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Title: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Hope on August 02, 2016, 08:08:15 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 02, 2016, 08:26:33 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010
Honestly, who cares?
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Aruntraveller on August 02, 2016, 10:52:55 PM
I don't know about anybody else but I couldn't give a stuff what colour it is.

My passport comes out of a drawer 2 or 3 times a year gets flashed at a person in Spain/Germany/any other country and when I return goes back in the drawer.

Are we really so vacuous that we are going to throw a tantrum about the colour of a small booklet that seldom sees daylight?

Oh and then here will be the cost of designing a new passport including new security measures in it - still maybe the fabled 350 million will cover it - or maybe they will just charge joe public a higher cost. Which outcome is your money on?
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Sassy on August 02, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010

UNION JACK COVER OR WHITE FLAG OF ST' GEORGE...NOT. LOL.


Purple would be a good colour.... ;D
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: BeRational on August 03, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
I think Trent has a good point.

Make the cheapest change possible.

It is for me, an infrequent document whose purpose is important, but whose looks are not.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Harrowby Hall on August 03, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
Or perhaps we could become the first country to implant identity chips into our bodies.

If the government played its cards right it could get Dogs Trust or the Cats Protection League to do it free.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: floo on August 03, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
How about red, white and blue?
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Harrowby Hall on August 03, 2016, 01:59:21 PM
How about red, white and blue?

What a good idea. The national colours of France.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Or perhaps we could become the first country to implant identity chips into our bodies.

If the government played its cards right it could get Dogs Trust or the Cats Protection League to do it free.

Oh don't, I can imagine that happening.  Big Brother and all that.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 02:31:34 PM
Ooh! We could have little uv moving picces. ( or even non uv ones)

A marching redcoat with a bearskin, or a bunch of corgies


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Some of the coolest passport designs include ones with UV artwork like ones from Canada, the UK, the US, and China that expose "hidden" images under UV light. And then there's Finland's animated image of a moose running, which was released in 2012.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-passports-come-in-red-green-blue-black-colours-2016-3
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It's not just about the cover.

Think what moving pictures we could have.

A Bobby bending at the knees " allo, allo, allo! "

Something that represents the uk.

Wales could have sheep walking or daffodils swaying in the breeze, Scotland could have a bagpiper in a kilt blowing in the breeze or walking highland cattle.

It could be fun ;)

Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 02:34:59 PM
It could be naff!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 02:40:49 PM
It could be naff!


Awww!  :-[

But it might not be  ;)
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: floo on August 03, 2016, 03:05:38 PM
What a good idea. The national colours of France.

Even better as far as I am concerned, due to my heritage. :D
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 03:23:35 PM
Rose, it might not be naff when you get your new passport but would be well naff long before it expires, trust me.  You can't change it like hair colour or make up.

Floo, the USA flag is red, white and blue too.

Flag of Guernsey with red and gold cross would be nice.
Wales flag has red dragon, very dramatic but reminds me of pub sign.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: L.A. on August 03, 2016, 04:10:01 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010

Personally I couldn't care less, but it would be nice if it displayed the EU flag - JUST TO ANNOY THE BREXITORS.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Rose, it might not be naff when you get your new passport but would be well naff long before it expires, trust me.  You can't change it like hair colour or make up.

Floo, the USA flag is red, white and blue too.

Flag of Guernsey with red and gold cross would be nice.
Wales flag has red dragon, very dramatic but reminds me of pub sign.

you can buy a case for it I suppose, if you dip into like what is.

http://tinyurl.com/ju2vz78

Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 04:18:33 PM
Glittery one anyone ?

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/cool_pink_faux_glitter_pattern-256897063160496115
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 04:26:07 PM
Hey Brownie

This dragon bright enough?

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/red_dragon_lgbt_pride-256409328065237633

It's lgbt pride but zazzle sells all sorts of different ones.

I expect one of the companies like photo box might even let you personalise what picture goes on it, you could have the children/grandchildren  ;)

Which makes it irrelevant somewhat to its original colour because if you don't like it you can always cover it up.

It's a bit like worrying about the colour of your phone and then buying a case for it.

Something I realised this time round  ::)

( so instead of opting for the black one with a pink case, this time my phone is " Rose " coloured with a black cover  ;D)

At least with a cover if it starts to look naff or you get fed up with it, you can change it.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
Some of these are quite amusing

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/funny+passport+holders

Not sure it's a good idea for places like Saudi Arabia with the bacon ones or the alcohol ones, they might think you were taking the piss.

 ;D
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
There are some very britishy ones on here, one with red London buses and even the red coated bearskin soldier.

This one even has my Mary Poppins umbrella  :o. Fish n chips, Big Ben, ye olde pub sign

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/210036600/passport-cover-ye-olde-pub-passport?ref=shop_home_active_31

The original can come in any colour, no longer relevant.

