Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on September 03, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
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I can see this becoming an issue in the Presidential election as well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37265886
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The Americans seem to take this 'in-yer-face' patriotism seriously. I recall going to a baseball game once (utterly boring, by the way) and being amazed at all the hand on heart stuff: truly cringeworthy!
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There's a neurosis in there somewhere, and that dangerous.
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There's a neurosis in there somewhere, and that dangerous.
In where?
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Is there any legal requirement for anyone to stand for a national anthem, either here in the UK or the USA or Europe? I appreciate that there may be a form of requirement for members of the military, but for the general public ... ?
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The Americans seem to take this 'in-yer-face' patriotism seriously. I recall going to a baseball game once (utterly boring, by the way) and being amazed at all the hand on heart stuff: truly cringeworthy!
Do American schoolchildren still pledge loyalty to the national flag every morning? If so, how North Korean!
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In where?
Ochlocracy.
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Ochlocracy.
So if a majority might hold an opinion that might be stoked up by n appeal to uniformity that would be ochocracy and in addition a sign of neuroses in your view?
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So if a majority might hold an opinion that might be stoked up by n appeal to uniformity that would be ochocracy and in addition a sign of neuroses in your view?
It depends on the emotional motivations it has. What the Americans have with their flag and all that is similar to the Muslims going AWOL when Mohammed is depicted in cartoons and the like. The fact that they are not tested on this, because they are a powerful nation, doesn't negate the fact that this is hovering below the surface.
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Ochlocracy.
Why don't we just say "mob rule" instead of using high falutin' words that most of us have to look up?
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Muslims going AWOL when Mohammed is depicted in cartoons and the like.
"AWOL" is clearly wrong in this context. The closest I could come up with was "apeshit".
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It depends on the emotional motivations it has. What the Americans have with their flag and all that is similar to the Muslims going AWOL when Mohammed is depicted in cartoons and the like. The fact that they are not tested on this, because they are a powerful nation, doesn't negate the fact that this is hovering below the surface.
and surely is similar to any unique cultural claims. Any statement about 'emotional motivations' and their worth or not is surely simple assertion?
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NS, Trent, thanks for your welcome. Glad to see you both still posting. Hope all is well.
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Why don't we just say "mob rule" instead of using high falutin' words that most of us have to look up?
Education hurt no one!!!
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"AWOL" is clearly wrong in this context. The closest I could come up with was "apeshit".
You mean you had to look up AWOL as well...?
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and surely is similar to any unique cultural claims. Any statement about 'emotional motivations' and their worth or not is surely simple assertion?
My last post was a reference to unconscious forces i.e. they run the people not the other way round. We saw this kind of thing with the Nazis and the complicity of the German people. That is what ochlocracy essentially refers to.
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My last post was a reference to unconscious forces i.e. they run the people not the other way round. We saw this kind of thing with the Nazis and the complicity of the German people. That is what ochlocracy essentially refers to.
and that is the point I was challenging. Surely on that basis it becomes a description nothing more? All cultures are a subject of unconscious forces, rather Luke the emergent properties being discussed elsewhere?
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and that is the point I was challenging. Surely on that basis it becomes a description nothing more? All cultures are a subject of unconscious forces, rather Luke the emergent properties being discussed elsewhere?
But some reach a tipping point where a kind of madness follows, a rage or outburst of violence.
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But some reach a tipping point where a kind of madness follows, a rage or outburst of violence.
which if you are using description is then an argumentum ad consequentiam
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The Americans seem to take this 'in-yer-face' patriotism seriously. I recall going to a baseball game once (utterly boring, by the way) and being amazed at all the hand on heart stuff: truly cringeworthy!
I agree. OTT patriotism is creepy, imo.
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which if you are using description is then an argumentum ad consequentiam
No it is not. I said some cases reach the violent point, and I made no judgement about the initial state being good or bad or desirable or not based on the outcome, which could be quite respectable or noble.