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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on June 06, 2016, 04:42:10 PM
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Down with this sort of thing
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/man-in-nothing-but-speedos-arrested-for-sunbathing-during-heatwave-in-brick-laneman-wearing-nothing-a3264771.html
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NS,
Down with this sort of thing
Down with his Speedos?
Well, if it floats your boat...
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So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.
"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*
WTF?
* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj
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So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.
"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*
WTF?
* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj
In which case we are all liable to be arrested at some time until they have the entire population on the record.
"No, no, son, you are not being arrested for being black, you're being arrested 'cos you are not on the DNA database!
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Apparently, charged with being drunk and disorderly. He may well have been drinking but there was no sign of disorder in his behaviour.
I noticed other people filming the incident. I wonder if any of them will be prepared to attend the magistrates court and let the bench see their recordings? Or perhaps upload their recordings to YouTube and hold the police officers concerned to "public ridicule".
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In which case we are all liable to be arrested at some time until they have the entire population on the record.
"No, no, son, you are not being arrested for being black, you're being arrested 'cos you are not on the DNA database!
However, it seems it is possible to "reclaim" your DNA.
http://www.genewatch.org/sub-539488
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So chappy (a) wasn't naked and (b) according to the article wasn't breaching the peace, yet he was arrested, which nowadays of course means being slapped onto a national DNA database for the rest of your days.
"Once a DNA sample is taken, it is stored, processed and the person's profile is added to the National DNA database. This will happen irrespective of whether the person is charged and/or prosecuted."*
WTF?
* http://goo.gl/6D93Nj
It's pretty worrying that this kind of abuse of power can go on today.
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It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
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It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
. . . and people worry about EU laws!
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. . . and people worry about EU laws!
Many do, and quite rightly so.
In this case however EU laws are only another instance of the "Don't look over here, look over there!" body swerve beloved of Hope, i.e. irrelevant.
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The guy was not a public nuisance even if a little of a spectacle. But I saw nothing for which to charge him or arrest him.
Had it been a young woman in a scantily clad bikini would they have chatted her up or asked her out on a date?
I think the fact he was doing no harm and people see men dressed the same at the swimming baths I am not sure why
they picked on him.
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Apparently, charged with being drunk and disorderly. He may well have been drinking but there was no sign of disorder in his behaviour.
I noticed other people filming the incident. I wonder if any of them will be prepared to attend the magistrates court and let the bench see their recordings? Or perhaps upload their recordings to YouTube and hold the police officers concerned to "public ridicule".
I thought the same HH, I hope they do! He didn't do anything wrong. This is evidence that the law is an ass. One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
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OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?
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I thought the same HH, I hope they do! He didn't do anything wrong. This is evidence that the law is an ass. One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.
The cliché, the law is an ass, is as with most clichés, used in a way that almost removes all meaning.
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OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?
A popular beat music combo, m'lud
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=budgie%20smugglers
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!
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OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?
Neither does this oldie!
But the guy is perfectly entitled to offend people's aesthetic sense by flaunting his bloated old body if it floats his boat.
Give me Beckham every time! ;)
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_beat_combo
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I thought the same HH, I hope they do! He didn't do anything wrong. This is evidence that the law is an ass. One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
And if you get burgled or robbed or beaten up - who are you going to call? It sure ain't the bloody Ghostbusters - you are going to call those very same cops that you want held up to ridicule.
Some people make me totally fucking sick!
My son has a six-inch knife scar on his ribs where the knife that was supposed to be going into the guts of the girlfriend of the bloke holding the knife went under the edge of his stab vest.
The girl's comment when it was pointed out to her that he had been wounded was - guess what?
He shouldn't have got in the fuckin' way then should he!
And people wonder why there are too few new coppers enetering the service - why? Attitudes like those expressed here - a couple of coppers doing something vaguely daft according to some and suddenly all coppers are idiots.
Thanks a bunch people! Think about this thread when you phone for a copper and they tell you that they don't have anyone available at the moment.
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So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?
Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.
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Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.
The cliché, the law is an ass, is as with most clichés, used in a way that almost removes all meaning.
Doesn't the CPS have to be involved before it goes to court? Maybe they will drop the charge. Or maybe they think being in briefs only in Brick Lane is sufficient evidence of being disorderly?
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So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?
Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.
Oh pardon me for having a contrary view of what has been posted to yours.
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Oh pardon me for having a contrary view of what has been posted to yours.
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. I have a problem with you misrepresenting what people have said. Which you have just done again in the above post.
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So anyone who in this thread has questioned the sense of this is saying all cops are bad and your son deserved to get stabbed?
Get a grip yourself and stop misrepresenting people in your too frequent generalisations.
Quote from YOU, NS
Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.
Quote from Brownie
This is evidence that the law is an ass. One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
Quote from Shaker
It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
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Quote from YOU, NS
Mmm actually it is no indication at all about 'the law'. Policeman can get the law wrong for many reasons and may just be being asses.
