Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: jeremyp on June 28, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648664
[Farage] said hardly any of them had ever done a proper job in their lives, or created one.
This is an ex banker politician who rarely bothered to turn up to do his job as an MEP who has participated in the destruction of our economy and likely caused massive job losses.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648664
This is an ex banker politician who rarely bothered to turn up to do his job as an MEP who has participated in the destruction of our economy and likely caused massive job losses.
Farage certainly knows how to bring out the worst in people, which shows how easily led some folk are!
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Farage certainly knows how to bring out the worst in people, which shows how easily led some folk are!
I often wonder whether his plane crash really was an accident.
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I often wonder whether his plane crash really was an accident.
;D
That is quite funny, I remember a lot of people saying the same at the time (before anyone jumps on me, I do know it wouldn't really be funny).
He is quite an odd character and I cannot imagine him seriously believing in anything including what he spouts, he seems to have merely jumped on a particular bandwagon and capitalising on it as much as possible.
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;D
That is quite funny, I remember a lot of people saying the same at the time (before anyone jumps on me, I do know it wouldn't really be funny).
He is quite an odd character and I cannot imagine him seriously believing in anything including what he spouts, he seems to have merely jumped on a particular bandwagon and capitalising on it as much as possible.
Throughout his political life he has certainly upset a lot of powerful people.
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I often wonder whether his plane crash really was an accident.
I had forgotten about that!
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Dear Forum,
How to win friends and influence people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36650014
A grown up discussion, good start, who's laughing now, cut your noses off to spite your face, insults :o
We have a loose cannon, or rather a loose mouth in the halls of Brussels, one chap behind him was in fits of laughter, I hope that is what every member of the EU see him as, a clown to be laughed at :(
Gonnagle.
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Dear Forum,
How to win friends and influence people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36650014
A grown up discussion, good start, who's laughing now, cut your noses off to spite your face, insults :o
We have a loose cannon, or rather a loose mouth in the halls of Brussels, one chap behind him was in fits of laughter, I hope that is what every member of the EU see him as, a clown to be laughed at :(
Gonnagle.
Farage made a complete idiot of himself, it would have been funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Farage is now busily ruining our chances with any deal with the EU
Omg I can't believe this, you have to hear him to believe what he is saying........
I just want one of those shepherds crooks that they use to haul people off stage when they are embarrassing.
I mean telling the rest of the Meps that they have never held a decent job in their lives, have been dishonest and threatening behaviour ( well I think telling them that no trade deals with us is going to be worse for them :o the way he puts it is threatening)
Farage has to go............ He isn't helping us at all.....
I was so shocked to hear this.
It isn't just bad...... It's not the sort of behaviour I want representing us.
He has to go........ The man is a nightmare..... He's a liability far worse than flippin Brexit.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Dear Floo,
Why not another thread to show the little mind of Nigel Farage, and Jack Knave wants this guy to broker our leave deal, hey Jackie boy! is he still your Knight in Shining Armour, sorry Rose but flippin heck doesn't even cover it, shut the fuck up Farage is far more appropriate >:(
Gonnagle.
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Just written to my MP to let him know this sort of behaviour isn't acceptable, given our current situation, and I don't want this man representing me.
I want him removed before he makes a very bad situation worse than it already is.
:o
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I started another thread, missed this one.
I was so shocked at his behaviour I've written to my MP to complain about it. ( I came across the video while looking at BBC news)
The way I see it is, he is going to make a bad situation worse if left in place, as we need some goodwill ATM.
Things are hard and complicated enough as it is, without him stirring the pot.
He isn't in the best interests of this country, he's going to sour the whole proceedings.
It is funny in one sense, but he could make it harder for all of us, if instead of laughing someone gets offended.
Farage is like Johnny English, a complete idiot, incompetent , but less likeable and without the happy ending. ::)
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One thread is an open letter to Farage - if there is another one apart from this I haven't seen it.
Lots of people start threads about the same old thing Rose, time and time again, and say a lot less, you may not have noticed ;D. It doesn't matter. If the mods think it necessary they'll combine the two.
Farage is sounding off so his ignoramus supporters hear him. They'll believe him and echo what he says. The rest of us will feel as you do or else ignore him. However - he is undeniably dangerous, a snake in the grass.
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Moderator:
I'll merge the recent new thread into this one, and remove posts noting that there are two threads.
Done
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Omg!
The EU leaders have accused Farage of lies and Nazi Propaganda :o
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648664
Plus he got told
"Finally we are going to get rid of the biggest waste in the EU budget, which we have paid for 17 years, your salary!" he told Mr Farage.
