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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Muslim Topic => Topic started by: ~TW~ on January 15, 2016, 05:06:10 PM
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IF WE COULD JUST FIGURE OUT WHO'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM —
Let's see, do I understand this thing correctly?
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
***WHERE AS***
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
***SO THIS LEADS TO ***
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
*** So, where are they happy? ***
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN, TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY ! ! !
I'm completely stumped...
Any idea who might be causing the problem ...???
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What are you trying to achieve with that post TW?
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What are you trying to achieve with that post TW?
A discussion.
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~TW~, Ithink the cause of the problem is the person who wrote the rubbish you quoted in th OP.
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~TW~, Ithink the cause of the problem is the person who wrote the rubbish you quoted in th OP.
Maybe,but he is entitled to an opinion.
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Maybe,but he is entitled to an opinion.
Everybody's entitled to their own opinion; they're not entitled to their own facts.
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A discussion.
Rather black and white
Rather simplistic
Rather one sided
Rather wrong.
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A discussion.
Poor effort then.
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None so blind as those who will not see.... :(
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There's many a good tune played on an old fiddle. Your turn.
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None so blind as those who will not see.... :(
No one not seeing Sassy. Clearly there is an issue with extremist within the Muslim faith. Everyone knows that. Perhaps there is a discussion to be had there - but the OP did not make any attempt to start a serious discussion.
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No one not seeing Sassy. Clearly there is an issue with extremist within the Muslim faith. Everyone knows that. Perhaps there is a discussion to be had there - but the OP did not make any attempt to start a serious discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
~TW~
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The evil deeds perpetrated by people of other faiths pale into insignificance when compared to the evil deeds attributed to the Biblical deity!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
~TW~
How about making your point clearly and attempting to start a sensible discussion about it? Go on, give it a try.
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How about making your point clearly and attempting to start a sensible discussion about it? Go on, give it a try.
Shame you cant see the points.Never mind.And please don't make out you do not understand the points being made.
~TW~
The bad news for you is at last people are beginning to wake up.
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Shame you cant see the points.Never mind.And please don't make out you do not understand the points being made.
~TW~
The bad news for you is at last people are beginning to wake up.
Yep!
the bad news for you, is they are concluding religion is a lot of crap!
Christianity over the last 2000 years has its own nasty moments too.
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Shame you cant see the points.Never mind.And please don't make out you do not understand the points being made.
~TW~
The bad news for you is at last people are beginning to wake up.
Which is it - that I can't see the points or that I'm making out I don't understand?
I can guess the points you are trying to make, in your clumsy way, but really the best way to start a discussion - which is what you said you were trying to do - is to make your points clearly in order that people can make sensible replies. Go on, give it a try.
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Which is it - that I can't see the points or that I'm making out I don't understand?
I can guess the points you are trying to make, in your clumsy way, but really the best way to start a discussion - which is what you said you were trying to do - is to make your points clearly in order that people can make sensible replies. Go on, give it a try.
Having been viewing this web-site a number of years,your statement above borders on lunacy sensible replies,don't be daft.Not from any of your Ilk.
~TW~
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Having been viewing this web-site a number of years,your statement above borders on lunacy sensible replies,don't be daft.Not from any of your Ilk.
~TW~
My ilk? What is my ilk exactly? If you think you don't get sensible replies from me then you ain't been viewing this web-site very carefully, but if you really think that then why not see if you can clearly state your point and you might get a sensible response or two. Go on, give it a try.
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My ilk? What is my ilk exactly? If you think you don't get sensible replies from me then you ain't been viewing this web-site very carefully, but if you really think that then why not see if you can clearly state your point and you might get a sensible response or two. Go on, give it a try.
So you want a discussion ok take this chap do you agree with him I think your answer will be no http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3403603/It-s-impossible-integrate-Muslim-community-Western-Europe-says-president-Czech-Republic.html
I am waiting.
~TW~
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So you want a discussion
You said that was the point of the OP when asked, so I believed you.
ok take this chap do you agree with him I think your answer will be no http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3403603/It-s-impossible-integrate-Muslim-community-Western-Europe-says-president-Czech-Republic.html
I am waiting.
~TW~
And I'm waiting for you to make your point clearly and sensibly rather than linking to videos and new items. Why can't you just say what you are thinking, why is that so hard?
Regarding integrating a large number of people from a different culture into the west then clearly this is difficult especially when many are fleeing violent war torn countries. It is a challenge which needs to be met - whether it is possible or not long term is yet to be seen. How does that question relate to your OP though?