Quote from Brownie
This is evidence that the law is an ass. One would think the police would have a few criminals to chase.
Quote from Shaker
It's more than worrying. But the genie is out of the bottle and the situation will only get worse.
I suggest you try reading what you quoted from me again
It isn't a generalisation and is challenging Brownie
Or do you think no policemen can be asses, or get the law wrong?
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Or do you think no policemen can be asses, or get the law wrong?
Oh no, I know coppers get it wrong but that is no reason to tar them all with the same brush.
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Oh no, I know coppers get it wrong but thgat is no reasoin to tar them all with thge same brush.
And neither Shaker's post, nor Brownie's does this, and to the very slight way you might read Brownie's post as doing so, my post specifically challenges it. I know that it wasn't a deliberate misrepresenting b would be good if you apologised for doing so.
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And neither Shaker's post, nor Brownie's does this, and to the very slight way you might read Brownie's post as doing so, my post specifically challenges it. I know that it wasn't a deliberate misrepresenting b would be good if you apologised for doing so.
You will perhaps excuse me if my reading of the posts is rather different from yours as my position with regard to the police is rather different to yours, regardless of the intent of or interpretation that you put on the words posted.
If not, we will just have to agree to differ.
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Oh no, I know coppers get it wrong but that is no reason to tar them all with the same brush.
Well I wasn't really doing that; I know they are given their instructions, "Go out and arrest some people, we're down on arrests this month", and that sort of thing. It's a thankless task and, as G&S said, "A policeman's life is not a happy one".
As an aside, I fail to see what any of this has to do with budgerigars.
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Well I wasn't really doing that; I know they are given their instructions, "Go out and arrest some people, we're down on arrests this month", and that sort of thing. It's a thankless task and, as G&S said, "A policeman's life is not a happy one".
As an aside, I fail to see what any of this has to do with budgerigars.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=budgie%20smugglers
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You will perhaps excuse me if my reading of the posts is rather different from yours as my position with regard to the police is rather different to yours, regardless of the intent of or interpretation that you put on the words posted.
If not, we will just have to agree to differ.
If you won't make any attempt to justify your reading, then you are effectively saying that all the stuff that Sassy posts about pagans is just a difference in reading.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=budgie%20smugglers
Do you know what, I thought of that! Then I told myself I had a crude mind and dismissed it (also thought of hamsters).
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It's quite normal for us to have different perspectives on posts, it would be amazing (& boring) if we all had the same viewpoint.
There are times when one of us will say something off the top of the head, not meaning to be insensitive, and it strikes quite a deep cord in another poster. That's the nature of forums. It's not worth making an issue out of it, we move on - and learn a little more about fellow posters which is always helpful.
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Well I wasn't really doing that; I know they are given their instructions, "Go out and arrest some people, we're down on arrests this month", and that sort of thing. It's a thankless task and, as G&S said, "A policeman's life is not a happy one".
As an aside, I fail to see what any of this has to do with budgerigars.
But, you see, the people that you are saying ""Go out and arrest some people, we're down on arrests this month", and that sort of thing." are also coppers. Higher ranking ones, yes, but still coppers, and, as the saying goes, shit never falls upwards.
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If you won't make any attempt to justify your reading, then you are effectively saying that all the stuff that Sassy posts about pagans is just a difference in reading.
I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Sassy, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Christian agenda it is, must be to her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
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Do you know what, I thought of that! Then I told myself I had a crude mind and dismissed it (also thought of hamsters).
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It's quite normal for us to have different perspectives on posts, it would be amazing (& boring) if we all had the same viewpoint.
There are times when one of us will say something off the top of the head, not meaning to be insensitive, and it strikes quite a deep cord in another poster. That's the nature of forums. It's not worth making an issue out of it, we move on - and learn a little more about fellow posters which is always helpful.
So if you write - 'not all Christians are bad', and someone misreprsents that as 'Christians eat babies', and you point out that is incorrect, and they just say ' My interpretation'. you're meant to go 'Fair Enough'?
If things are not challengeable, then there is no point in any form of discussion.
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I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Sassy, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Christian agenda it is, must be to her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
No, you mader no attempt at justifying it, just said if that's what you thought then there was no point in challenging it - sounds a lot like Sassy to me.
This is the issue that I raised once before in a discussion of things being 'true for me'. People use it as if it makes them different to someone who like Sassy procleims it true for everyone - but if you use it to avoid dialogue, it's just as vapid.
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No, you mader no attempt at justifying it, just said if that's what you thought then there was no point in challenging it - sounds a lot like Sassy to me.
This is the issue that I raised once before in a discussion of things being 'true for me'. People use it as if it makes them different to someone who like Sassy procleims it true for everyone - but if you use it to avoid dialogue, it's just as vapid.
The fact thgat what you and others said means two different things, one to you and one to me, is a problem of language.
Your comments were seriously critcal of the police in the case in point, you give no quarter to the fact that they were enforcing the law of the land, the job that they are paid to do!