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Arrrgh!
Farage is the wrong person...... :o
I'm surprised they put up with him for 17years.
::)
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Farage is like Johnny English, a complete idiot, incompetent , but less likeable and without the happy ending. ::)
I beg your pardon.....even though English is entirely fictional his exploits have made a far more positive contribution to British life......restore his knighthood, your Maj.
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Given all the claims about how all our laws are made in Europe, it's fairly ironic that today we've probably had more coverage of a discussion in the EU Parliament than we've had in total before.
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Just written to my MP to let him know this sort of behaviour isn't acceptable, given our current situation, and I don't want this man representing me.
I want him removed before he makes a very bad situation worse than it already is.
:o
Assuming his views are much the same as the rest of the Leave campaign, I don't think his views are wrong, it's the way he talks. Maybe it's the effect of the beer.
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I see Farage is to step down as UKIP leader. Maybe Leadson will take over!!!!!
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I see Farage is to step down as UKIP leader. Maybe Leadson will take over!!!!!
Not again!
What are the chances he'll be back within the week?
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Not again!
What are the chances he'll be back within the week?
He says he won't, but we shall see!
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Farage made a complete idiot of himself, it would have been funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Farage is a European version of Mr Trump. He is a warning of what happens when people vote for fruitcakes as a protest vote.
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Farage is a European version of Mr Trump. He is a warning of what happens when people vote for fruitcakes as a protest vote.
I don't think Farage is insane, like I believe Trump to be. But voting for the likes of them would certainly flush any sort of human decency down the drain.
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I'd more concerned now Farage has gone, Suzanne Evans, Douglas Carswell are not as divisive and could see UKIP become more popular.
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You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers might see it.
So c u when I next care to log in.
~TW~
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I'd more concerned now Farage has gone, Suzanne Evans, Douglas Carswell are not as divisive and could see UKIP become more popular.
Suzanne Evans is a loud and ill mannered cow who would hopefully show Pukip for what they are. Carswell is more of an acceptable politician, he would worry me the most (assuming that he does not get expelled).
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You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers might see it.
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This country is certainly a lot worse off today than it was on the 23rd of June and that bastard Farage is the chief culprit!
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You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off
Pound sinking, relations with our neighbours screwed, many more racist incidents, both main political parties rudderless and in chaos, two of the three Vote Leave triumvirate deserting, the other one the most hated man in Britain.
Yes, I'd say we are worse off.
after 40 years of shit
Human rights, workers rights, tariff free trade with Europe, ability to work in any EU country, that shit?
and the dismantling of this country
Which is now going to happen when Scotland deserts us.
Good job TW.
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Dear Lapsed,
Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.
He was told by his anti EU colleagues that the EU was failing, Farage with all his bluster told him the EU was not working, all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.
There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.
If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.
I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.
Gonnagle.
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Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
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Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
That has already been mentioned, keep up Rose!
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Not for the first time.
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You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers might see it.
So c u when I next care to log in.
~TW~
Bye, hope to hear from you, maybe in 2023?
( which will be five years to soon at least)
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Farage has stepped down from the UKIP leadership
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
I'd have preferred it if he'd stepped into a tank of sharks.
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Suzanne Evans is a loud and ill mannered cow who would hopefully show Pukip for what they are. Carswell is more of an acceptable politician, he would worry me the most (assuming that he does not get expelled).
We get the politicians we deserve as your post demonstrates.
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We get the politicians we deserve as your post demonstrates.
What's this talk of expelling Carswell?
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Just talk atm.
http://news.sky.com/story/1648918/ukip-infighting-over-rival-leave-eu-campaigns
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Dear Lapsed,
Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.
He was told by his anti EU colleagues that the EU was failing, Farage with all his bluster told him the EU was not working, all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.
There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.
If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.
I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.
Gonnagle.
This is all very interesting, Gonners,but I don't think your analysis is quite right.
Cameron is certainly the villain of this piece but not for the reasons you give. At no time did Cameron think that the EU was failing, he was a supporter.
No, Cameron put the interests of his party before the interests of the country.
He organised the referendum expecting it to show "remain" so that he could put boot into neanderthals like Duncan Smith and Redwood and all the other right-wingers who were bleating about the EU. He put party before country after the Scottish referendum, too. He could have organised a commission to look at the British Constitution to see how it could be dragged into the 21st century (this could have include EU membership). But no, he chose to rely on EVEL - he figured that the Conservative Party would have a permanent majority in England and chose the most advantageous option.
