Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on September 04, 2016, 04:42:53 PM
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I do hope he has paid his taxes for the washing machine business so that if he paid for escorts and the cocaine it wasn't through tax avoidance
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Oh NS, you do make me laugh ;D.
I was gutted this morning when I read about Keith Vas's fall from grace, it's so sad. Still he has regained some honour by his apology, directed especially to his wife and children, for his actions. A lot don't do that, they bluster and deny for a while. Poor soul.
His washing machine business is something I know nothing about and if I was in a different mood I might make comments about beautiful launderettes but not today.
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He claimed to be someone called Jim in the washing machine business to the escorts but I love the beautiful launderette reference
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I hope this washing machine business is duly recorded in the Members Register of Interests. >:(
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I hope this washing machine business is duly recorded in the Members Register of Interests. >:(
under the name of Jim
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It's just another case of someone famous being found out for having extra marital affairs. Feel sorry for his wife and kids. Nothing more to see here. Move on there sonny.
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It's just another case of someone famous being found out for having extra marital affairs. Feel sorry for his wife and kids. Nothing more to see here. Move on there sonny.
except it's the Chairman of the Home Affairs committee which amongst other things reports on sexual exploitation and what laws we should have on prostitution, and drug use. And he offered to pay for an illegal drug.
Context is important here.
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That's true but he's still a human being at the end of the day and he got caught! There must be many in high places who don't.
He's stepped down, owned up, apologised which was right but many don't so quickly. I feel sorry for him and hope he can get on with sorting out his life quietly and privately from now on.
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Another piece of scum outed, I have no sympathy for Vaz whatsoever!
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Well floo, I am not perfect so I don't feel that I can judge him. I'll leave that to others. He didn't abuse anyone from what I've read, he's hurt his family, he is sorry. What do you want, blood?
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Well floo, I am not perfect so I don't feel that I can judge him. I'll leave that to others. He didn't abuse anyone from what I've read, he's hurt his family, he is sorry. What do you want, blood?
Yes where public figures, especially politicians, are concerned!
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Even politicians are worthy of forgiveness sometimes, floo.
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Yes where public figures, especially politicians, are concerned!
Is your position that any person who has an affair, can't be an MP?
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Well floo, I am not perfect so I don't feel that I can judge him. I'll leave that to others. He didn't abuse anyone from what I've read, he's hurt his family, he is sorry. What do you want, blood?
I think the offering to pay for cocaine may well be a bigger issue here.
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except it's the Chairman of the Home Affairs committee which amongst other things reports on sexual exploitation and what laws we should have on prostitution, and drug use. And he offered to pay for an illegal drug.
Context is important here.
Indeed and he's resigned. I doubt there's enough evidence to convict him of drug use, but given he's probably ruined his life by his behavour, I think the glee that the tabloids continue to have over this is probably enough of a punishment.
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Indeed and he's resigned. I doubt there's enough evidence to convict him of drug use, but given he's probably ruined his life by his behavour, I think the glee that the tabloids continue to have over this is probably enough of a punishment.
I think offering to pay for the cocaine could be aiding and abetting.
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Even politicians are worthy of forgiveness sometimes, floo.
Except that this one has always put himself forward as a pillar of society type and when called for a sound bite on, e.g., Radio 4, he presents himself as such. I think that should be labelled hypocrisy/
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Yes, he has been shown to be a hypocrite.
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I think offering to pay for the cocaine could be aiding and abetting.
Is that what he said in the film ? "how much for the cocaine?"
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Is your position that any person who has an affair, can't be an MP?
Cheating on your partner does not put a person in a good light at all. Consorting with prostitutes/ rent boys is even worse as many of those people are not doing it of their own free will, but controlled by pimps
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Cheating on your partner does not put a person in a good light at all. Consorting with prostitutes/ rent boys is even worse as many of those people are not doing it of their own free will, but controlled by pimps
which doesn't answer the question I asked.
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Is that what he said in the film ? "how much for the cocaine?"
that and he would be willing to pay for it though he wouldn't partake
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which doesn't answer the question I asked.
A person who can cheat on their partner is likely not to make a good MP, imo.
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A person who can cheat on their partner is likely not to make a good MP, imo.
Sorry Floo that is really glib, judgemental nonsense. Plenty of people have affairs and manage to do their jobs perfectly well - I see no reason to single out politicians.
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A person who can cheat on their partner is likely not to make a good MP, imo.
which still isn't answering the question.
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which still isn't answering the question.
Yes it is.
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Oh no it isn't.
He's behind you.
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Yes it is.
no, I asked you if a person who has an affair can't be an MP, not about their likelihood of being a good MP. Answer the question asked, not the one you just made up.
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Oh no it isn't.
He's behind you.
on the washing machine
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on the washing machine
Ah.....good vibrations
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Ah.....good vibrations
as a politician, I expect him to pick the right spin cycle.