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You said that was the point of the OP when asked, so I believed you.
And I'm waiting for you to make your point clearly and sensibly rather than linking to videos and new items. Why can't you just say what you are thinking, why is that so hard?
Regarding integrating a large number of people from a different culture into the west then clearly this is difficult especially when many are fleeing violent war torn countries. It is a challenge which needs to be met - whether it is possible or not long term is yet to be seen. How does that question relate to your OP though?
Just get on and answer the question or do what you are good at run.
~TW~
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Just get on and answer the question or do what you are good at run.
~TW~
I have never run from anything on here TW, so please don't suggest I have. In your OP you suggest that Muslims are happy in countries such as the UK but want to change it and you ask why. A simple question which would have been much better stated simply and clearly without all the other stuff before it. It seems to me to be a misplaced generalisation i.e. some Muslims are happy here and some Muslims want to change here - but they are not necessarily the same Muslims. The radicals want to forcibly change Western societies because they see them to be offensive and are not happy here. Other Muslims would like Western societies to change but not forcibly. Others are happy to live within Western culture provided they are allowed to go about their own business. The answer to your question, as far as I can see, is that you are talking about different Muslims.
Now then, one issue is what percentage of the Muslims in countries such as Britain hold the radical view. The second is how much support the middle group will give the radicals, or how much of a blind eye will they turn to their activities. The point made in the clip you linked to is a valid one well made. None of this is new however and I am sure we are all aware of these issues. It is a major challenge for our time.
So, since you apparently wanted a discussion, what do you suggest is the answer to these issues?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
~TW~
Watched it.
This and the OP sound like something that would come out of Anjem Choudery's mouth - a lot of unevidenced, unsupported allegations, generalisations and claims based on spin. It sounded like spin the minute she said that intelligence services agree on the percentage of radical Muslims seeking the destruction of Western civilisation, and then failed to name these so-called intelligence services and link to publications of the intelligence studies. Must be the same way the so-called unnamed intelligence "agreed" on WMD in Iraq.
Like Anjem, these US "patriots" will cling onto their beliefs about others. I said on another thread that the failings of the West are easier for me to live with because I live in the West. If I lived in, was connected to a country that was receiving the brunt of the failings of the West, obviously I would not think that the failings of the West are easier to live with and may well seek to prevent /change those failings.
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The evil deeds perpetrated by people of other faiths pale into insignificance when compared to the evil deeds attributed to the Biblical deity!
Prove it!
Your ignorance is outstanding...
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Yep!
the bad news for you, is they are concluding religion is a lot of crap!
Christianity over the last 2000 years has its own nasty moments too.
Were in the year 2016 where most nations are civilised.
Show us where they flew airplanes full of innocent people into two buildings filled with thousands of innocent people.
What Rome did in the name of it's Christianity has nothing to do with the Christianity they put Christians to death for believing.
Sorry... but the truth is that without that one particular religion this world would be a better place. To reach an age of enlightenment and then to regress to barbarism is nothing short of an outrage.
No one can think that God will reward such evils and with such lies.
How many virgins are they promised? What did Christ the Prophet they claim to be from God say: No one will marry in the new life.
It isn't happening in their own country they are doing it in other countries...
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IF WE COULD JUST FIGURE OUT WHO'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM —
Let's see, do I understand this thing correctly?
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
***WHERE AS***
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
***SO THIS LEADS TO ***
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
*** So, where are they happy? ***
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN, TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY ! ! !
I'm completely stumped...
Any idea who might be causing the problem ...???
Christian terrorism - http://tinyurl.com/ne74pz6
Hindu Terrorism - http://tinyurl.com/j9kvc9h
Buddhist Terrorism - http://tinyurl.com/p96h98x
Jewish terrorism - http://tinyurl.com/mmx2nt8
Any idea who might be causing the problem? On that showing, I'd say 'religious people' - http://tinyurl.com/o2b2kp6
Within that group, what proportion of terrorism is due to Islam: http://tinyurl.com/c8lxn4r Around 2.5%, in the US, where the majority is by radical Christians and cultural Latino groups; In Europe it's less than 2% http://tinyurl.com/pfbcdse - and specifically within the EU it's less than 2% - http://tinyurl.com/pfzwhed.
O.
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Is it only about terrorism though?
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Prove it!
Your ignorance is outstanding...
