted on here I would describe you more accurately!
IDIOT will do for now! The idea of Mossad supporting a murderous Islamic body is about as likely as Kim Jon-Un and Donald Trump being the bastard sons of Mother Teresa!
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Just try non-western media sources. RT is a good one. Anomymous has also digged up the dirt on the US and Israel.
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You, Sir, have just made yourself a total laughing stock - even to the most die-hard conspiracy theorists!
If it were not for the fact that the Mods are trying to reduvce the amount of insults posted on here I would describe you more accurately!
IDIOT will do for now! The idea of Mossad supporting a murderous Islamic body is about as likely as Kim Jon-Un and Donald Trump being the bastard sons of Mother Teresa!
You're the idiot. It's in Israel's interests to have a destabilised region. It takes the heat off them and they can go on building their greater Israel at the expense of the Palestinians.
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You're the idiot. It's in Israel's interests to have a destabilised region. It takes the heat off them and they can go on building their greater Israel at the expense of the Palestinians.
NURSE - he's out of bed again!
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NURSE - he's out of bed again!
You shouldn't blindly trust the western mainstream media. It is easily manipulated by the powers. Try occasionally looking to alternative sources.
http://www.trueactivist.com/this-is-huge-evidence-builds-linking-israel-turkey-to-isis/
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Saddam wasn't a threat, neither was Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda and IS aren't significant ones but the extent that they are threats are because of places like SA
IS sound like a threat to me, their last video said they were going to invade the UK and introduce their brand of sharia law. Given that there appear to be about a few hundred of their supporters living here, and people are still being arrested for planning suicide bombings, I find that very threatening.
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IS sound like a threat to me, their last video said they were going to invade the UK and introduce their brand of sharia law. Given that there appear to be about a few hundred of their supporters living here, and people are still being arrested for planning suicide bombings, I find that very threatening.
They are a threat insofar as they are likely to carry out terrorist attacks. But they aren't going to take over the country.
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They are a threat insofar as they are likely to carry out terrorist attacks. But they aren't going to take over the country.
I sincerely hope not!
IMO they are pretty stupid to make such claims.
I guess they want a fight.
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I sincerely hope not!
IMO they are pretty stupid to make such claims.
I guess they want a fight.
They want to scare us.
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You shouldn't blindly trust the western mainstream media. It is easily manipulated by the powers. Try occasionally looking to alternative sources.
http://www.trueactivist.com/this-is-huge-evidence-builds-linking-israel-turkey-to-isis/
You mean Conspiracy Theorist or (worldwide) Anti-Establishment sources.
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They want to scare us.
That is why they are called "terrorists"!
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You shouldn't blindly trust the western mainstream media. It is easily manipulated by the powers. Try occasionally looking to alternative sources.
http://www.trueactivist.com/this-is-huge-evidence-builds-linking-israel-turkey-to-isis/
And how trustworthy is this group, ad_o? Do they have a track record of confirmed and well-evidenced and supported claims? I ask as I've never heard of them.
I notice that, as soon as I open their site, I get interesting and somewhat suspicious adverts springing up all over the place. Don't generally deem that kind of site as in any way trustworthy.
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The Neo-Cons and Zionists love people like you.
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Critical thinkers and people who want to know what the information is, where it comes from and what their agenda is, you mean?
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Critical thinkers look beyond the mainstrean western media for alternative sources of news. Keep lapping up, by all means. That is what the Judaic-Masonic lodge wants.
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Critical thinkers look beyond the mainstrean western media for alternative sources of news. Keep lapping up, by all means. That is what the Judaic-Masonic lodge wants.
You really do come across not only as a credulous gimp but as an obvious anti-Semite.
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You really do come across not only as a credulous gimp but as an obvious anti-Semite.
Ah! Because I despise Zionism and see it as the cause of many of the world's problems, including most of what is going on in the Middle-East. But, whatever!
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Ah! Because I despise Zionism and see it as the cause of many of the world's problems, including most of what is going on in the Middle-East.
Because practically everything you've ever come out with in regard to Jews and Judaism is a trope straight from the anti-Semite's playbook.
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Because practically everything you've ever come out with in regard to Jews and Judaism is a trope straight from the anti-Semite's playbook.
Such as? That I believe Judaism to be an apostate sect and Zionism as problematic? This is manstream Christian belief.