Effectively you were saying that as long as you agree with the law the police can get on with their job, if you do not they are stupid or exceeding their authority.
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So if you write - 'not all Christians are bad', and someone misreprsents that as 'Christians eat babies', and you point out that is incorrect, and they just say ' My interpretation'. you're meant to go 'Fair Enough'?
If things are not challengeable, then there is no point in any form of discussion.
No NS, I don't mean that, I was specifically thinking of Owl and his perspective on this particular subject and his reasons for it. I understand where he is coming from and why he feels the way he does, is all.
Owl said: ''You will perhaps excuse me if my reading of the posts is rather different from yours as my position with regard to the police is rather different to yours, regardless of the intent of or interpretation that you put on the words posted.''
What I said earlier sounded to him like a generalisation, which he challenged. I don't see any point in challenging him back, I don't think I tar everyone with the same brush but I do not feel as strongly about this issue as he does.
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No NS, I don't mean that, I was specifically thinking of Owl and his perspective on this particular subject and his reasons for it. I understand where he is coming from and why he feels the way he does, is all.
Owl said: ''You will perhaps excuse me if my reading of the posts is rather different from yours as my position with regard to the police is rather different to yours, regardless of the intent of or interpretation that you put on the words posted.''
What I said earlier sounded to him like a generalisation, which he challenged. I don't see any point in challenging him back, I don't think I tar everyone with the same brush but I do not feel as strongly about this issue as he does.
Thank you
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Thank you too.
I have a mental picture of a budgie in......
can't get it out of my head now. Hope I don't dream of it tonight ??? :o
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No NS, I don't mean that, I was specifically thinking of Owl and his perspective on this particular subject and his reasons for it. I understand where he is coming from and why he feels the way he does, is all.
Owl said: ''You will perhaps excuse me if my reading of the posts is rather different from yours as my position with regard to the police is rather different to yours, regardless of the intent of or interpretation that you put on the words posted.''
What I said earlier sounded to him like a generalisation, which he challenged. I don't see any point in challenging him back, I don't think I tar everyone with the same brush but I do not feel as strongly about this issue as he does.
And when I challenged you on your post he read it as supporting the stabbing of his son. Now I have already made clear why that doesn't read sensibly but you think it should be challenged?
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NSFW, NSF any F Where
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/budgie-smugglers-you-cannot-unsee
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Len has come back to the forum just in time ;D
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I think the footy player and the body builder have ugly legs.
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I saw nothing for which to charge him or arrest him.
Not so much a case of Budgie smuggling as something much smaller then.
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OK I am thick, but I don't understand the title of the thread?
You may have read the rest of the thread, floo, in which I asked the same and was given a link. The ''Budgie'' refers to the shape of the man's genitals shown in a very brief swimsuit (Speedo). I said to NS, who explained it to me, that it had actually crossed my mind but I dismissed it as me thinking rather crudely ( I also thought of ''Hamster''). However that's what it means. Not a canary because a canary has a sharp, sticky-out beak! A budgerigar's beak is curved inwards. All very naughty but doesn't go too far.
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For those who apparently are unable to see a reverse here is what Owlswing originally wrote but was not in keeping with the actually thread.
I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Sassy, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Christian agenda it is, must be to her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Omitted this part because it was nothing to do with myself and I only replied to where Owlsing aimed his post at myself personally using my name. I then proceeded to address the issue reversing the roles to himself.
Owlswing *Sassy*, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Pagan Christian agenda it is, must be to him her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what he she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
*Moderator: the above, as it was originally quoted in this post, was not an exact quote of what Owlswing said and the amendment was not indicated. Therefore, I've added the original text into the above quote (in red with a strike-through) so that the original context is apparent.
I have corrected post to show original post and the changed post.
Moderator: further update in that I have just removed further text inserted by Sass into the above quote since it gave the wrong impression that this addition was part of what Owlswing had actually said, which isn't the case.
I have now corrected the post so everyone can see the before and after so they can clearly see I only changed the name and sex of the person so reversing what he said to be about him from myself.
Do you see the truth is you are guilty of that which you accuse others of doing.
In truth your pride thinks only you have right. But the real bummer comes when you have to openly admit there is no truth in paganism and no real purpose or reason for even believing in any of it.
Now who really is only ever justified in his own mind for having a false belief in the first instance and no real mind to look for truth? YOU.
As I make it clear he is guilty of what he accuses others of doing hence the reversal making it a new paragraph and a new part of the post. Hence it is corrected now so shows the full correcting.
All than needed doing was to post the original quote as the new quote was not meant to show just what he said but how really the same could be said about him, I trust this is okay now.
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No, you mader no attempt at justifying it, just said if that's what you thought then there was no point in challenging it - sounds a lot like Sassy to me.
This is the issue that I raised once before in a discussion of things being 'true for me'. People use it as if it makes them different to someone who like Sassy procleims it true for everyone - but if you use it to avoid dialogue, it's just as vapid.