Now it has all gone wrong and he has been made to look an idiot. His problems are all self-inflicted
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I don't think Farage is insane, like I believe Trump to be.
I'd say the opposite. Farage has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and/or the consequences of what he says. Trump is inteligent enough to know the first, even if he doesn't manage the second.
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You lot are just a lot of whingers,get this we are out and this country is worse off after 40 years of shit and the dismantling of this country,we will take it back and Farage opened the eyes of some, in time you whingers scroungers might see it.
So c u when I next care to log in.
~TW~
~TW~, we aren't necessarily out. Remember that the referendum is only advisory, and despite Cameron saying that he would accept he result, it can't occur until 1) an Act of Parliament is passed by the 650-odd MPs in the House of Commons (the majority of whom are against Brexit) - and 2) Article 50 has been triggered. A referendum result is not legally or democratically binding and when about 53% of the population vote and 52% of that group vote one way there doesn't seem to be that much of a mandate for change.
In the long run, I suspect that we will come out from the EU closet, but whether that will actually benefit us remains to be seen.
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Dear Lapsed,
Farage, chief culpirt? no, sorry, but the chief culprit is Cameron, not Boris, not Gove, not Farage, and certainly not Corbyn, Cameron is the man, all the blame lies on his shoulders.
I'd agree, Gonners: Cameron oughtn't to have tried to get change within the EU, nor should he have tried to make our place in that group more palatable to the British people; nor, foir that matter, should he have stood up and told the larger nations that what they are moving towards would damage ultimately damage all the European nations. Above all, he oughtn't to have allowed anyone to express their own opinion, nor should he have tried to get the Britih people to support his push for change. If he hadn't have done all that, everyone would be happy as larry - except of course for Salmon and Sturgeon who are hell-bent on leaving the UK and trying to salvage their place in the EU at the same time!!
...all the signs were there that the EU needed overhauling, I can't help but think if Maggie was still in charge she would have told them all where to go, Mr Cameron had no backbone for a fight, maybe because of personal reasons, maybe because he had warned us all that he wanted out.
If Maggie had still been in charge, I suspect that she would have done much the same as Cameron - tried to overhaul the EU. Unfortunately, with nigh-on twice the number of countries in the EU than there were in her time, that would have resulted in much the same outcome as Cameron. At least he had the guts to go through with a referendum, something that Maggie (and Tony) both promised, but both bottled on.
There was infighting amongst his party way before all this EU nonsense, and personally I never thought he had the necessary to be a leader.
And there has clearly been infighting within the Labour party as well. At least the Tory party are transparent as regards that.
If he truly had British interests at heart he would have been shouting from the roof tops about the state of the EU's economy, he would have had immigration at the heart of talks.
Not sure that he could have shouted a lot louder about these issues than he did, without deafening people.
I think he was quite happy to cosy up to all the big players in Europe, he thought this was the safest and easiest option, but now he has been caught with his trousers down, his weakness as a leader has been his downfall, not to mention him bringing us all down with him.
Whereas I see him deciding that if he could open some chinks in the armour, further chinks could be made further down the line. What he didn't anticipate was the craven-ness of so many of the Welsh and English who were quite happy to swallow the UKIP line.
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Dear Harrowby,
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This is all very interesting, Gonners,but I don't think your analysis is quite right.
My analysis may be off the mark but I think we can both agree that the blame for this whole debacle can be laid fairly and squarely at Cameron's feet.
Cameron is certainly the villain of this piece but not for the reasons you give. At no time did Cameron think that the EU was failing, he was a supporter.
Failing is probably the wrong word I used, flawed maybe, in need of fixing, probably why I like the remain slogan of "Remain and Reform" the one thing I am sure of, Cameron gambled badly on this referendum, it all seemed to be badly rushed.
I can blame Farage for the vile way he conducted his campaign, I could say that Corbyn should have been more vocal but in the end, Cameron's total failure to lead, his party, his country and in the EU.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Harrowby,
Post 37
My analysis may be off the mark but I think we can both agree that the blame for this whole debacle can be laid fairly and squarely at Cameron's feet.
You do realise that the referendum went through parliament with widespread support. I know it doesn't suit your simplistic dog-whistle tribal view of politics but its not quite as simple as scapegoating one politician.
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Dear Jakswan,
Aye! You have already informed me of this in an earlier post, in my simplistic dog-whistle tribal view I am not scapegoating one politician, I am scapegoating our PM, the leader of our country, the man in charge, the buck stops here man.
Gonnagle.