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Such as? That I believe Judaism to be an apostate sect and Zionism as problematic?
Such as - as I've just said - every reference to Jews and Judaism I've ever see you make going back years in a variety of forums. Regarding a religion far, far older than your upstart offshoot as an apostate sect - you've actually got it the wrong way round, you'll find - certainly qualifies. As does the tedious repetition of the term 'Zionism.'
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Such as? That I believe Judaism to be an apostate sect and Zionism as problematic? This is manstream Christian belief.
No it is most certainly NOT "mainstream" Christian belief.
You come across more as a Nazi than an Orthodox Christian.
When a Christian like Hope starts to question your Christian credentials your entitlement to call yourself "maintream" Christian or, even, Christian of any stripe, is seriously in doubt.
I may have my differences with Hope on an awful lot of things but his deep belief in, and staunch adherence to, Chrstianity, "mainstream" Christianity, is, most assuredly, not one of them.
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Such as - as I've just said - every reference to Jews and Judaism I've ever see you make going back years. Regarding a religion far, far older than your upstart offshoot as an apostate sect - you've actually got it the wrong way round, you'll find - certainly qualifies. As does the tedious repetition of the term 'Zionism.'
You're a fool. From a Christian perspective Judaism is an apostate sect, for they put to death their own Lord and God. Zionism, the creation of the modern state of Israel including all of its dealings in the region is indeed abominable. It is the main reason why the whole region is a complete basketcase. It creates unstability to take yhe heat off itself.
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No it is most certainly NOT "mainstream" Christian belief.
You come across more as a Nazi than an Orthodox Christian.
When a Christian like Hope starts to question your Christian credentials your entitlement to call yourself "maintream" Christian or, even, Christian of any stripe, is seriously in doubt.
I may have my differences with Hope on an awful lot of things but his deep belief in, and staunch adherence to, Chrstianity, "mainstream" Christianity, is, most assuredly, not one of them.
Then you know fuck all. Don't be fooled by Evangelicals and a modernist pope who surrounds himself with rabbis. They do not represent two thousand years of Christianity.
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You're a fool.
Remember what I said the other day about irony?
From a Christian perspective Judaism is an apostate sect, for they put to death their own Lord and God.
So what? From the perspective of Judaism it's the other way round. Judaism's older, so they've got bragging rights on this one.
Zionism, the creation of the modern state of Israel including all of its dealings in the region is indeed abominable.
As anti-Semites are wont to say ... every five fucking minutes.
It is the main reason why the whole region is a complete basketcase.It creates unstability to take yhe heat off itself.
And where might your evidence for that be?
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Then you know fuck all. Don't be fooled by Evangelicals and a modernist pope who surrounds himself with rabbis. They do not represent two thousand years of Christianity.
Catholicism did when you were as big an obnoxious Catholic turd as you're now an obnoxious Orthodox turd. The batshit beliefs change every few years but the fundamental ugliness of character remains the same. Some of us remember, remember ;)
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Catholicism did when you were as big an obnoxious Catholic turd as you're now an obnoxious Orthodox turd. The batshit beliefs change every few years but the fundamental ugliness of character remains the same. Some of us remember, remember ;)
You know bugger all. And cncerning your earlier post, the descendants of Annas and Caiaphas (modern Judaism) are not the descendents of Abraham according to the promise but the Church, which is the one true Israel of God.
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*yawn* I know what I've read from your fingers - there's enough of it.
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*yawn* I know what I've read from your fingers - there's enough of it.
You read but you're unable to comprehend.
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Then you know fuck all. Don't be fooled by Evangelicals and a modernist pope who surrounds himself with rabbis. They do not represent two thousand years of Christianity.
ad_o, I'm not sure that the Orthodox underrstanding represents 2000 years of Christianity either. There are certainly a number of doctrinal areas that don't match Jesus' teachings, and this reflected in every denominational grouping.
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ad_o, I'm not sure that the Orthodox underrstanding represents 2000 years of Christianity either. There are certainly a number of doctrinal areas that don't match Jesus' teachings, and this reflected in every denominational grouping.
They match the teachings of Christ and his apostles in every way, for it comes from them.
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They match the teachings of Christ and his apostles in every way, for it comes from them.
Fucking Hell! And I thought that Sassy was a bible-bashing fool!