You obviously have never read the not so good book! ::)
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I take we can have as many goes as we like at the OP question so first off
Sir Alex Ferguson
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Postman Pat
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Christine Keeler
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That guy who works down the chip shop who swears he's Elvis
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King Dial the best dressed man in Barbados
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Anne Diamond on a hovercraft, filled with eels
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Gorgeous Gussie the ghostly gangster's girl
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Colonel Mustard in the gazebo with the jewelled dildo
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Barnaby?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t53D7kG7phA
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Alan Kurdi
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The scary dwarf from the Singing Ringing Tree
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That strange feeling that there is something under the bed
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The amount of time to realise that you hate Justin Bieber
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Ayn Rand's last sigh
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Turning right on Godalming High St
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Edwyn Collins saying 'The Possibilities are Endless'
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John Collier, John Collier, the window to watch
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Exit, pursued by a bear
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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
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The only artist to have top ten hits in all of Billboard's five key charts, Sheena Easton
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Suggested by ad_o, the Rothschilds
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Garam masala
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The unbearable lightness of Kanye West
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Master Bates and Roger the cabin boy
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I'd say Noggin the Nog.
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~ Tedious Windbag ~?
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~ Tiresome Wind-up merchant ~?
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~ Titanic Wanker ~?
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~ Tinky Winky ~?
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The Wally
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~Totally Wrong~
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So with God using evil {false religion} to fight evil, un believers and also hardening the hearts of that type of person the abyss is open and hell awaits many on this forum so salvation looks impossible for many of you,I suppose all one can say is tough you had your chance.Help is needed for many all of you that call good evil and evil good.
~TW~
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So with God using evil {false religion} to fight evil, un believers and also hardening the hearts of that type of person the abyss is open and hell awaits many on this forum so salvation looks impossible for many of you,I suppose all one can say is tough you had your chance.Help is needed for many all of you that call good evil and evil good.
~TW~
Did that make sense in your head?
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Did that make sense in your head?
TWaddle's head is not compatible with sense. ;)
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So with God using evil {false religion} to fight evil, un believers and also hardening the hearts of that type of person the abyss is open and hell awaits many on this forum so salvation looks impossible for many of you,I suppose all one can say is tough you had your chance.Help is needed for many all of you that call good evil and evil good.
~TW~
Sorry?
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Did I just log into a parallel universe :)
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Many of you do seem to have your heads buried,and you seem to spend all your life attacking Christ and calling good evil and evil good.
But it does seem some people see things differnt here is a little song they made up
https://www.youtube.com/embed/yZZlo0WZ_iU?rel=0
~TW~
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So with God using evil {false religion} to fight evil, un believers and also hardening the hearts of that type of person the abyss is open and hell awaits many on this forum so salvation looks impossible for many of you,I suppose all one can say is tough you had your chance.Help is needed for many all of you that call good evil and evil good.
~TW~
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT!
You have told us this more times than I care to think about.
We, or at least I, have chosen to reject your advice. Give it up - you are convincing no-one and wasting your time here - go find someone who wants to be saved and show them how, and leave us here in peace.
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Funny how facts upset you.
~TW~
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Funny how facts upset you.
~TW~
I'm dealing with somebody like that at this very moment.
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The evil deeds perpetrated by people of other faiths pale into insignificance when compared to the evil deeds attributed to the Biblical deity!
Don't be too proud of this biblical terror you've referenced. The ability to flood a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
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So with God using evil {false religion} to fight evil, un believers and also hardening the hearts of that type of person the abyss is open and hell awaits many on this forum so salvation looks impossible for many of you,I suppose all one can say is tough you had your chance.Help is needed for many all of you that call good evil and evil good.
~TW~
I find your lack of sense disturbing
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I find your lack of sense disturbing
Well read your bible sam hell will be for you a long time.
~TW~
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Well read your bible sam hell will be for you a long time.
~TW~
You appear to be messing with Darth Samuel, TW. Don't push it.
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Well read your bible sam hell will be for you a long time.
~TW~
You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master.
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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I have a bad feeling about this...
My dear Lady Rhi - I hope that it is not a feeling the ~TW~ might be right?
Please take a large glass of Chivas Regal and a 10lb box of Thortons and lie down for a week.
You will feel much better afterwards.
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My dear Lady Rhi - I hope that it is not a feeling the ~TW~ might be right?
Please take a large glass of Chivas Regal and a 10lb box of Thortons and lie down for a week.
You will feel much better afterwards.
Your prescription is most welcome, Sir Owl.
But actually I was quoting Han Solo.