When in truth you have neither the ability or the knowledge about Christianity to know how to see if what I proclaim is true.
That is the real error in your posts and that of Owlswings.
Christ is clear that is you seek the truth and the Kingdom of God you will find it.
So truth is neither of you have ever sought TRUTH OR THE KINGDOM OF GOD when it comes to Christianity.
It is one thing to falsely accuse others due to your own ignorance and another to openly bathe yourself in your own ignorance in front of a whole forum. To every believer who read your post you know less than the average atheist scholar.
You have not the knowledge of the bible or Christ to be able to make an informed judgment or statement about someone else who is a Christian...FACT.
No believer is going to lose sleep over anything written by either of you.
"Greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world." You lose before you even write anything. A cheerful note for you there, not.
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Do you see the truth is you are guilty of that which you accuse others of doing.
In truth your pride thinks only you have right. But the real bummer comes when you have to openly admit there is no truth in paganism and no real purpose or reason for even believing in any of it.
Now who really is only ever justified in his own mind for having a false belief in the first instance and no real mind to look for truth? YOU.
Why did you edit Owlswing's post but not indicate that you had? Why would you lie like that?
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When in truth you have neither the ability or the knowledge about Christianity to know how to see if what I proclaim is true.
That is the real error in your posts and that of Owlswings.
Christ is clear that is you seek the truth and the Kingdom of God you will find it.
So truth is neither of you have ever sought TRUTH OR THE KINGDOM OF GOD when it comes to Christianity.
It is one thing to falsely accuse others due to your own ignorance and another to openly bathe yourself in your own ignorance in front of a whole forum. To every believer who read your post you know less than the average atheist scholar.
You have not the knowledge of the bible or Christ to be able to make an informed judgment or statement about someone else who is a Christian...FACT.
No believer is going to lose sleep over anything written by either of you.
"Greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world." You lose before you even write anything. A cheerful note for you there, not.
'Openly bathe yourself in your own ignorance' is a rather lovely phrase so kudos for that.
Unfortunately my post had no comment on being an atheist or Chrsitianity - so your reply in essence is entirely irrelevant. Perhaps you need to take a little more time and read what people say.
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Why did you edit Owlswing's post but not indicate that you had? Why would you lie like that?
How do you live with your twisted lies?
The first paragraph/sentence was NOT ADDRESSED TO ME NOR THE ORIGINAL POST.
But the part directed at me using my name was to do with me and I addressed the issue.
Truth hurts doesn't it.
I replied to that which mentioned me and was about me the rest had NOTHING to do with me.
Easy when truth is all you seek to see who is deliberately misleading others.
Paganism is false, fact.. live with it.
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'Openly bathe yourself in your own ignorance' is a rather lovely phrase so kudos for that.
Unfortunately my post had no comment on being an atheist or Chrsitianity - so your reply in essence is entirely irrelevant. Perhaps you need to take a little more time and read what people say.
What a lousy excuse for sh*t stirring.
NS you are an atheist get over it.
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How do you live with your twisted lies?
The first paragraph/sentence was NOT ADDRESSED TO ME NOR THE ORIGINAL POST.
But the part directed at me using my name was to do with me and I addressed the issue.
Truth hurts doesn't it.
I replied to that which mentioned me and was about me the rest had NOTHING to do with me.
Easy when truth is all you seek to see who is deliberately misleading others.
Paganism is false, fact.. live with it.
. You edited Owlswing's post and didn't indicate it, that's the truth - and it got nodded because of that. Oh and I'm not a pagan. So you are confused and lying.
'*Moderator: the above, as it was originally quoted in this post, was not an exact quote of what Owlswing said and the amendment was not indicated. Therefore, I've added the original text into the above quote (in red with a strike-through) so that the original context is apparent.'
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What a lousy excuse for sh*t stirring.
NS you are an atheist get over it.
as opposed to being a pagan which you decided in the previous post. And yes I am indeed an atheist but the post had nothing to do with atheism. Again try reading what is written.
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Sassy: I was not addressing the post and it's reply. I was addressing the issue which was clearly aimed at me by name.
That is true and I wondered when I first read the post why the above poster had been called out by name on a thread that had nothing to do with her, which is not pleasant and achieves nothing. I was surprised the moderators hadn't removed or at least edited it before Sassy did but I suppose they can't notice everything. Sass altered it clumsily and imo there were better ways the name calling could have been dealt with (may be even, ''Oy, leave my name out of it!'', but that shouldn't obscure the reasons for the objection. Now we have posters obsessively worrying it to the bone, as is their wont. Ytf???
On reviewing the thread, as far as I can see on quick perusal, the only post Sassy made before this kicked off was on topic, #10.
I will not say another word.
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Sassy: I was not addressing the post and it's reply. I was addressing the issue which was clearly aimed at me by name.
That is true and I wondered when I first read the post why the above poster had been called out by name on a thread that had nothing to do with her, which is not pleasant and achieves nothing. I was surprised the moderators hadn't removed or at least edited it before Sassy did but I suppose they can't notice everything. Sass altered it clumsily and there were better ways the name calling could have been dealt with, but that shouldn't obscure the reasons for the objection.
