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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on August 24, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
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Given established right wing bias in the BBC and it's bloated nature. The clock must be ticking before mass sackings and review of the BBC.
How did the BBC get into the position where it mainly accepts Government statistics and left the statistics and claims of Right wing Brexitters unchallenged? And it's focus on humiliating Labour.
If an internal investigation over it's own conduct doesn't occur that will be further evidence.
A recent example is the BBC's slimy reposte to Scotland's claim warning of Brexit problems.
Another is the Jeremy Corbyn Chair business.
The BBC must love the saps around here who allow the BBC to act like Sky because they are afraid of, er, Sky.
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Given established right wing bias in the BBC and it's bloated nature. The clock must be ticking before mass sackings and review of the BBC.
How did the BBC get into the position where it mainly accepts Government statistics and left the statistics and claims of Right wing Brexitters unchallenged? And it's focus on humiliating Labour.
If an internal investigation over it's own conduct doesn't occur that will be further evidence.
A recent example is the BBC's slimy reposte to Scotland's claim warning of Brexit problems.
Another is the Jeremy Corbyn Chair business.
The BBC must love the saps around here who allow the BBC to act like Sky because they are afraid of, er, Sky.
It's the first time I have heard the BEEB described as 'Right Wing' ! Most people believe that it is run by 'Arty-Farty-Lefties'.
I agree that the institution is 'Bloated' and they were really crap at presenting the referendum debate. They seemed determined to 'balance' the two sides even when the Brexiteers were clearly lying through their teeth.
(I'm not aware that Jeremy had a chair business, I can't imagine him organising a piss-up in a brewery)
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British Brainwashing Corporation.
British Bloated Corporation
Boys Backing Cronyism
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Given established right wing bias in the BBC and it's bloated nature.
Where has this been established?
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British Brainwashing Corporation.
British Bloated Corporation
Boys Backing Cronyism
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I was going to write that I suspect that when Vlad was a baby, he was kissed by a fairy and given the gift of seeing everything in a totally different way than anyone else. But now JP has me wondering whether or not there may have been some viral infection instead.
I don't think that there is much evidence that the BBC is a right-wing organisation. I thought that the last Secretary of State for Culture Etc Etc, the redoubtable John Witlessdaie ..oops... Whittingdale wanted to get rid of the Beeb and possibly privatise it - or he may have been waiting for his spiritual advisors (the Murdochs) to give him some such instruction.
The Cameron government certainly failed to see the value of the BBC and wanted to bring it to heel.
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I think that the BEEB have over-stepped the mark in many ways. The government gave them a big pot of cash for the digital switchover and relocation to Salford Quays and they seem to have been 'Empire Building' ever since.
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I was going to write that I suspect that when Vlad was a baby, he was kissed by a fairy and given the gift of seeing everything in a totally different way than anyone else. But now JP has me wondering whether or not there may have been some viral infection instead.
I don't think that there is much evidence that the BBC is a right-wing organisation. I thought that the last Secretary of State for Culture Etc Etc, the redoubtable John Witlessdaie ..oops... Whittingdale wanted to get rid of the Beeb and possibly privatise it - or he may have been waiting for his spiritual advisors (the Murdochs) to give him some such instruction.
The Cameron government certainly failed to see the value of the BBC and wanted to bring it to heel.
A recent report, presumably based on air time, states that most BBC political statements are based on information provided by the government.
The BBC failure to challenge Brexit versions was palpable.
As is the focus on the labour party.
The majority of BBC political correspondence is drawn from the public school system with many having conservative connection.
What is the evidence for left wing bias?
I would imagine left wing bias means less than total subservience to right wing views. The right wing have form in that respect.
If the BBC have freedom from right wing bias it is the freedom to promote sensationalism in news and hence society.
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I was going to write that I suspect that when Vlad was a baby, he was kissed by a fairy and given the gift of seeing everything in a totally different way than anyone else. But now JP has me wondering whether or not there may have been some viral infection instead.
I'm sure once you have exhausted the tools of denial you will come to the truth.