Nice to have a different design inside though with lots of pages for the stamps

So many places no longer bother, I loved collecting the stamps from different places.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 05:08:23 PM
This?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bf/73/a5/bf73a578d3f6c1b25cf24633fbdea410.jpg
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
This?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bf/73/a5/bf73a578d3f6c1b25cf24633fbdea410.jpg

Johnny Rotten?

On a passport?  :o

Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 06:17:08 PM
Well he is very British.  Sang "God Save the Queen" and advertised Country Life butter......I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 03, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
Well he is very British.  Sang "God Save the Queen" and advertised Country Life butter......I'll get me coat.

 ;D ;D

True, but I was more a David Cassidy fan  ;)

http://www.biography.com/people/david-cassidy-307308

I was into Jackie and remember recording the charts by balancing a small microphone near the TV ( as it says on Amazon) or even better the top 40 on BBC radio on a Sunday night from 5-7

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Jackie-Magazine-Seventies-Prion/dp/1853755869
 ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
He was nice but he's quite a prat now, saw him on something last year.
Anyway you could have a nice partridge on your passport.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 03, 2016, 07:36:46 PM
Of all the things we need to sort out and arrange for our Brexit some media twat has raised this issue...?? How vacuous!!!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: L.A. on August 03, 2016, 09:11:18 PM
Of all the things we need to sort out and arrange for our Brexit some media twat has raised this issue...?? How vacuous!!!

I agree, the main concern must be to figure out how the hell we are going to get out of this mess that your lot have created for us!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Hope on August 03, 2016, 09:43:21 PM
Purple would be a good colour.... ;D
Preferably Deep Purple - oh sorry, that''s a different forum!!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Hope on August 03, 2016, 09:50:47 PM
Of all the things we need to sort out and arrange for our Brexit some media twat has raised this issue...?? How vacuous!!!
Except that, without a passport, people like businessmen and exporters won't be able to leave the shores of this island in order to set up trading deals.  Its by no means a minor issue.  Not the most important, perhaps, but just one of a whole host of issues that those who voted to leave the EU have left the country with. 
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 03, 2016, 09:53:52 PM
Except that, without a passport, people like businessmen and exporters won't be able to leave the shores of this island in order to set up trading deals.  Its by no means a minor issue.  Not the most important, perhaps, but just one of a whole host of issues that those who voted to leave the EU have left the country with.
I think Jack is commenting about the question of the colour of the passport, as in the OP,  not whatever it is you are talking about
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Hope on August 03, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
I think Jack is commenting about the question of the colour of the passport, as in the OP,  not whatever it is you are talking about
Whereas I think that Jack has forgotten that the passport will need to be redesigned anyway, as it will no longer be allowed to carry the EU logo, or refer to the EU in any way.  The choice of colour in such a redesign isn't quite as vacuous as he'd like to make out.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 03, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
Whereas I think that Jack has forgotten that the passport will need to be redesigned anyway, as it will no longer be allowed to carry the EU logo, or refer to the EU in any way.  The choice of colour in such a redesign isn't quite as vacuous as he'd like to make out.
The choice of colours has no impact on who carries passports.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Steve H on August 03, 2016, 10:22:49 PM
Who in their right mind gives a gnat's gnadger?
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Brownie on August 03, 2016, 10:49:29 PM
We're just being a bit lightweight to take the edge off all the Brexit grief, Steve.  No harm!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Sassy on August 04, 2016, 08:37:40 AM
;D ;D

True, but I was more a David Cassidy fan  ;)

http://www.biography.com/people/david-cassidy-307308

I was into Jackie and remember recording the charts by balancing a small microphone near the TV ( as it says on Amazon) or even better the top 40 on BBC radio on a Sunday night from 5-7

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Jackie-Magazine-Seventies-Prion/dp/1853755869
 ::)

 ;D

Rose,

Remember taping the to 40 on cassette player from radio. LOL.
Melody Maker and Jackie both good magazines. Also the lyrics books with the latest songs.

You took me back then Rose to my teens.

But I loved the annuals at Christmas too. Bunty, Judy, Mandy, Dandy, Beano, Misty and all the others too.
Good reading over Christmas period. Nothing like that now soon disappeared. As a child I got the Rupert annual
every year. Days before computers took up our time.

What about a passport with a gold monogram of the Queen on the front and in the middle of the british coat of arms.

I think it would look the real deal.

 :)
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 04, 2016, 04:21:35 PM
I agree, the main concern must be to figure out how the hell we are going to get out of this mess that your lot have created for us!
And which intelligent lot are going to sort out the massive mess of the EU? The ones there now couldn't find their way out of paper bag and just pile one stack of insanity on to another - thank God we are rid of them nearly.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: L.A. on August 05, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
And which intelligent lot are going to sort out the massive mess of the EU? The ones there now couldn't find their way out of paper bag and just pile one stack of insanity on to another - thank God we are rid of them nearly.