She altered it and didn't flag it had been altered - it's called lying
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Sassy: I was not addressing the post and it's reply. I was addressing the issue which was clearly aimed at me by name.
That is true and I wondered when I first read the post why the above poster had been called out by name on a thread that had nothing to do with her, which is not pleasant and achieves nothing. I was surprised the moderators hadn't removed or at least edited it before Sassy did but I suppose they can't notice everything. Sass altered it clumsily and there were better ways the name calling could have been dealt with, but that shouldn't obscure the reasons for the objection.
Brownie
Can I please suggest that you change your Moniker from "Brownie" to "D.A." or, more specifically, to "Devil's Advocate", this being a title that describes a fair few of your posts in exquisitie detail.
Friend to all and enemy to none almost!
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She altered it and didn't flag it had been altered - it's called lying
Or, at the very, very, least, misrepresentation.
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For those who apparently are unable to see a reverse here is what Owlswing originally wrote but was not in keeping with the actually thread.
I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Sassy, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Christian agenda it is, must be to her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
I have, to my own mind, justified it, you just do not wish to accept my interpretation of my reading.
Omitted this part because it was nothing to do with myself and I only replied to where Owlsing aimed his post at myself personally using my name. I then proceeded to address the issue reversing the roles to himself.
Owlswing *Sassy*, on the other hand, does not "read" anything. If it is not pushing the a Pagan Christian agenda it is, must be to him her, wrong - regardless of the religion, or lack of, that what he she is looking at is in support or explanation of.
into the above quote (in red with a strike-through) so that the original context is apparent.[/i][/b][/color]
I have now corrected the post so everyone can see the before and after so they can clearly see I only changed the name and sex of the person so reversing what he said to be about him from myself.
Do you see the truth is you are guilty of that which you accuse others of doing.
In truth your pride thinks only you have right. But the real bummer comes when you have to openly admit there is no truth in paganism and no real purpose or reason for even believing in any of it.
Now who really is only ever justified in his own mind for having a false belief in the first instance and no real mind to look for truth? YOU.
As I make it clear he is guilty of what he accuses others of doing hence the reversal making it a new paragraph and a new part of the post. Hence it is corrected now so shows the full correcting.
All than needed doing was to post the original quote as the new quote was not meant to show just what he said but how really the same could be said about him, I trust this is okay now.
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Sassy: I was not addressing the post and it's reply. I was addressing the issue which was clearly aimed at me by name.
That is true and I wondered when I first read the post why the above poster had been called out by name on a thread that had nothing to do with her, which is not pleasant and achieves nothing. I was surprised the moderators hadn't removed or at least edited it before Sassy did but I suppose they can't notice everything. Sass altered it clumsily and imo there were better ways the name calling could have been dealt with (may be even, ''Oy, leave my name out of it!'', but that shouldn't obscure the reasons for the objection. Now we have posters obsessively worrying it to the bone, as is their wont. Ytf???
On reviewing the thread, as far as I can see on quick perusal, the only post Sassy made before this kicked off was on topic, #10.
I will not say another word.
It is okay, Browine, Gordon might not have noticed how many times other posters may have in your opinion clumsily altered something changing the name of the Person and replacing it with the other persons.
But you appear to have understood what I did. I have corrected the the post in original but left moderators comments.
Gordon might want to remove his comments now, I am not going to remove them. Re-posted later as you can see so it is understood.
I can put on the whole armour of God but God has my back. And no amount of armour can protect you more than he can.
When people like Owlswing set traps they have to watch out, chances are they fall into them, themselves.
As God promises us...
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
So anyone who sets themselves against me shall not prosper. I personally, feel Christ shows us that God loves us in all circumstances. Not in just the good times but the bad as well. When my correction is finished then he will deal with those he used to teach me..
I remember when in my early 20's I went strawberry picking on a farm with my family.
The farmer has left barbwire amongst his crop of strawberries. It tore my skirt a few inches closer and it would have been my legs. When I pointed this out to him, I at least expected an apology and the cost of my skirt. He was smarmy and not nice the people present just walked off and did not buy their strawberries. I told him straight it will cost him more in the long run because vengeance is mine saith the LORD. The following year his whole crop of strawberries were destroyed and he never grew them again.
Nowadays, I don't want revenge it is really Gods to undertake. I want a peaceful and happy life the one God promises me.
So I am going to take that and have the future he alone knows and has planned for me.
I really don't feel bad things for anyone. I cannot be bothered with the vengeance thing it is Gods.
So I just take what is dished out. The rest is up to God.
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Nowadays, I don't want revenge it is really Gods to undertake. I want a peaceful and happy life the one God promises me.
So I am going to take that and have the future he alone knows and has planned for me.
I really don't feel bad things for anyone. I cannot be bothered with the vengeance thing it is Gods.