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on the washing machine
did he empty a load into it? :-[
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There must be a heck of a lot of bad MPs if the criteria for a good one is not cheating. Some of the stuff we've heard of in recent years makes Keith Vas's shenanigans pale by comparison.
Late last night I was watching a television programme about the 1990s and it featured the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky business. I didn't and don't dislike Bill Clinton but what particularly struck me was him denying having sexual contact with the girl, over and over again. Then he tried to wriggle by saying he didn't do it, she did ::). After it died down Monica Lewinsky, who had only been 22 at the time, was reviled by all and sundry in America.
Keith Vas has not denied anything and has apologised. Points to him for that.
Everyone has weaknesses. Keith Vas is obviously quite conflicted and has tried very hard to be a good husband and father but he has a stressful job and weaknesses rear their heads under stress. It could have been drink, or a woman with whom he had a brief affair, or gambling, but it was prostitutes. Very, very sad for him and his family and I sincerely hope the press will not hound him. He is being punished enough.
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So given he is then aiding and abetting the purchase of illegal drugs, you would agree he should be prosecuted for it?
And let's be clear Keith Vaz has not been cleat of scandal in the past and not always resigned for it, or admitted it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/keith-vaz-the-teflon-mp-who-enjoys-the-limelight-9038101.html
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There have been a great many issues in the past with Vaz. Look it up: his record is a disgrace to Parliament. He is a sanctimonious hypocrite.
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There have been a great many issues in the past with Vaz. Look it up: his record is a disgrace to Parliament. He is a sanctimonious hypocrite.
True - good to see you back Tony.
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There have been a great many issues in the past with Vaz. Look it up: his record is a disgrace to Parliament. He is a sanctimonious hypocrite.
hell hath indeed frozen over. Glad you are posting
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There have been a great many issues in the past with Vaz. Look it up: his record is a disgrace to Parliament. He is a sanctimonious hypocrite.
Completely agree BA. And as Gordon noted good to see you here again :D
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"True - good to see you back Tony."
Thank you, Gordon; you're very kind. Not sure how long I'll be here this time.
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So given he is then aiding and abetting the purchase of illegal drugs, you would agree he should be prosecuted for it?
And let's be clear Keith Vaz has not been cleat of scandal in the past and not always resigned for it, or admitted it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/keith-vaz-the-teflon-mp-who-enjoys-the-limelight-9038101.html
Personally I wouldn't bother prosecuting someone for a small amount of drugs for personal use.
I didn't know about past misdemeanours - don't necessarily want to know because it might influence my view of this particular case, which would not be fair. He's gone now anyway.
Who will be next, I wonder.
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Personally I wouldn't bother prosecuting someone for a small amount of drugs for personal use.
I didn't know about past misdemeanours - don't necessarily want to know because it might influence my view of this particular case, which would not be fair. He's gone now anyway.
Who will be next, I wonder.
Maybe not, but an MP who has been involved in making the law? I wouldn't have sent the bloke who picked up six bottles of water in the Lindon riots to prison but lots of MPs argued for it.
And he isn't gone as an MP. If I was caught in any job I do offering to pay for illegal drugs, I would be sacked.
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If I was caught in any job I do offering to pay for illegal drugs, I would be sacked.
You could always apply to be an undercover cop maybe? ;)
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You could always apply to be an undercover cop maybe? ;)
arevyou saying you could hook me up?
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arevyou saying you could hook me up?
..for the job or the drugs? :-\
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Another piece of scum outed, I have no sympathy for Vaz whatsoever!
In what way is he scum?
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So given he is then aiding and abetting the purchase of illegal drugs, you would agree he should be prosecuted for it?
Did he actually buy any drugs or help to buy any drugs? If not, how can he be prosecuted for aiding and abetting?
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Did he actually buy any drugs or help to buy any drugs? If not, how can he be prosecuted for aiding and abetting?
I'm not stating that it was the case, but it appears that he offered to pay for cocaine. If it was then stated by the escorts that it was bought and he gave them money for it, then it would be aiding and avetting. In that circumstance I was asking Brownie, if he should be prosecuted.
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To which I replied that I wouldn't bother in those circumstances.
However I'm not 'the law', so the police may have different ideas it. I doubt it being as it appears to have been a small amount for recreational use but you never can tell.
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I see Vaz has resigned.
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I thought he already had, or perhaps he had just resigned from something else. Well that is the best thing all round.
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Another piece of scum outed, I have no sympathy for Vaz whatsoever!
Whilst no-one is perfect - why the extreme terminology, Floo? I've always through that Vaz was someone worth listening to.
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Whilst no-one is perfect - why the extreme terminology, Floo?
Floo loves her extreme terminology. Everybody bad is scum in her world.
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I wonder how Floo defines the word "scum?" Perhaps someone else would ask her as she always ignores me (very upsetting!)
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Floo loves her extreme terminology. Everybody bad is scum in her world.
Don't be so silly!