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Given established right wing bias in the BBC and it's bloated nature. The clock must be ticking before mass sackings and review of the BBC.
And what 'established right wing bias' would that be, Vlad. Remember that there are as many accusations of its left wing bias as its right wing bias - suggestion that it is pretty solidly middle of the road.
How did the BBC get into the position where it mainly accepts Government statistics and left the statistics and claims of Right wing Brexitters unchallenged? And it's focus on humiliating Labour.
Interestingly, Vlad, it produces and uses as many of its own statistics as Government stats. It also uses Opposition stats pretty regularly. Secondly, what 'focus on humiliating Labour'? Not only are Labour very busy humiliating themselves, many media outlets are reporting the whole thing - and just as idealistically.
If an internal investigation over it's own conduct doesn't occur that will be further evidence.
What would you expect such an investigation to reveal? Would an independent investigation find anything similar? Remember that one reason the current Government has been so determined to demolish the BBC's influence is because of the left-wing bias that they believe exists throughout the BBC.
A recent example is the BBC's slimy reposte to Scotland's claim warning of Brexit problems.
hadn't realised that there was a BBC reposte as such. Seem to remember that the BBC has produced some excellent, and balanced 'riposts' to both Bremain and Brexit arguments.
Another is the Jeremy Corbyn Chair business.
Is that related to the Virgin train video, JC has produced?
The BBC must love the saps around here who allow the BBC to act like Sky because they are afraid of, er, Sky.
Saps like yourself, by any chance?
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A recent report, presumably based on air time, states that most BBC political statements are based on information provided by the government.
Citation required, Vlad, please.
The BBC failure to challenge Brexit versions was palpable.
Perhaps you missed all the ones I saw.
As is the focus on the labour party.
I think you'll find that the whole media is focussing on the Labour Party.
What is the evidence for left wing bias?
About the same as the evidence for right wing bias.
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British Brainwashing Corporation.
British Bloated Corporation
Boys Backing Cronyism
First time I've actually heard the Labour Party referred to in this way, but it does seem to fit it. ;)
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Citation required, Vlad, please.
Perhaps you missed all the ones I saw.
I think you'll find that the whole media is focussing on the Labour Party.
About the same as the evidence for right wing bias.
If most of what the BBC states politically is provided by the Conservative party and if the focus of coverage is on and around the gaffes of the opposition parties then I'm afraid that is by definition right wing bias.
Next comment please.
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If most of what the BBC states politically is provided by the Conservative party and if the focus of coverage is on and around the gaffes of the opposition parties then I'm afraid that is by definition right wing bias.
Next comment please.
Vlad, you accused the BBC of being in a 'position where it mainly accepts Government statistics'. Having listened to the BBC for several decades now, I'd suggest that it does this no more now than it has done in every other decade I've been alive.
By the way, I'm still waiting for a link to this 'recent report' you referred to. Citation, please.
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List of articles on tonights BBC website political page tonight.
Owen smith opposes Brexit
Corbyn railways
Corbyn train incident
Article 50
Brexit
Corbyn angered by press
Thatcher
Corbyn
Zola Budd
welsh labour leader angered
Microbeads
Loyds Bank
NHS
Jo Cox
Sturgeon
Yes Minister
Corbyn angry
Owen smith defends himself
corbyn video
Corbyn supporters disagree with BBC view on traingate
Derek Hatton on Corbyns chances (FFS)
Labour leader contest
Mays cabinet
Shadow cabinet
Thatcher
Brexit
Greens
Corbyn traingate
Labour pledges
Green party
Can Owen smith beat Corbyn
Mp's holidays
Brexit.
So that's sixteen articles on Labour mostly highlighting problems.
One aged article on the May government.
That in a supposed democracy and free press is fucking atrocious.
The BBC is a licence to be shit at journalism
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If most of what the BBC states politically is provided by the Conservative party and if the focus of coverage is on and around the gaffes of the opposition parties then I'm afraid that is by definition right wing bias.
Next comment please.