So I just take what is dished out. The rest is up to God.
Yet you still ask God to do this......
May Almighty God, close this forum if someone does not do something about the moderators abusing their powers and being prejudice towards Christians.,..To Gods Glory and in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen,.
Hmmmmm!
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By the way, this forum is still open - does that mean that someone 'done something' to stop the mods abusing their powers as you describe?
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I guess God had a quiet word with the mods - lay off the Christians, for Christ's sake - and they duly obliged. On the other hand, maybe that didn't happen.
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I'm not surprised the farmer got rid of his strawberries. Bloody hell. ???
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I remember when in my early 20's I went strawberry picking on a farm with my family.
The farmer has left barbwire amongst his crop of strawberries. It tore my skirt a few inches closer and it would have been my legs. When I pointed this out to him, I at least expected an apology and the cost of my skirt. He was smarmy and not nice the people present just walked off and did not buy their strawberries. I told him straight it will cost him more in the long run because vengeance is mine saith the LORD. The following year his whole crop of strawberries were destroyed and he never grew them again.
Yeah. Quite right. Bloody scrofulous sodding farmer. What a jerk. God really showed him his place, didn't he. Righteous vengeance with a bang. Smirking at a young woman with a torn skirt - that must have been among the gravest sinful offences anyone could commit.
And those children shot at Sandy Hook! It was their own fault they got in the way of the bullets. God smiles on the USA because it's filled with God-fearing Christians who like guns - so it doesn't matter if people get killed by them. That shows how God looks after those who pray to him. Fair and even handed all the time.
Seriously, Sassy, do you really think that God was dispensing vengeance because your skirt was torn?
Can we please get back to the fat man in swimming trunks?
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We're at parking space God, I see. Always a jolly jape.
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Yet you still ask God to do this......
Hmmmmm!
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By the way, this forum is still open - does that mean that someone 'done something' to stop the mods abusing their powers as you describe?
That is a forum not a personal issue with people?????
Yes people who abuse their power and a forum which is prejudicial is a different matter than a personal attack on myself.
I guess you do not know to separate an injustice that affects others/all and something personal affecting the individual.
Something unjust is a different matter to personal revenge.
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I guess God had a quiet word with the mods - lay off the Christians, for Christ's sake - and they duly obliged. On the other hand, maybe that didn't happen.
I guess the irreverance is to be expected. But how many forums has closed down or just no traffick?
You see people who have posted know when I have asked God to curse an unfair forum it has come to nothing or has little traffick. It is a fact but it is always Gods decision ultimately.
Here many Christians left because of the unfair modding at the time. I know several left feeling victimised.
But let us keep that can of worms closed. Be careful God does not always require being asked to correct a wrong.
He pays back after all of his own accord. Would not practice being irreverant if I were you.
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Yeah. Quite right. Bloody scrofulous sodding farmer. What a jerk. God really showed him his place, didn't he. Righteous vengeance with a bang. Smirking at a young woman with a torn skirt - that must have been among the gravest sinful offences anyone could commit.
What about the believers on this forum? You do just the same but hey you would not be worried about God taking vengeance would you? After all, why fear something you do not believe in? And you think Christians have problems.
We know in whom we believe.
And those children shot at Sandy Hook! It was their own fault they got in the way of the bullets. God smiles on the USA because it's filled with God-fearing Christians who like guns - so it doesn't matter if people get killed by them. That shows how God looks after those who pray to him. Fair and even handed all the time.
Did God invent and created the guns? Did he hand them out with bullets?
God left man as caretaker of the earth. The man chose to kill no one asked him or made him kill.
Numbers 35:33
“So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.”
Genesis 1:28.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So the truth is you can twist the blame all you want but God tells you " Thou shalt not kill" so hardly responsible for your reply or the actions of the man who did that awful thing.
Seriously, Sassy, do you really think that God was dispensing vengeance because your skirt was torn?
No one else lost their crop of strawberry's that year.
Do you think I would have been the only one who clothes got torn or even whose child was injured on that barbed wire?
Do you not think he could have said " I am sorry I never realised it was there, how can I rectify this matter"?
You asked me if it was just my torn skirt? No! it wasn't he had done other things.
So maybe it was simply he got his comeuppance.
Can we please get back to the fat man in swimming trunks?
What fat man? Surely you are not suggesting the man was fat? ::) :o
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That is a forum not a personal issue with people?????
Yes people who abuse their power and a forum which is prejudicial is a different matter than a personal attack on myself.
I guess you do not know to separate an injustice that affects others/all and something personal affecting the individual.
Something unjust is a different matter to personal revenge.
What abuse of power? I think the MODS on this forum are tolerant. They must be as you still post here! :D
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Jesus only managed a fig tree. Sass withered an entire fruit farm. Impressive.
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Here many Christians left because of the unfair modding at the time. I know several left feeling victimised.
How many is 'many'?
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How I see it is, we don't have to post here. There are forums which are predominantly made up of Christian posters and they still have plenty of rows! Some are quite nasty.
