Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Bubbles on May 25, 2016, 12:26:22 PM
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This is interesting
Chimps filmed grieving for dead friend
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160517-chimps-grieve-for-dead-friend
I think they do.
I think we share far more than some people like to admit, including scientists. ( who seem determined to point out we may be assuming human behaviour)
Surely we are more wrong by assuming they don't experience as we do?
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Indeed.
Given evolutionary/genetic closeness it would be far more remarkable if they didn't grieve than that they do.
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Indeed.
Given evolutionary/genetic closeness it would be far more remarkable if they didn't grieve than that they do.
I agree.
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Indeed.
Given evolutionary/genetic closeness it would be far more remarkable if they didn't grieve than that they do.
Agreed.
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2089522-monkey-seen-caring-for-dying-mate-then-grieving-after-she-dies/
Monkeys too.
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Ssshhh.....Don't tell Sassy.
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Ssshhh.....Don't tell Sassy.
Or Hope!
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I don't doubt that chimps grieve, our own pets grieve, some more than others. They become very unhappy for a while after a person they live with or a fellow pet they get on with, dies. I've had this experience twice in my own pet family. In one case it was extremely traumatic. It didn't last of course but while it did it was distressing for us and my cat for about three weeks. So it doesn't surprise me that chimps grieve, as do penguins, cows and elephants. Probably many others but I don't know enough about them.
I can't see why either Hope or Sassy would object to the idea that animals grieve. I know they say we are not animals and all that but that doesn't mean they don't recognise other animals have feelings, they've probably had pets. I'm sure Sassy has, she'll correct me if I'm wrong.
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Or Hope!
especially not Alan!
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Dear Rose,
( who seem determined to point out we may be assuming human behaviour)
Yes, there is something wrong in that assumption, what is it?
And why do I find this story bewildering, of course they grieve, seems strange that this is news to scientists.
Gonnagle.
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especially not Alan!
Actually you are right. I might be mistaken about Hope, and was confused him with Alan.
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Well, I think the bastards wanted him dead and it's all just show.
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Well, I think the bastards wanted him dead and it's all just show.
:P ;)
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Dear Rose,
Yes, there is something wrong in that assumption, what is it?
Human behaviour is, by definition, behaviour that humans do. If other animals can really grieve, then grieving is not (exclusively) human behaviour.
And why do I find this story bewildering, of course they grieve, seems strange that this is news to scientists.
Why of course? The ability to grieve implies the ability to understand death which implies an understanding of the concept of future.
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Dear Jeremyp,
Human behaviour is, by definition, behaviour that humans do. If other animals can really grieve, then grieving is not (exclusively) human behaviour.
We say they are exhibiting human behaviour, is it not that we are exhibiting chimp behaviour, that is why I asked the question.
Why of course? The ability to grieve implies the ability to understand death which implies an understanding of the concept of future.
That to me sounds very human of you.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Jeremyp,
We say they are exhibiting human behaviour, is it not that we are exhibiting chimp behaviour, that is why I asked the question.
Or perhaps both chimps and humans are exhibiting behaviour of our common ancestor.
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Or perhaps both chimps and humans are exhibiting behaviour of our common ancestor.
chimpius motorwaybuildicus?
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chimpius motorwaybuildicus?
Don't be ignorant: everybody knows you capitalise the genus and leave the species in lower case e.g. Tyrannosaurus rex. It's Chimpius motorwaybuildicus
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Don't be ignorant: everybody knows you capitalise the genus and leave the species in lower case e.g. Tyrannosaurus rex. It's Chimpius motorwaybuildicus
Get a sense of humour Jezzer.