So not established then in any way other than in your opinion.
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So that's sixteen articles on Labour mostly highlighting problems.
One aged article on the May government.
That in a supposed democracy and free press is fucking atrocious.
The BBC is a licence to be shit at journalism
Is the |Tory party trying to pull itself apart? Is Theresa May trying to argue with a fellow Tory MP over the leadership of the Tory Party?
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So not established then in any way other than in your opinion.
See the survey on BBC online political news coverage above.
I will be doing similar surveys in future.
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Is the |Tory party trying to pull itself apart? Is Theresa May trying to argue with a fellow Tory MP over the leadership of the Tory Party?
Well if the BBC deems fit that on it's coverage for today there is only one aged story about the tory government as opposed to everything else focussing on the difficulties opposition parties how will we ever know?
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See the survey on BBC online political news coverage above.
I will be doing similar surveys in future.
That's what is happening at the moment. You will need to do a lot more surveys and do some statistical analysis before you can claim anything is established. Until then it is your opinion.
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That's what is happening at the moment. You will need to do a lot more surveys and do some statistical analysis before you can claim anything is established. Until then it is your opinion.
Even a day of this is unacceptable.
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See the survey on BBC online political news coverage above.
I will be doing similar surveys in future.
Surveys of the BBC on-line political news coverage show that it reflects the political events of our and other nations' political machines, Vlad. I would suggest that a month or two ago, the number of negative stories about the Tory party out-numbered those about the Labour Party. On that score, the BBC would appear to have a left-wing bias. By the way, some of your 'Labour-related' stories are a month or two old, in the same way that the May-story you mention is.
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Surveys of the BBC on-line political news coverage show that it reflects the political events of our and other nations' political machines, Vlad. I would suggest that a month or two ago, the number of negative stories about the Tory party out-numbered those about the Labour Party. On that score, the BBC would appear to have a left-wing bias. By the way, some of your 'Labour-related' stories are a month or two old, in the same way that the May-story you mention is.
This talks about the BBC trust report on BBC overuse (dependency?) of figures from the government.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/10/bbc-tory-government-statistics-conservatives
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Even a day of this is unacceptable.
So they shouldn't report what is happening for political reasons?
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So they shouldn't report what is happening for political reasons?
16 stories about the opposition mostly about the troubles against 1 old story about Mays cabinet.
That is appalling.
16 stories about the opposition 8 stories about the Government barely acceptable.
16 stories about the opposition 12 about the government acceptable.
It's not a question of shouldn't report it's a question of should but aren't.
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16 stories about the opposition mostly about the troubles against 1 old story about Mays cabinet.
That is appalling.
16 stories about the opposition 8 stories about the Government barely acceptable.
16 stories about the opposition 12 about the government acceptable.
It's not a question of shouldn't report it's a question of should but aren't.
What are the 12 current stories about the government they should be featuring in the current news?
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What are the 12 current stories about the government they should be featuring in the current news?
What a stupid question.
Given the data provided are we to believe there is nothing going on which is worth reporting about the party of Government.
Why for instance is the same labour story 'traingate' repackaged in about five or six different articles.
I am not a journalist. There are people on big licence fee salaries who are. They are not doing there jobs since three quarters of their political statistics are provided by the Government.
What we are left with is that three quarters of statistical information on the BBC is provided by Government making the BBC a mouthpiece and on a day old information on the composition of the new cabinet.
If this is all alright to you then you must be some kind of Francoist.
BBC online is therefore a journalistic disaster.
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What a stupid question.
Which means you can't provide the answer.
Given the data provided are we to believe there is nothing going on which is worth reporting about the party of Government.
What has 'Given the data' got to do with it? What are the current stories about the Government that should be being reported?
Why for instance is the same labour story 'traingate' repackaged in about five or six different articles.
Common practice if you visit the BBC News page regularly you will always see that happening.
I am not a journalist. There are people on big licence fee salaries who are. They are not doing there jobs since three quarters of their political statistics are provided by the Government.
