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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on August 30, 2016, 11:04:16 AM
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Hi everyone,
Aliens could be contacting us....! Really.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/30/health/seti-signal-hd-164595-alien-civilization/index.html
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Astronomers engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) are training their instruments on a star around 94 light years from Earth after a very strong signal was detected by a Russian telescope.
"The signal from HD 164595 is intriguing, because it comes from the vicinity of a sun-like star, and if it's artificial, its strength is great enough that it was clearly made by a civilization with capabilities beyond those of humankind," astronomer Douglas Vakoch, president of METI International, which searches for life beyond Earth, tells CNN.
Whenever a strong signal is detected, "it's a good possibility for some nearby civilization to be detected," Maccone tells CNN.
Paul Gilster of the Tau Zero Foundation, which conducts interstellar research, said that if the signal was artificial, its strength suggested it would have to come from a civilization more advanced than our own.
Such a civilization would likely be Type II on the Kardashev scale, an attempt by the Soviet astronomer of the same name to categorize various technological stages of civilizations.
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Of course it could just be a supernova or something.... We have had such false alarms before. :)
Cheers.
Sriram
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Just as it would be surprising if Earth was the only planet in the universe to host intelligent life forms, it would be also surprising if aliens weren't trying to explore their bit of space for signs of life.
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Floo
Where on earth did you get the term 'intelligent' from ?!?!?! ;) ;D
Totally agree anyway !!
Nick
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It gives me no pleasure to have to report that this was a false alarm (http://earthsky.org/space/hd-164595-signal-alien-civilization-seti)
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Dear Floo,
Just as it would be surprising if Earth was the only planet in the universe to host intelligent life forms, it would be also surprising if aliens weren't trying to explore their bit of space for signs of life.
True, so very true, wait for it, wait for it!!!......................this Universe is so finely tuned to make life possible, why is that, why Floo!! "WHY".
Old Blue will be along in a minute to tell us all about about multiverses and that we are just lucky enough to exist in this one life giving Universe, I am a puddle which just happens to fit, a thinking puddle :o :o
Talking of Aliens, I miss old Alan and his chunterings :(
Gonnagle.
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True, so very true, wait for it, wait for it!!!......................this Universe is so finely tuned to make life possible, why is that, why Floo!! "WHY".
It doesn't look finely tuned to me. Most of what we can see of the Universe is completely inhospitable to life of any sort.
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Dear Floo,
True, so very true, wait for it, wait for it!!!......................this Universe is so finely tuned to make life possible, why is that, why Floo!! "WHY".
Old Blue will be along in a minute to tell us all about about multiverses and that we are just lucky enough to exist in this one life giving Universe, I am a puddle which just happens to fit, a thinking puddle :o :o
Talking of Aliens, I miss old Alan and his chunterings :(
Gonnagle.
I still don't get the fine tuning argument. Yes life exists, yes some small changes might mean it didn't but there is a leap to what exists is the purpose that I don't think can be made.
And even if we ask the why, how do we get to any answer. If you answer it with a who or even a what you end up with an infinite regress.
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Dear Jeremyp,
Most of!! most of!! We are a tiny speck in something we can't even imagine, its vastness is.................... well actually I don't have a word to describe its vastness, how about "mind blowingly unimaginable".
Gonnagle.
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Dear Jeremyp,
Most of!! most of!! We are a tiny speck in something we can't even imagine, its vastness is.................... well actually I don't have a word to describe its vastness, how about "mind blowingly unimaginable".
Gonnagle.
So it would be strange if other tiny specks in the vast universe of ours didn't have the right conditions to produce life forms like us, imo.
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Dear Floo,
Our Universe!! Wonder if E.T thinks, our Universe :o :o
Gonnagle.
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The signals were emanating from an old Soviet military satellite....! These astronomers, I tell ya!
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2016/09/mystery-alien-signal-from-hercules-constellation-was-from-a-russian-military-satellite-russian-news-.html
Big joke...isn't it?!
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Dear Floo,
True, so very true, wait for it, wait for it!!!......................this Universe is so finely tuned to make life possible, why is that, why Floo!! "WHY".
Old Blue will be along in a minute to tell us all about about multiverses and that we are just lucky enough to exist in this one life giving Universe, I am a puddle which just happens to fit, a thinking puddle :o :o
Talking of Aliens, I miss old Alan and his chunterings :(
Gonnagle.
