Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Hope on May 05, 2016, 08:11:49 AM
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Just wondering what your election 'pack' conists of. I shall be removing the Police and Crime Commissioner slate from mine and returning it to the officials as I regard the concept a bureaucratic irrelevance and I don't even what the turn-out figures to include me for that election.
Obviously, I'll be voting for the welsh Government. Just trying to work out how best to relegate Labour to oppposition without letting in the likes of UKIP who seem to be drawing more on disenchanted Labour voters than voters from any other party here in Wales.
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I think we only have a vote on Police Commissioner this time - and no one I know can tell me exactly what the Commissioner does - except draw a salary.
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I think we only have a vote on Police Commissioner this time - and no one I know can tell me exactly what the Commissioner does - except draw a salary.
Indeed. We, too, only have the Police Commissioner.
Another stupid act by Cameron to go alongside putting party before nation after the Scottish referendum. Not to mention the Brexit referendum. His own grandchildren will blush with embarrassment when they study modern history at school.
His sole qualification for Tory party leadership was that his name wasn't Kenneth Clarke.
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I shall be removing the Police and Crime Commissioner slate from mine and returning it to the officials as I regard the concept a bureaucratic irrelevance and I don't even what the turn-out figures to include me for that election.
We have a candidate for Police Commissioner whose policy is to abolish the post.
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"We have a candidate for Police Commissioner whose policy is to abolish the post."
Now him I'd vote for!
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"We have a candidate for Police Commissioner whose policy is to abolish the post."
Now him I'd vote for!
Likewise.
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We have postal votes so sent ours back last week. It was hard to make a choice, especially where the Police Commissioner was concerned.
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We have a party called Abolish the Welsh Assembly, lets get rid of the gravy train!
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We have both a district council election for our ward - happens pretty well every year, plus the Police and Crime Commissioner.
I think the latter is a complete waste of time and space and for the only time every deliberately refused to vote the first time there was an election for the post a few years ago. Just to convince myself I wasn't being just lazy I took a detour on my cycle back from the station to pass directly in front of the polling station but didn't go in.
Last time around turnout was about 15% which makes the election a farce - turnout was actually boosted in one place because their was a parish council by-election on the same day and I'd image parish council by-elections typically have about the lowest turnout of any normal election.
Bizarrely the Lib-Dem candidate for my local council election is also the Lib-Dem candidate for the Police and Crime Commissioner election which all seems a bit odd really, as were he to be elected to both he'd be a district councillor, a county councillor and the Police and Crime Commissioner.
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"We have a candidate for Police Commissioner whose policy is to abolish the post."
Now him I'd vote for!
I suppose next time around, it might be good idea to put yourself forward as Police Commissioner pledging to reduce the Commissioners salary by 50% - that way you could get quite a lot of money for doing bugger-all and STILL save the taxpayer money!
A truly win-win situation.
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So, with many results now in, we seem to have an interesting picture in Scotland - Labour currently 3rd behind the SNP and the Tories; Wales - Labour likely to remain the largest party in Cardiff Bay but Plaid, Tories and UKIP fighting out the minor places - and the Lib Dems likely to be a one-seat party. It has been interesting to see the political map (constituency) of Wales - red in the south east, south west and north east, with blue in the west and some of the north; the rest being green and yellow, but only a few seats despite the physical size of these colour swatches.
It has also been interesting to see how UKIP in Wales appears to have won their list seats - by taking large swings from Labour.
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I suppose next time around, it might be good idea to put yourself forward as Police Commissioner pledging to reduce the Commissioners salary by 50% - that way you could get quite a lot of money for doing bugger-all and STILL save the taxpayer money!
A truly win-win situation.
The problem as that the deposit one has to pay to stand for PCC is £5K, whilst the equivalent for an MP is £500. Not sure what it is for MSPs and AMs, let alone MLAs.
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I see that you have just acquired your very own troop of clowns in Wales.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-wales-36207410
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I see that you have just acquired your very own troop of clowns in Wales.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-wales-36207410
Its worth noting that there are no UKIP constituency AMs. That will be disappointing for Farage. However, it currently 5 too many UKIP AMs for my liking. Mind you, I'm not really sure what the party will do/stand for once the referendum next month has taken place, regardless of the outcome. It seems to be more divided on issues other than Brexit than the Tory and Labour parties put together!!
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Its worth noting that there are no UKIP constituency AMs. That will be disappointing for Farage. However, it currently 5 too many UKIP AMs for my liking. Mind you, I'm not really sure what the party will do/stand for once the referendum next month has taken place, regardless of the outcome. It seems to be more divided on issues other than Brexit than the Tory and Labour parties put together!!
It would be nice to think that they would all self-destruct in the event of a REMAIN vote..
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It would be nice to think that they would all self-destruct in the event of a REMAIN vote..
I think that Labour and the Tories will simply carry on with normal life, because they both have realistic policies that are completely independent of the BREXIT/BREMAIN decision.
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Looks like SNP have lost control of Scotland with Labour now not even the official opposition. Just goes to show your best bet is to spin your policies to sound left in Scotland, if you actually pitch a left-wing policy it will fail.
Sturgeon will have to get into bed with someone to form the government.
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I think that Labour and the Tories will simply carry on with normal life, because they both have realistic policies that are completely independent of the BREXIT/BREMAIN decision.
If we don't vote out they'll campaign for another referendum.
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Looks like SNP have lost control of Scotland with Labour now not even the official opposition. Just goes to show your best bet is to spin your policies to sound left in Scotland, if you actually pitch a left-wing policy it will fail.
Sturgeon will have to get into bed with someone to form the government.