This came from a report reported on in the Guardian you linked to. This article also included quotes such as 'the report said that the BBC’s reporting of statistics was “commendable”' and “Overall I have been impressed by the BBC’s commitment to helping audiences understand the world we live in, and helping them navigate through complex data and statistics,”. Perhaps your selective reference to the use if Government statistics shows your own bias?
What we are left with is that three quarters of statistical information on the BBC is provided by Government making the BBC a mouthpiece and on a day old information on the composition of the new cabinet.
That's not what the report said.
If this is all alright to you then you must be some kind of Francoist.
Such a situation would not be alright with me, but that is not what the report says. If you think I'm a Francoist hen you clearly don't know me.
BBC online is therefore a journalistic disaster.
Again not what the report says.
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Which means you can't provide the answer.
What has 'Given the data' got to do with it? What are the current stories about the Government that should be being reported?
Common practice if you visit the BBC News page regularly you will always see that happening.
This came from a report reported on in the Guardian you linked to. This article also included quotes such as 'the report said that the BBC’s reporting of statistics was “commendable”' and “Overall I have been impressed by the BBC’s commitment to helping audiences understand the world we live in, and helping them navigate through complex data and statistics,”. Perhaps your selective reference to the use if Government statistics shows your own bias?
That's not what the report said.
Such a situation would not be alright with me, but that is not what the report says. If you think I'm a Francoist hen you clearly don't know me.
Again not what the report says.
You are putting an opinion......The BBC is ''commendable'' above the statistics namely 3/4 of figures used by the BBC in respect to politics comes from the party of government.
Also you see fit to ignore that yesterday 16 stories were focussed on the opposition parties, several new against one old report on the Government.
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You are putting an opinion......The BBC is ''commendable'' above the statistics namely 3/4 of figures used by the BBC in respect to politics comes from the party of government.
Does that mean they come from the party of government or from the government. For example, the Office of National Statistics provides many of the figures that come from the government, but it is not, in any way biased.
Also you see fit to ignore that yesterday 16 stories were focussed on the opposition parties, several new against one old report on the Government.
The Labour Party is in the midst of a leadership election and its current leader just made a fool of himself (again). What else are you expecting?
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Does that mean they come from the party of government or from the government. For example, the Office of National Statistics provides many of the figures that come from the government, but it is not, in any way biased.
The Labour Party is in the midst of a leadership election and its current leader just made a fool of himself (again). What else are you expecting?
Firstly the Government is the party of Government.
Secondly ''making a fool of oneself'' should be the province of light entertainment not serious journalism.
Thirdly It adds up to only knowing about Government ,what Government wants us to know and a BBC that wants us reinforce that labour are ''a joke''.
Fourthly, There are 17 opposition stories against 1 old story on the composition of Mays cabinet and a story on immigration
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You are putting an opinion......The BBC is ''commendable'' above the statistics namely 3/4 of figures used by the BBC in respect to politics comes from the party of government.
No I'm not. That was a quote from the article and presumably from the report. I haven't expressed an opinion.
Also you see fit to ignore that yesterday 16 stories were focussed on the opposition parties, several new against one old report on the Government.
Nope - and since I have commented on this hard to understand why you think I have ignored it. Taking one day, doing a rough count of topics, then declaring a bias has been established is unreasonable. As I pointed out you would need to do a long study and do a lot of analysis before you could claim such a thing. Without that it is just your opinion and may display your own bias.
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Tonight on Politics BBC online 19 opposition stories 2 on government including one where the government is giving statistics.
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Tonight on Politics BBC online 19 opposition stories 2 on government including one where the government is giving statistics.
And the Guardian has a similar split. I think it's because Labour are generating all the news at the moment.
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And the Guardian has a similar split. I think it's because Labour are generating all the news at the moment.
Surely the Guardian are just the puppets of the capitalists controlling the supposed liberal papers
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August 26
16 opposition stories 4 Tory/Government stories. Source BBC Online politics page.
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August 26
16 opposition stories 4 Tory/Government stories. Source BBC Online politics page.