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You're a fool. From a Christian perspective Judaism is an apostate sect, for they put to death their own Lord and God. Zionism, the creation of the modern state of Israel including all of its dealings in the region is indeed abominable. It is the main reason why the whole region is a complete basketcase. It creates unstability to take yhe heat off itself.
Somehow the claim Christian was a Christian doesn't look so daft.
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Eh?
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Owlswing.... Ad-O is spot-on. You need to do some research. Take a look at the work of Eustace Mullins, and Henry Makow.
Hope.... this site may help:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881
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Owlswing.... Ad-O is spot-on. You need to do some research. Take a look at the work of Eustace Mullins, and Henry Makow.
Hope.... this site may help:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881
Come on, Sweet Pea - the Centre for Research on Globalisation?
The whole "Globalisation" thing is an anti-American-Corporate-World-Domination thing and is as much a conspiracy theory as all the rest of Ad-O's anti-Semetic anti-CIA rubbish!
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Come on, Sweet Pea - the Centre for Research on Globalisation?
The whole "Globalisation" thing is an anti-American-Corporate-World-Domination thing and is as much a conspiracy theory as all the rest of Ad-O's anti-Semetic anti-CIA rubbish!
Oh yeah! Because America and Israel would never get up to anything sinister for their own ends. You're a fool! They must love people like you.
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Oh yeah! Because America and Israel would never get up to anything sinister for their own ends. You're a fool! They must love people like you.
Just as the conspiracy theorists must love fools like you who swallow their anti-American, anti-semetic rubbish hook, line and sinker.
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Just as the conspiracy theorists must love fools like you who swallow their anti-American, anti-semetic rubbish hook, line and sinker.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. As I said, all you need to to is look to alternative media once in a while and you will find the evidence. In fact you don't even need to go alternative, just non-western. Try RT.
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Russian television? :o
U are kidding?
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Russian television? :o
U are kidding?
No. I'm not kidding. What makes you think western media is any less biased, any less manipulated?
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No. I'm not kidding. What makes you think western media is any less biased, any less manipulated?
On what basis do you think otherwise?
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On what basis do you think otherwise?
The Iraq war showed us that not only is the state and its security services willing to tell lies but also willing to manipulate the media to propogate those lies.
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The Iraq war showed us that not only is the state and its security services willing to tell lies but also willing to manipulate the media to propogate those lies.
To the same extent as Russia and its ilk?
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To the same extent as Russia and its ilk?
I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?
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I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?
Principally, I think, because Russia and the eastern block have a more Draconian approach to ruling their people.
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I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?
As I have said your anti-Amrican (= Americaphobia) and Nazi level anti-semitism ( = Jewphobia) show that you are a rabid conspiracy theorist who will believe absolutely anything anti-American and anti-semetic regardless of who publishes it.
Ye Gods - the Russians were executing pogroms agains the Jews before and after the November Revolution.
You are so blinded by your very obvious hatred of America, Americans and Jews that you would see a Boeing 747 if it was about to land on top of you!
I, for one, have no intention of wasting any more time trying to do a Jesus Christ and make the blind (you) see what is blatantly obvious to everyone else.
Inciidentally - my antecedants were Jewish, I was born a Jew though I never followed the religion, and many of them died in Auschwitz - to me your views are beneath contempt.
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You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.
As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. I would not lose any sleep if both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.
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You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.
As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. i would not lose any sleep is both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.
Religion, religion, religion! "God" and Mammon are at the root of most of the evil in this world.
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You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.
As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. i would not lose any sleep is both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.
Together with their entire populations?
You have just announced that you agenda is exactly the same as Adolf Hitler's - the total eradication of the Jews!
I'll risk getting Moderated - Moderator: content removed.
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It's very sad that humanity is capable of becoming united in one group to work for the good of all people, and yet it is being torn apart by religion and greed.
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Together with their entire populations?
You have just announced that you agenda is exactly the same as Adolf Hitler's - the total eradication of the Jews!
I'll risk getting Moderated - you are a right bastard!
Just the countries will do. Moderator: content removed.
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Just the countries will do. Moderator: quoted content removed.
Now children, pack it in and think rationally.
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Moderator:
Controversial exchanges are fine, but insults are not. So I'm going to Mod two recent posts (and quote), and I'd second Len's advice before it gets silly.