R&E is fine if we accept that it is a forum for all schools of thought, it's more interesting than a purely Christian one. The moderation is OK as far as I can tell, they can't please all the people all the time. If I found it difficult on here I'd stop posting, nobody is forcing me.
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So the truth is you can twist the blame all you want but God tells you " Thou shalt not kill" so hardly responsible for your reply or the actions of the man who did that awful thing.
Moderator: content removed. Thou shalt not kill - then Exodus 22:18 - thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!
Bleeding bare faced hypocrisy
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Sassy I've been thinking about you getting your skirt torn at the strawberry farm. I would have thought a pair of old trousers tucked into welly boots would have been more appropriate attire for fruit picking.
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Moderator: content removed. Thou shalt not kill - then Exodus 22:18 - thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!
Bleeding bare faced hypocrisy
Back in the day when Paganism was an everyday thing and less something to make one feel special. People use to leave prayers in places.
Many of these are available in Bath and reveal that pagans not only could be but normally were be quite nasty to their neighbours calling down divine retribution on them.
What thread of this ancient paganism survives today as I believe there is a myth that paganism has always been about loving, aware, bucolic frolicking.
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Jesus only managed a fig tree. Sass withered an entire fruit farm. Impressive.
Again using deliberate ignorance as if it made some sense?
Did Christ kill the fig tree by his own power or the power God gave him?
Here is a clue:
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
But in the case of the Strawberries, Vengeance is Gods alone.
Try working it out, it helps not to confuse issues you clearly never learned when posing as a believer.
You appear to flit from one thing to another. Even this paganism is really for show.
Guess how I knew that?
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Of course - it could just have been a really bad summer the following year.
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How I see it is, we don't have to post here. There are forums which are predominantly made up of Christian posters and they still have plenty of rows! Some are quite nasty.
R&E is fine if we accept that it is a forum for all schools of thought, it's more interesting than a purely Christian one. The moderation is OK as far as I can tell, they can't please all the people all the time. If I found it difficult on here I'd stop posting, nobody is forcing me.
When did you start posting again?
So not privy to the past or the examples then?
So again you speak about things you have not witnessed and based only on todays examples.
You don't see or know about moderation pm's sent to people both Christian and Atheist which prevent us from speaking out on the thread or forum because they come Re: Moderation Advice (in strict confidence)
Whether Christian or Atheist there is no freedom to tell others what is being said behind closed doors.
You see if there is no open accountability as there use to be then moderation can pretty much do as they please.
At one time we could question a mods action but now you cannot even discuss.
Recently I have to say Gordons has been about forum issues and about posts nothing intowards.
I felt I should make that clear do not want people thinking he has said anything of late that is other than the forums posting.
Even when been a little confused he has been gracious and understanding. So there is something good.
So mods in the past not always been good to others and yes some have let us know what they could share.
But none can speak out.
Christians left because of the treatment of believers here.
Christians need to be able to have free speech too.
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You appear to flit from one thing to another. Even this paganism is really for show.
Guess how I knew that?
God appeared to you out of a cloud and told you.
Or maybe you saw Jesus' face in your Rice Krispies and you knew it was a sign.
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Sassy:
When did you start posting again? A year ago last month.
So not privy to the past or the examples then? You are right about that. Also I wouldn't want to know about anything that went on in the past because I feel it is better not to have preconceived ideas.
So again you speak about things you have not witnessed and based only on todays examples.
Not just today surely, a year's worth, but we have to live in the here and now Sassy and not hark back to past things all the time? If I felt this was a bad place I'd stop posting and do something else. It's not bad at all but nothing is perfect. I have spoken plainly enough when I've felt something is wrong, quite able to stand alone, and what I have said has been considered but I'm only one poster amongst many. If I don't like the outcome I can disappear.
This forum is only part of our lives.
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When did you start posting again?
So not privy to the past or the examples then?
So again you speak about things you have not witnessed and based only on todays examples.
You don't see or know about moderation pm's sent to people both Christian and Atheist which prevent us from speaking out on the thread or forum because they come Re: Moderation Advice (in strict confidence)
Whether Christian or Atheist there is no freedom to tell others what is being said behind closed doors.
You see if there is no open accountability as there use to be then moderation can pretty much do as they please.
At one time we could question a mods action but now you cannot even discuss.
Recently I have to say Gordons has been about forum issues and about posts nothing intowards.
I felt I should make that clear do not want people thinking he has said anything of late that is other than the forums posting.
Even when been a little confused he has been gracious and understanding. So there is something good.
So mods in the past not always been good to others and yes some have let us know what they could share.
But none can speak out.
Christians left because of the treatment of believers here.
Christians need to be able to have free speech too.
Sassy is off on her "all Moderators are anti-Christian/anti-Sassy" pitch again.
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Well it's over now Owlswing. It hasn't harmed any of us. It's not easy being a lone voice on a forum, or feeling as though we are, any of us could be in that position (and some have at times). Yet life goes on.