And? Are the stories negative or positive?
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And? Are the stories negative or positive?
That is important of course but it represents relative silence from or on the Government
I think 2 or 3 may be about the difficulties for UKIP, 1 about the difficulties of the greens
and the usual 6 or 7 around Corbyn.
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Dear Vlad, ( or should it be Dearest Vlad )
Maybe I have my Vlad tinted glasses on ( again ) but I agree with you, Auntie Beeb is my main source of info for all things, be it political, religious or just general news, but for me I see the bias, throughout the EU referendum I searched the BBC for Corbyn but I had to dig to find any news, yes the man was lackluster regarding EU, and yes he is no Winston Churchill, he lacks sound bites, but he was consistent, but he is the leader of the labour party, did they give him full coverage, in a nutshell, no!
Now we go on to the Labour leadership, Corbyn is trouncing Smith, not beating, trouncing, where is the coverage on that, where is the coverage stating that Smith should go away, Smith is only harming the Labour party, but maybe the faithful Labour supporters want soundbite, they want, we will fight them on the beaches!!
You are right, how do we take back our BBC.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Vlad, ( or should it be Dearest Vlad )
Maybe I have my Vlad tinted glasses on ( again ) but I agree with you, Auntie Beeb is my main source of info for all things, be it political, religious or just general news, but for me I see the bias, throughout the EU referendum I searched the BBC for Corbyn but I had to dig to find any news, yes the man was lackluster regarding EU, and yes he is no Winston Churchill, he lacks sound bites, but he was consistent, but he is the leader of the labour party, did they give him full coverage, in a nutshell, no!
Now we go on to the Labour leadership, Corbyn is trouncing Smith, not beating, trouncing, where is the coverage on that, where is the coverage stating that Smith should go away, Smith is only harming the Labour party, but maybe the faithful Labour supporters want soundbite, they want, we will fight them on the beaches!!
You are right, how do we take back our BBC.
Gonnagle.
you want the BBCto say who should be leader of the Labour party?
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Dear Sane,
I want the Beeb to report ambiguously, and they are not, it is there in your face to see, whats is important is what the government is doing, tell me what the government is doing, the Labour leadership is second hand news, the country wants to know what the those in charge are doing.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
I want the Beeb to report ambiguously, and they are not, it is there in your face to see, whats is important is what the government is doing, tell me what the government is doing, the Labour leadership is second hand news, the country wants to know what the those in charge are doing.
Gonnagle.
What does 'ambiguously' here mean? Why is the opposition leader candidates where one says the other is a liar, second hand news!
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Dear Sane,
Vlad is right, live with it, the facts are there, the Beeb is pro Con and anti Labour, unless they are Blairite Labour.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Sane,
Vlad is right, live with it, the facts are there, the Beeb is pro Con and anti Labour, unless they are Blairite Labour.
Gonnagle.
Are they? Which facts? Surely concentrating on the opposition with some positive stories is biased to Labour?
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Dear Sane,
Vlad is right, live with it, the facts are there, the Beeb is pro Con and anti Labour, unless they are Blairite Labour.
Gonnagle.
Sorry, Gonners; if you were to look at the Welsh pages, you'd find a lot more pro-Labour items; on the Scottish pages, more SNP-related items; Northern Ireland, a mix of DUP, SDLP and Sinn Fein stuff. If we were to take them as the measurements of bias, we'd get different answers from Vlad's. Perhaps more important than that is the fact that all the parties regard the BBC as being biased against them.
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Dear Sane,
I want the Beeb to report ambiguously, and they are not, it is there in your face to see, whats is important is what the government is doing, tell me what the government is doing, the Labour leadership is second hand news, the country wants to know what the those in charge are doing.
Gonnagle.
Gonners, have you ever known the media cover 'what the government is doing' during August? Combine that with the excitement around the strange goings-on in the Labour and UKI Parties, why would they be interested in a blank canvas?