It's not finely tuned for life at all.
You exist on a very thin layer on our planet.
How well would you do on Mars, or Venus or in the vast space between?
The universe is tuned to kill you, and it will succeed.
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It's not finely tuned for life at all.
You exist on a very thin layer on out planet.
The universe is tuned to kill you.
And that is the point. Any tiny event can wipe out all life on earth. But life has survived for 3 billion years and evolved to be so complex and intelligent. If the probability of humans evolving is calculated, it would be Zero.....but here we are!
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And that is the point. Any tiny event can wipe out all life on earth. But life has survived for 3 billion years and evolved to be so complex and intelligent. If the probability of humans evolving is calculated, it would be Zero.....but here we are!
Why would it be zero?
This is just the lottery winner syndrome.
Something (ANYTHING) that gains enough intelligence to think "I am here, what are the odds?"
Given the size and opportunities in the universe (which we don't know) why would the odds be low, and not high at some point?
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Why would it be zero?
This is just the lottery winner syndrome.
Something (ANYTHING) that gains enough intelligence to think "I am here, what are the odds?"
Given the size and opportunities in the universe (which we don't know) why would the odds be low, and not high at some point?
The lottery example is nonsense. A lottery is declared and someone WILL win. There is no doubt about that. Who will win is the only doubt.
Life has not been declared by anyone.
A video on the probability of a single protein forming by chance....forget about complex life evolving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh048UW2Tj4
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Dear Berational,
Wot Sriram just said but with finely tuned bells on ;)
How well would you do on Mars, or Venus or in the vast space between?
A very human reply, a bit like Jeremyp's reply of "most of what we see" Mars, Venus, the bits we see, who knows what is happening in the great vastness of our/this Universe.
Gonnagle.
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The lottery example is nonsense. A lottery is declared and someone WILL win. There is no doubt about that. Who will win is the only doubt.
Not with the British lottery.
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The lottery example is nonsense. A lottery is declared and someone WILL win. There is no doubt about that. Who will win is the only doubt.
Life has not been declared by anyone.
A video on the probability of a single protein forming by chance....forget about complex life evolving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh048UW2Tj4
No you are wrong.
If no life exists then the question does not arise.
Only if and when it does exist could those creatures say "Hey this universe is designed for me", and they would be wrong.
In every other universe where no life of any sort is possible, what do the creatures there think?
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Dear Berational,
I don't say "Hey this universe is designed for me"
I say this Universe is designed for, set up for, or rather those pesky scientists say, seem to be finely adjusted
or initial state of the Universe must have been carefully chosen
For life.
This Universe brought forth life, we don't have any other Universes to compare.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Berational,
I don't say
I say this Universe is designed for, set up for, or rather those pesky scientists say, or
For life.
This Universe brought forth life, we don't have any other Universes to compare.
Gonnagle.
But any universe that just happens to also have life will have those creatures thinking "this was setup for me".
It may not have been that way, and was just luck. Universes that do not support life do not have creatures saying "this universe was not setup for me"
So your observation is just a silly truism.
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Dear Berational,
Luck!! Did we only need to get lucky once, or was it a serious series of lucky breaks?
Gonnagle.
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Dear Berational,
Luck!! Did we only need to get lucky once, or was it a serious of lucky breaks?
Gonnagle.
Life evolved to fit the circumstances, (the so called Goldilocks zone), that are available here on earth.
You still haven't got a grasp on how evolution works Gonners?
ippy
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And that is the point. Any tiny event can wipe out all life on earth. But life has survived for 3 billion years and evolved to be so complex and intelligent. If the probability of humans evolving is calculated, it would be Zero.....but here we are!
Intelligent life from elementary particles is fantastically rare, but also space and time are mind-numbingly huge. Maybe there is a simple probabilistic relationship there of the form, complexity varies inversely with the size of spacetime. Or put another way, the size of spacetime limits the maximum complexity it contains. It seems that intelligent life is an inevitable outcome of the natural laws of this cosmos and its rarity is also the measure of its complexity.
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Whilst I believe it is probable that humanoid species exist elsewhere in this vast universe I think it is unlikely they have ever visited our planet.
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Whilst I believe it is probable that humanoid species exist elsewhere in this vast universe I think it is unlikely they have ever visited our planet.