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I understand there is a large section of American society who are anti-gun and also do not adhere to much of the right wing ideology. This isn't from my personal experience but what I have been told by someone who works in the States for a period every year. However he obviously mixes with people of like mind.
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Well it's over now Owlswing. It hasn't harmed any of us. It's not easy being a lone voice on a forum, or feeling as though we are, any of us could be in that position (and some have at times). Yet life goes on.
Over now!? When? How?
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If people don't like the way the forum is run they are not obliged to post here, as has been pointed out to Sass, many a time.
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If people don't like the way the forum is run they are not obliged to post here, as has been pointed out to Sass, many a time.
Since when has pointing anything out to Sassy, regardless of how many times, had any visible effect?
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Since when has pointing anything out to Sassy, regardless of how many times, had any visible effect?
It will be a cold day in her version of hell before it does! :D
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Over now!? When? How?
I meant it's over for now. Unless anyone wants to carry it on. Personally I'd leave it until tomorrow :D.
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I meant it's over for now. Unless anyone wants to carry it on. Personally I'd leave it until tomorrow :D.
What is over for now? Please!
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It makes me weary to go on and on about stuff on forums. As if there is no life outside, admittedly I don't have much but I do have some. Had my lunch and am taking very sick cat to vet. What was said earlier no longer seems very important, if it comes up again tomorrow it may provoke a response from me but for now I've had enough. If others want to carry it on that's up to them. I said a fair bit earlier on in the thread and cannot think of anything else to add.
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Sassy is off on her "all Moderators are anti-Christian/anti-Sassy" pitch again.
Try reading it instead of assuming... I have been told:- 'Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups' so you must be expert now? ;D
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Sassy:
When did you start posting again? A year ago last month.
So not privy to the past or the examples then? You are right about that. Also I wouldn't want to know about anything that went on in the past because I feel it is better not to have preconceived ideas.
So again you speak about things you have not witnessed and based only on todays examples.
Not just today surely, a year's worth, but we have to live in the here and now Sassy and not hark back to past things all the time? If I felt this was a bad place I'd stop posting and do something else. It's not bad at all but nothing is perfect. I have spoken plainly enough when I've felt something is wrong, quite able to stand alone, and what I have said has been considered but I'm only one poster amongst many. If I don't like the outcome I can disappear.
This forum is only part of our lives.
No a years worth isn't enough there were five years before that...
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Try reading it instead of assuming... I have been told:- 'Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups' so you must be expert now? ;D
Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups - wrong, misquote from Sassy again - it shoud read ASSERTION not ASSUMPTION!
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No a years worth isn't enough there were five years before that...
I realise that Sassy but should I, or anyone else, think about what went before? Isn't it better to work with what we have now?
I joined when R&E first started and my first impression was that it was a very good replica of the old BBC forum. There were, however, things with which I was not comfortable (which I voiced), and I drifted away. Nothing to do with Christians being bullied, I never saw that; other stuff. That doesn't matter now, it isn't relevant five years or so on, the forum is different.
We have posted on many a forum and there has never been one without rows, misunderstandings, accusations, insults, people being suspended and banned (including me). These things pass, there's no point in hanging on to stuff that has gone before; in any case we are supposed to keep short accounts.
As well as all the serious stuff it can be fun here. You can be extremely witty when you feel like it!
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Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups - wrong, misquote from Sassy again - it shoud read ASSERTION not ASSUMPTION!
I guess you have not heard that we can use any word we like?
I was speaking about your assumption not assertion.
a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
You were assuming not asserting....
Assume
suppose to be the case, without proof.
You got it wrong... Hence I said Assumption because there was nothing assertive about what you stated.
Here endeth the lesson.
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I guess you have not heard that we can use any word we like?
I was speaking about your assumption not assertion.
a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
You were assuming not asserting....
Assume
suppose to be the case, without proof.
You got it wrong... Hence I said Assumption because there was nothing assertive about what you stated.
Here endeth the lesson.
You are incapable of giving lessons in anything - EXCEPT how to cut and paste from the Bible.
You are a one trick pony completely incapable of independent thought.
You have, with your interminable "you don't know what you are talking about", "you are lying", "you do not have God in your life", "you do not know the bible", "you are ignorant of the meaning of God's/Christ's love", killed more threads than clothes moths.
You have, I presume, a brain - shame you allow a book to do the job that your brain evolved to do without that book.
What a dismal and pathetic waste.
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She's not here Owlswing, gone, read Thrud's post in Mod&Admin section.
Edit: Oh I see you have already.
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She's not here Owlswing, gone, read Thrud's post in Mod&Admin section.
Edit: Oh I see you have already.
Yeah! For 28 days!
She will return, her evangelical zeal undiminished, that is the nature of the beast.
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Let us enjoy the brief summer while it lasts.
You didn't get much sleep last night, you are well named Owlswing. I did manage to sleep until about 4.45am but intend to go back to bed for a bit (of sleep), so ta ta for now.