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Sorry, Gonners; if you were to look at the Welsh pages, you'd find a lot more pro-Labour items; on the Scottish pages, more SNP-related items; Northern Ireland, a mix of DUP, SDLP and Sinn Fein stuff. If we were to take them as the measurements of bias, we'd get different answers from Vlad's. Perhaps more important than that is the fact that all the parties regard the BBC as being biased against them.
the idea that many people think something is biased means it isn't, doesn't make sense
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Maybe I have my Vlad tinted glasses on ( again ) but I agree with you, Auntie Beeb is my main source of info for all things, be it political, religious or just general news, but for me I see the bias, throughout the EU referendum I searched the BBC for Corbyn but I had to dig to find any news, yes the man was lackluster regarding EU, and yes he is no Winston Churchill, he lacks sound bites, but he was consistent, but he is the leader of the labour party, did they give him full coverage, in a nutshell, no!
Totally lack-lustier I agree, he could be the 'man from the council' come round to clear the drains - except he seems to be totally incapable to doing anything so useful.
Now we go on to the Labour leadership, Corbyn is trouncing Smith, not beating, trouncing, where is the coverage on that, where is the coverage stating that Smith should go away, Smith is only harming the Labour party, but maybe the faithful Labour supporters want soundbite, they want, we will fight them on the beaches!!
Gonnagle, I've never been a great fan of Labour but I would at least like to see a functioning opposition. If Labour can't free themselves form this idiot, it will be very bad news for Labour and quite possibly the country. UKIP are in a position where they might steal a significant section of the Labour vote and move this country 'quite a bit' to the Right.
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I'd have to say I'm fairly cynical about news reporting.
It seems to me that there are two elements involved: what is is considered newsworthy and what is considered important. Where these undoubtedly coincide, such as recent events in Italy, then it is justifiably a focus of news reporting: similarly where there are significant political or social conflicts that involve effects on people.
However there can also be a subjective element, such as when politicians regard themselves as being both newsworthy and important - an example in the previous government when the woeful Danny Alexander delivered his Lib-Dem propaganda version of the real Budget to an almost empty HoC: it was a stunt, but it still made the BBC news!
Then there are our personal subjective preferences: so for me the received wisdom that when one of the royals manages to successfully walk and talk at the same time, or perhaps someone has managed to kick (or hit) a ball in the right direction, this is deemed to be newsworthy and important enough for mainstream national news reporting utterly baffles me.
I don't suppose I'm alone in my cynicism.
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However there can also be a subjective element, such as when politicians regard themselves as being both newsworthy and important - an example in the previous government when the woeful Danny Alexander delivered his Lib-Dem propaganda version of the real Budget to an almost empty HoC: it was a stunt, but it still made the BBC news!
Hi Gordon,
The BEEB do often seem to have an agenda, thought it's quite difficult to work-out what it might be. I suspect that they are usually just 'bending over backwards' to be 'even handed'. Presumably it the case you quote, someone had worked-out that they were a bit low on Lib Dem coverage.
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Hi Gordon,
The BEEB do often seem to have an agenda, thought it's quite difficult to work-out what it might be. I suspect that they are usually just 'bending over backwards' to be 'even handed'. Presumably it the case you quote, someone had worked-out that they were a bit low on Lib Dem coverage.
The lack of news about the government except when what news there is is provided by the government and a concurrent focus on the problems of opposition parties isn't quite what I would call even handed.
If there is an alternative to the BBC increasingly being an arm of the Governing party then it is serving politics like sport. Politics in this model according to the BBC is about winners and losers. We, the BBC support the Man.UTD of politics, the Governing party because they are winners and we want you to know that we will cover all their winning matches (hence the lack of coverage). But there are some interesting matches going on in the lower leagues (The other parties) Jones V Corbyn. UKIP councillors Vs UKIP MEPs.....................Yes that model fits.
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The lack of news about the government except when what news there is is provided by the government and a concurrent focus on the problems of opposition parties isn't quite what I would call even handed.
