Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Jack Knave on May 28, 2016, 08:39:26 PM
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
Unfortunately for you and UKIP, we do not live in a fantasy world where kicking our neighbours in the nuts leads to sweetness and light for all.
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
I notice the concepts of leadership and Englishness are focussed on Jack.
What has Leadership in Englishness got to do with the UK?
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All the Brexit argument seems to rest on a highly unlikely assumption, that trade with the EU would just continue as normal (but without all those pesky regulations) and the rest of the world would come rushing in offering us favourable trade deals.
The reality is that if we are going to continue trading with the EU at around current levels, we will have to comply with their regulations plus a few more - but of course we won't have any input in framing those regulations. We may eventually be able to establish good trading relationships with other major markets, but that will require time and hard work and there are no guarantees.
The Outers accuse the Treasury of scaremongering, but it would be extraordinary if Britain were able to make such a huge shift without major perturbations to the markets and currency.
So the 'Best Case' scenario for Brexit might be that we only suffer as short recession (maybe just two to three years) after which things settle down but we still have to comply to most EU laws - but will have more freedom to trade with other countries - if we can negotiate some good deals. We wouldn't have to accept EU migrants, but we would still need an awful lot of them, so numbers probably wouldn't change much (unless the recession was really bad which would admittedly cause a significant reduction)
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
The modern age being just before the Boer War?
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, Jack.
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
A load of John Bull?
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All the Brexit argument seems to rest on a highly unlikely assumption, that trade with the EU would just continue as normal (but without all those pesky regulations) and the rest of the world would come rushing in offering us favourable trade deals.
The reality is that if we are going to continue trading with the EU at around current levels, we will have to comply with their regulations plus a few more - but of course we won't have any input in framing those regulations. We may eventually be able to establish good trading relationships with other major markets, but that will require time and hard work and there are no guarantees.
The Outers accuse the Treasury of scaremongering, but it would be extraordinary if Britain were able to make such a huge shift without major perturbations to the markets and currency.
So the 'Best Case' scenario for Brexit might be that we only suffer as short recession (maybe just two to three years) after which things settle down but we still have to comply to most EU laws - but will have more freedom to trade with other countries - if we can negotiate some good deals. We wouldn't have to accept EU migrants, but we would still need an awful lot of them, so numbers probably wouldn't change much (unless the recession was really bad which would admittedly cause a significant reduction)
You are forgetting one thing, that the EU is cracking at the seams with us in it so if we leave, taking our membership fee with us, they will be even weaker. If the global gives us a hard time then we won't have the funds to keep buying £50 - 60 billion more off the EU than they do off us which will result in its collapse which will mean that the whole global system will give way. So in conclusion not only will the EU give us a nice deal (if they have any sense in their own preservation) but the world will too.
The article is not about UKIP or even an UKIP perspective but about the future shape of things to come or the obsolesces of big bureaucratic institutions like the EU and the need for central control.
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Unfortunately for you and UKIP, we do not live in a fantasy world where kicking our neighbours in the nuts leads to sweetness and light for all.
The Americans did it to us Brits in the late 18th C. and that seemed to work for them; and it moved things into a new way of doing things or started a change...
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The modern age being just before the Boer War?
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, Jack.
I didn't use the term as a nomenclature but as a relative term from the way things are done now a new way for the future.
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I notice the concepts of leadership and Englishness are focussed on Jack.
What has Leadership in Englishness got to do with the UK?
It is just that we have often pioneered the coming age, the innovators of the globe - the Anglo sphere and all that.
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It is just that we have often pioneered the coming age, the innovators of the globe - the Anglo sphere and all that.
Sounds more like a couple of hang low spheres to me. But thanks for tipping us off that this is all about English Nationalism rather than Britain.
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http://www.ukipdaily.com/exciting-leadership-opportunities-leaving-european-union/
Moving into the modern age...
The modern age of isolationism, eh?
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The Americans did it to us Brits in the late 18th C. and that seemed to work for them; and it moved things into a new way of doing things or started a change...
I'm afraid that it was more a case of Britain kicking itself in the proverbials than the colonials throwing the shackles off. If we hadn't been as economically protectionist as we were, and limiting on their economy, things might have been different.
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It is just that we have often pioneered the coming age, the innovators of the globe - the Anglo sphere and all that.
Oddly enough, the innovators have, more often than not, been Scottish, Irish or Welsh, JK. The Anglo-sphere, as you call it, is a misnomer.
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Sounds more like a couple of hang low spheres to me. But thanks for tipping us off that this is all about English Nationalism rather than Britain.
You are silly. The English bit is about what we're done in the past as an example of the spirit of change from the decrepit old style to a new one, that's all it is not about. About the spirit of change moving into the future what ever that may turn out to be. It is not about the past and bringing it back; anyone can be part of this innovation into a new era.
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The modern age of isolationism, eh?
Read the article and see what a stupid comment that is!
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I'm afraid that it was more a case of Britain kicking itself in the proverbials than the colonials throwing the shackles off. If we hadn't been as economically protectionist as we were, and limiting on their economy, things might have been different.
You realise that what you are saying there is exactly what is wrong with the EU - protectionist and limiting the economy or competitiveness of its member states. The EU is stagnating; as did the USSR before its demise. So what I said was spot on!
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You are silly. The English bit is about what we're done in the past as an example of the spirit of change from the decrepit old style to a new one, that's all it is not about. About the spirit of change moving into the future what ever that may turn out to be. It is not about the past and bringing it back; anyone can be part of this innovation into a new era.
Yes but it's UKIP not EIP what about the Scottish Welsh and Irish?
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Yes but it's UKIP not EIP what about the Scottish Welsh and Irish?
The article isn't about UKIP. Read it!
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You are silly. The English bit is about what we're done in the past as an example of the spirit of change from the decrepit old style to a new one, that's all it is not about. About the spirit of change moving into the future what ever that may turn out to be. It is not about the past and bringing it back; anyone can be part of this innovation into a new era.
Like burning Papists and destroying church stained glass windows.