More likely to run a minority govt as they did 2007 2011. They are 2 seats short of majority and will generally get support from Greens wjo are somewhat further to the left than Labour. Your analysis in terms of the reasons for Labour's demise is simplistic - they are not currently seen as left wing - just incompetent
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More likely to run a minority govt as they did 2007 2011. They are 2 seats short of majority and will generally get support from Greens wjo are somewhat further to the left than Labour. Your analysis in terms of the reasons for Labour's demise is simplistic - they are not currently seen as left wing - just incompetent
So you are dismissing my simplistic analysis with your simplistic analysis.
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Since UKIP seem to have picked up a sizeable number of Labour voters here in Wales, could we see a Labour/UKIP coalition in Cardiff Bay? ;)
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Looks like SNP have lost control of Scotland with Labour now not even the official opposition. Just goes to show your best bet is to spin your policies to sound left in Scotland, if you actually pitch a left-wing policy it will fail.
Sturgeon will have to get into bed with someone to form the government.
Wasn't the last Scottish (SNP) Government a minority one?
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"The SNP will retain its grip on government, after having claimed 59 of the 73 constituency seats up for grabs - up six on their 2011 result.
Overall, the SNP will occupy 63 of the 129 seats at Holyrood, with the Conservatives becoming the second-largest party on 31. Labour took 24, the Greens six, and the Lib Dems five."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36215186#
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Also - look how blue the border counties are on the map. I was struggling to understand why the Selfservatives managed to do so well up here, then it dawned on me. They have rebranded themselves as The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.
Traditionally Scottish Labour called themselves a Party for the Unionist but as they turned more blue than red they kinda lost their way!!
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Overall, the SNP will occupy 63 of the 129 seats at Holyrood, with the Conservatives becoming the second-largest party on 31. Labour took 24, the Greens six, and the Lib Dems five." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36215186#
Did the Greens have any seats in the last Scottish Parliament?
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChxkWDbXEAALzTM.jpg
Quite an arresting image of London after the election of an extremist terrorist Mayor. Only trouble is, I can't work out if it's satire by somebody, or for real, since the ES is such a ghastly right-wing rag.
Ah, I've been told that it is satire. If it was real, there would be sycophantic headlines saying how wonderful Boris is.
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Wasn't the last Scottish (SNP) Government a minority one?
No
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Very funny Wigginhall.
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Very funny Wigginhall.
You won't find it funny when we have sharia law, all men will have to wear the niqab, and dawn prayers will be in every street at 4am. This is not a UKIP ad.
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"Sadiq Khan was officially declared the new Mayor of London this evening after an election battle which officially began in March, but stretched back to last year. With a decisive victory of nine percent over his rival he comfortably saw off Zac Goldsmith to clinch the position which will see him serve until 2020.
The road to victory has not been a smooth ride for the Labour candidate, whose policies include freezing London transport fares for four years, restoring London’s air quality to legal and safe levels and aiming to make fifty percent of new homes in the city affordable.
Although garnering a consistent lead in the polls from the outset, his campaign has been tarnished by what can only be described as an organised crusade by his Conservative counterpart to discredit the British-born Muslim MP."
READ MORE HERE: http://tinyurl.com/hd3kcee
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A labour victory in London is as nothing to an extra Tory councillor in Tunbridge Wells.
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Labour victory? Not unless their candidate got 400% of the vote.
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This is the BBC John Pienarse reporting.
After their appalling victory in London, we can now say that Labour are finally finished and will not get back into power until well into the next geological era with a finality even more final than the last finality.
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After her landslide victory over the SNP in which she triumphantly forced them into a humiliating first place.
.......Why not Ruth Davidson for our next PM?
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Labour victory? Not unless their candidate got 400% of the vote.
Labour held the Blaenau Gwent constituency by 650 or so votes, having held it by 10K+ votes 5 years ago.
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You won't find it funny when we have sharia law, all men will have to wear the niqab, and dawn prayers will be in every street at 4am. This is not a UKIP ad.
When will this occur, wiggi?
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Whoosh ...
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The road to victory has not been a smooth ride for the Labour candidate, whose policies include freezing London transport fares for four years, restoring London’s air quality to legal and safe levels and aiming to make fifty percent of new homes in the city affordable.
Very laudable, but does he know how he is going to do it?
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChxkWDbXEAALzTM.jpg
Quite an arresting image of London after the election of an extremist terrorist Mayor. Only trouble is, I can't work out if it's satire by somebody, or for real, since the ES is such a ghastly right-wing rag.
Ah, I've been told that it is satire. If it was real, there would be sycophantic headlines saying how wonderful Boris is.
Haha!
Yes that angle did spectacularly backfire on Zac despite the one-sided coverage by the Evening Standard.
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Watching BBC election coverage with Evan Davies and MP Matthew Hancockweirdly trying to make the London elections evaporate.
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Maajid Nawz
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/08/the-secret-life-of-sadiq-khan-london-s-first-muslim-mayor.html
Until then, discrimination will continue to feed the poisonous tribalism fueling modern identity politics. This applies whether that discrimination comes in the form of right-wing anti-Muslim bigotry, or in the form of the left-wing bigotry of low expectations that holds Muslims to lesser, illiberal standards. Until these twin bigotries are dealt with, Sadiq Khan’s religious affiliation will, sadly, remain a topic of debate.
Wiggs, take note.
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For heaven's sake, does nobody do sarcasm any more?
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For heaven's sake, does nobody do sarcasm any more?
Yes that and tribalism these days, its far easier you don't have make an actual argument or do any actual thinking. The play book is "demonise the opposition, the opposition are demons I must be right".
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Yes that and tribalism these days, its far easier you don't have make an actual argument or do any actual thinking. The play book is "demonise the opposition, the opposition are demons I must be right".
Though in the case of UKIP that's not a problem, they are entirely Self-Demonising.