I've yet to make my statement to the world, I'll keep you posted Floo.
Let's hope Star Trek lives forever.
ippy
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I've yet to make my statement to the world, I'll keep you posted Floo.
Let's hope Star Trek lives forever.
ippy
OMG, I must have got it wrong ippy is really an alien! :D
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/advanced-aliens-could-conquer-and-colonise-our-planet-warns-stephen-hawking/ar-BBwg5ie?li=AAdeCd7&ocid=spartandhp
I have just seen this, Stephen Hawkins believes there is no doubt aliens exist.
I am beginning to wonder if one or two posters on this forum are really aliens in disguise? :D
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Oh definitely, floo, we are surrounded by shape changing lizards and don't realize it (maybe just as well)! :D
(Later: aliens are definitely at work here! I posted this earlier and it ended up on a thread about women wearing high heels at work!)
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Aliens may definitely be among us....! Not necessarily from exoplanets. They could be from other universes that surround us.
In earlier days they called them angels or spirits or ghosts or whatever.
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Aliens may definitely be among us....! Not necessarily from exoplanets. They could be from other universes that surround us.
In earlier days they called them angels or spirits or ghosts or whatever.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm!
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Woodsprites too.
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Woodsprites too.
Indeed!
And it's interesting that the Cherokee Indians also have their myths about little people who like their European counterparts can be mischievous.
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0806/cherokee.html
If they didn't get it from us, how did this myth start?
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Woodsprites too.
And the Cherokees called some of them Brownies too
http://www.cherokeecommunityie.org/yunwi-tsunsdi-cherokee-little-people/
One of the stories on there, the forever boy, is faintly reminiscent of Peter Pan.
:)
They call them the Yunwi Tsunsdi – Cherokee Little People.
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Even Australia has aboriginal myths of mischievious little people.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/in-search-of-the-indigenous-little-people-of-northern-australia/story-fn9n8gph-1226903082141
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I think there is more evidence via Myths for little people than there are for events in the bible, although some try to use Myths of the great flood.
But you could argue the evidence for fairies or little people is just as strong, if not stronger.
Myths of mischievous little people seems to be global.
Even Japan seems to have them
http://cryptomundo.com/homo-floresiensis/koropokkuru/
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In all honesty, I've never seen one, or heard one. If I did I'd think I was going potty (I mean really potty), so please no-one say, "There is still time". None of that means they don't exist of course. Or that they aren't aliens come to that.
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It's not finely tuned for life at all.
You exist on a very thin layer on our planet.
How well would you do on Mars, or Venus or in the vast space between?
The universe is tuned to kill you, and it will succeed.
I know it's an ancient posting, but I have been away and just picked-up on it.
I don't think that statement is true. Numerous bacteria are know to be able to survive in extreme conditions. We know that many of the precursors of life exist in cosmic dust clouds and it is quite conceivable that life may have evolved in deep space. Obviously such conditions are hostile to most complex Eukaryotic life-forms such as ourselves, but these lifeforms should be viewed as 'the icing on the cake' of Life - thought interestingly, the relatively complex Tardigrades have been shown to be able to survive in the vacuum of space.
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But any universe that just happens to also have life will have those creatures thinking "this was setup for me".
It may not have been that way, and was just luck. Universes that do not support life do not have creatures saying "this universe was not setup for me"
So your observation is just a silly truism.
Any universe? You have evidence for other universes?
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Any universe? You have evidence for other universes?
Sure he has.
Nick provided it.
Perhaps he would prefer to tell me I am wrong on the following piece of scientific mechanics at the same time...
You see..we now nave every galaxial cloud hurtling away from the impact which accellerated up to the speed of the expanding universe, around 1000 mps. Within these clouds there was already sufficient energy to create all the atoms and stars they now contain but they needed the scientific mechanics. These clouds were spinning up into violent hurricane storms and many tornades within the clouds formed...Now here is the scientific detail, missed by science but which created all the stars and atoms within those clouds. These clouds were hurtling through a static universe where time stands still and any hole between these two separate dimensions created a powerful imploding force.and hurricanes and tornadoes are rather good at creating holes both on a macro scale and the micro scales.
It's all in the Bible you know, which would make it the ultimate source of proof, wouldn't it? :-\
Now you're surely not going to argue with that?