If there is an alternative to the BBC increasingly being an arm of the Governing party then it is serving politics like sport. Politics in this model according to the BBC is about winners and losers. We, the BBC support the Man.UTD of politics, the Governing party because they are winners and we want you to know that we will cover all their winning matches (hence the lack of coverage). But there are some interesting matches going on in the lower leagues (The other parties) Jones V Corbyn. UKIP councillors Vs UKIP MEPs.....................Yes that model fits.
The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.
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The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.
the thing I struggle with about Vlad's case is the question of them using Govt statistics. It is part of the govt role to provide the stats so where else would they come from?
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The BEEB is a very strange organisation, it's semi-autonomous status makes it pretty unique. I think you can criticise it on a great many levels, but I don't believe that it is simply a government mouth-piece.
But the evidence shows that it is heavily dependent on Government statements to the tune of three quarters of output.
That suggests only a quarter of like information is from other sources. It would be interesting to see how much of political coverage is in fact not coverage but opinion. I think we can guess that in ball park terms.
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But the evidence shows that it is heavily dependent on Government statements to the tune of three quarters of output.
That suggests only a quarter of like information is from other sources. It would be interesting to see how much of political coverage is in fact not coverage but opinion. I think we can guess that in ball park terms.
your original statement here was statistics and not statements and not output. You are now arguing against yourself by the way because you are stating that three quarters of the BBC output but that all the stories are about the opposition and not govt statements
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the thing I struggle with about Vlad's case is the question of them using Govt statistics. It is part of the govt role to provide the stats so where else would they come from?
I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.
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I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.
eh?
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eh?
No Manuel, you're meant to say Que? Not eh?
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I think these are politically relevant statistics.
So political issue-Get statistics...but the bbc works on a system political issue- Go to Government. I think......Don't take it from me look at the Guardian article.
Most stats are politically-relevant, in some way or another, Vlad. Whilst I enjoy the Guardian, in the same way that I enjoy the Times and the Independent, I don't always accept the premisses that underlie articles that appear in the 3 papers. As I have said several times before, when media with different political allegiances all accuse a public body of bias against the particular political stance they support, it suggests that the accused organisation is pretty neutral.
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The lack of news about the government except when what news there is is provided by the government and a concurrent focus on the problems of opposition parties isn't quite what I would call even handed.
Vlad, since the whole body-political is currently on holiday, what news about the governing party - let alone the Government as a whole - is there? We have only had a summer of Labour Party stories because there is a massive upheaval within that party. It would be a 'big story' whether it was the party of Government or of Opposition. Remember, also, that Government requires both a governing party AND a fully-functioning opposition party.
If there is an alternative to the BBC increasingly being an arm of the Governing party then it is serving politics like sport. Politics in this model according to the BBC is about winners and losers. We, the BBC support the Man.UTD of politics, the Governing party because they are winners and we want you to know that we will cover all their winning matches (hence the lack of coverage). But there are some interesting matches going on in the lower leagues (The other parties) Jones V Corbyn. UKIP councillors Vs UKIP MEPs.....................Yes that model fits.
eh? Remember that several of the 'Brexit' articles that have appeared on the BBC website have had a lot to say about - often negative - about the ministers that TM appointed to oversee the Brexit process.
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Blue Labour versus Red Labour..
Of course, Blue Labour wins..
People are selfish and like to think they are more important than others, even though they are not the top of their ladder..
...even though that ladder is beneath them..
Whatever happened to the likely lads??
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Blue Labour versus Red Labour..
Of course, Blue Labour wins..
People are selfish and like to think they are more important than others, even though they are not the top of their ladder..
...even though that ladder is beneath them..
Whatever happened to the likely lads??
Ricky, if anything its Magenta Labour v Red Labour - though I'm not sure we've ever had a truly 'red' Labour Party. If anything, Jeremy is probably a magenta shade, and the Blairites are a plum shade.
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Ricky, if anything its Magenta Labour v Red Labour - though I'm not sure we've ever had a truly 'red' Labour Party. If anything, Jeremy is probably a magenta shade, and the Blairites are a plum shade.
More like the realists verses the fantasists.