Blame Darth Samuel, not me.
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Your prescription is most welcome, Sir Owl.
But actually I was quoting Han Solo.
Blame Darth Samuel, not me.
As I mentioned elsewhere I got the reference - I just thought you could use a prescription of Dr O's patent (pending) never to be put down pick-me-up!
On the subject of the poster in question an old song from schooldays comes to mind:
Hooray for Teedubbleya
Hooray at last
Hooray for Teedubbleya
He's a horses arse!
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These people are nutters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3498580/Shooting-suburbia-Chilling-moment-gunman-dressed-Muslim-robes-opens-fire-teenager-broad-daylight-north-London-cul-sac.html
And today a repeat performance in Cricklewood
~TW~
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These people are nutters
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3498580/Shooting-suburbia-Chilling-moment-gunman-dressed-Muslim-robes-opens-fire-teenager-broad-daylight-north-London-cul-sac.html
And today a repeat performance in Cricklewood
~TW~
Yes ALL extremists are nutters, but not all Muslims are extremists anymore than all Christians are. It is the nutters of both faiths who give their respective religions a bad name. >:(
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I think Mohammed is a very poor example of a compassionate religion
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I think Mohammed is a very poor example of a compassionate religion
In terms of compassion theism generally and monotheism especially doesn't score tremendously highly across the board.
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In terms of compassion theism generally and monotheism especially doesn't score tremendously highly across the board.
Of course, that makes everything better.
Thank you.
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National Socialism as well.
Oh hang on, its people in general, the entire race perhaps - none of them score anything really.
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In terms of compassion theism generally and monotheism especially doesn't score tremendously highly across the board.
Agreed.
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The example of the head honcho. Quite a diference between the two big ones with regard to the examle and "message" I would say.
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The problem with the examples is there are so many stories floating around and no way of going back in time to determine the exaggerated / fictional portion of the stories from the facts in the context of the events surrounding the stories. People believe the examples that resonate with their experiences of life.
Regardless, out of the examples floating around of the two head honchos, the examples I prefer advocate neither mindless violence nor pacifism in every situation - I don't know how to live as a pacifist in this world - seems like a path to getting yourself or others killed pretty quick - and same for mindless violence - there will always be someone better armed, more willing to cross a line, less fearful of death, more consumed with rage about a perceived injustice or just more nihilistic than you.
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The problem with the examples is there are so many stories floating around and no way of going back in time to determine the exaggerated / fictional portion of the stories from the facts in the context of the events surrounding the stories. People believe the examples that resonate with their experiences of life.
Regardless, out of the examples floating around of the two head honchos, the examples I prefer advocate neither mindless violence nor pacifism in every situation - I don't know how to live as a pacifist in this world - seems like a path to getting yourself or others killed pretty quick - and same for mindless violence - there will always be someone better armed, more willing to cross a line, less fearful of death, more consumed with rage about a
perceived injustice or just more nihilistic than you.
AND YOU FORGOT TO MENTION....... more driven by religious fervour.
On which point see the new thread I am about to start on Saudi Arabia.
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Ok but religious fervour is no worse a reason to kill someone than killing them for political power, money, land, corporate expansion, globalisation, patriotism, nationalism, posing a threat to your tribe, greed, envy, looking at you funny....
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Ok but religious fervour is no worse a reason to kill someone than killing them for political power, money, land, corporate expansion, globalisation, patriotism, nationalism, posing a threat to your tribe, greed, envy, looking at you funny....
It is when the authority for such killing is given as Divine Ordinance i e the Qu'ran or the Bible.
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It is when the authority for such killing is given as Divine Ordinance i e the Qu'ran or the Bible.
Or Mao's Little Red Book or Stalin's diktats.
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It is when the authority for such killing is given as Divine Ordinance i e the Qu'ran or the Bible.
Why is being killed out of religious fervour worse than being killed out of patriotic fervour? Is it just a personal preference that you feel better about mass murder inspired by concepts such as the eternal gratitude of your country and tribe for generations to come, rather than concepts such as an Afterlife and its supposed rewards of bliss and contentment?
And worse for whom?
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Or Mao's Little Red Book or Stalin's diktats.
Those come under Divine Ordinance?
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Or Mao's Little Red Book or Stalin's diktats.
Don't try and make out that you are stupid or that I am! You know the difference - Mao and Stalin were living breathing humans - God and Allah are not!
Edited for typo's
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Gabriella
I never said it was worse.
I just pointed out that the category was an important one missed of your list.