I'd agree that it is a near impossible task for anyone - the only sane option would be to just to sign-up for a Norway deal including free movement of workers, but I expect that would upset the xenophobes.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 05, 2016, 01:34:27 PM
And which intelligent lot are going to sort out the massive mess of the EU?
Thanks to you, it won't be us. We're just running away.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on August 05, 2016, 05:59:47 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010
Yes
Also Black and white TV, Pounds, shillings and pence and smoking in pubs.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 05, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
Thanks to you, it won't be us. We're just running away.
We're not running away we are just leaving it in the hands of the incompetent lot who caused it in the first place. And by the way if we stayed to help what would you recommend needed doing to correct the heinous mess? Give me clear details please.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Hope on August 05, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
Also Black and white TV, Pounds, shillings and pence and smoking in pubs.
Hi Vlad, I hadn't realised that those were forms of ID that you could use when travelling abroad.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 08, 2016, 12:09:52 PM
We're not running away we are just leaving it in the hands of the incompetent lot who caused it in the first place.
Which is another way of saying we are running away.

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And by the way if we stayed to help what would you recommend needed doing to correct the heinous mess? Give me clear details please.
That would be a derail of this thread. Feel free to start another one and I'll comment.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Bubbles on August 08, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Thanks to you, it won't be us. We're just running away.

And you have the cheek to call other posters "  cowards"

Get a grip!
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 08, 2016, 07:02:03 PM
And you have the cheek to call other posters "  cowards"

Get a grip!
This is a thread about passports. Start another one about how to fix the EU and I'll gladly comment.

That is, unless your opinion is that it is wrong of me to try to think of ways to fix the EU, your Royal Thought Policeness.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 08, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
Which is another way of saying we are running away.
No it's not. It saying we are not stupid enough to stay around something that is going to explode.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 08, 2016, 09:13:16 PM
No it's not. It saying we are not stupid enough to stay around something that is going to explode.
The EU is not going to explode and if it was, it needs to be defused because there is nowhere far enough away that we can escape the blast.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 09, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
The EU is not going to explode and if it was, it needs to be defused because there is nowhere far enough away that we can escape the blast.
There is nothing that can stop it now, nothing will defuse it. Even the likes of Juncker are saying it is near to breaking point.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 10, 2016, 10:11:23 AM
There is nothing that can stop it now,
Says Jack Knave out of his know nothing arse.

Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 10, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
Says Jack Knave out of his know nothing arse.
That's my All Knowing arse. Which is wiser than if there were a million of you, which there seems to be judging by the stupidity of the EU.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 10, 2016, 04:23:39 PM
That's my All Knowing arse. Which is wiser than if there were a million of you, which there seems to be judging by the stupidity of the EU.
You know Jack Shit. You have no idea what will happen to the EU over the next few years. Your opinion is based on blind prejudice derived from the xenophobic echo chamber of EU haters.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 10, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
You know Jack Shit. You have no idea what will happen to the EU over the next few years. Your opinion is based on blind prejudice derived from the xenophobic echo chamber of EU haters.
If the EU is in such splendid health why do you want to reform it. Wouldn't a little tweak do it?
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 11, 2016, 11:10:24 AM
If the EU is in such splendid health why do you want to reform it. Wouldn't a little tweak do it?

My proposals - apart from the Euro one maybe - really only amount to a tweak.

Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Humph Warden Bennett on August 11, 2016, 03:57:11 PM
Once we leave the EU, the current red (burgundy?) EU passports will become obsolete as they expire.  Should the old blue be brought back to replace it, or should it be a different colour altogether?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36952010

No, although no doubt Pukip would like the idea of wasting money on something like this. After all what price sovereignty? :P
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: L.A. on August 11, 2016, 04:33:30 PM
No, although no doubt Pukip would like the idea of wasting money on something like this. After all what price sovereignty? :P

Out of all the myriad of problems that now desperately need solving as a result of Brexit - spending time and money considering the colour of the passport is rather like the proverbial rearranging of the deckchairs of the Titanic.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 11, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Out of all the myriad of problems that now desperately need solving as a result of Brexit - spending time and money considering the colour of the passport is rather like the proverbial rearranging of the deckchairs of the Titanic.

Here's what I think:

New passports (after we have left the EU) should be blue, but otherwise identical to current passports.

There you go, fixed the issue without spending any time and money. All we need is a minor change to the order to the passport book manufacturers.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 12, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
My proposals - apart from the Euro one maybe - really only amount to a tweak.
Which doesn't surprise me because you have no idea of the real problems involved.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 12, 2016, 06:22:17 PM
Which doesn't surprise me because you have no idea of the real problems involved.
I have a better idea than you
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: Jack Knave on August 12, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
I have a better idea than you
Really?? You're hiding it very well if you have. Perhaps it's so good it is even canny enough to elude from you. Look down the back of your pants it's probably there.
Title: Re: Should the old blue passport make a come-back?
Post by: jeremyp on August 12, 2016, 07:36:03 PM
Really?? You're hiding it very well if you have.

for a man who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "justification" you seem to be a bit arrogant.

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Perhaps it's so good it is even canny enough to elude from you.
Why not construct a meaningful English sentence?