Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Literature, Music, Art & Entertainment => Topic started by: Brownie on November 15, 2016, 12:58:01 PM
-
I read an article about this singer/musician last night and thought she might appeal to some posters:
http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/music/madeleine-peyroux-i-want-to-see-the-world-through-an-atheist-lens-a3393511.html
-
Dear Brownie,
"I want to see the world through an atheist lens"
Me to! But they are a very tight lipped community, any discussion soon turns to us silly theists, how so irrational we all are, trouble is that is a human default position, we all are, atheist and theist, irrational, may be it is a sliding scale, us theists are totally irrational and the atheists are just a wee bit irrational :P :P
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Brownie,
Me to! But they are a very tight lipped community, any discussion soon turns to us silly theists, how so irrational we all are, trouble is that is a human default position, we all are, atheist and theist, irrational, may be it is a sliding scale, us theists are totally irrational and the atheists are just a wee bit irrational :P :P
Gonnagle.
Mmm, generalise much?
-
I read an article about this singer/musician last night and thought she might appeal to some posters:
http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/music/madeleine-peyroux-i-want-to-see-the-world-through-an-atheist-lens-a3393511.html
I have long admired Madeleine Peyroux from her first album. I have no idea, however, what an atheist lens is on the world. It's not a single view, it is a position on a single proposition, and one that impinges almost not at all on any other position.
-
I suppose she had to precis her thoughts into one sentence for an interview, otherwise they'd have been there all day and more :D.
I'd never heard of her before reading that article and am glad you have and like her.
-
Dear Sane,
I have no idea, however, what an atheist lens is on the world. It's not a single view, it is a position on a single proposition, and one that impinges almost not at all on any other position.
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
What about Sunday opening times? If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious? What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords, do you think intelligent designers have any place in science, if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Sane,
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
What about Sunday opening times? If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious? What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords, do you think intelligent designers have any place in science, if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Gonnagle.
it's not the base thing that affects other things. I believe in secularism, so do many theists so I don't see that it's my atheism that it is the cause. I don't see why bishops should be in the HoL but then since I don't think there should be a HoL, that's not the point. I would care more about the policies of the MP rather than their religious persuasion. Again both of those positions are held by many theists so where does atheism come into it.
Most of the day to day decisions, I make don't involve my atheism. I don't see how it affects how I treat others, I don't see how it affects my morality, and I don't see that theists do much different to that. Look at the person, look at their actions not at some position on one topic.
-
Dear Sane,
Fair enough ;) But I suspect that is a Nearly Sane way of looking at the world, one that does you credit, just wondering if any other atheists will step up and say, no it does not affect my political views.
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Sane,
Fair enough ;) But I suspect that is a Nearly Sane way of looking at the world, one that does you credit, just wondering if any other atheists will step up and say, no it does not affect my political views.
Gonnagle.
There is hardly a political position I can think of that is not held by their and atheists. The only ones would be a theocracy and an antitheist state and even then they seem in some ways a mirror of each other. Theist and atheists voted for Trump, and for Hillary. Theists and atheists voted for Brexit, and for Remain. Theists and atheists voted Yes in the Scottish referendum, and voted No. Theists and atheists voted for the Tories in the UK Election, and for Labour, and for the SNP, and for the Lib Dems, and for UKIP, and for the Greens.
Why do you think that theism\atheism given that had an affect on politics?
-
It should read "seeing the world through a natural lens" as opposed to a "supernatural" lens.....
-
Dear Sane,
Fair enough ;) But I suspect that is a Nearly Sane way of looking at the world, one that does you credit, just wondering if any other atheists will step up and say, no it does not affect my political views.
Gonnagle.
I don't think it affects any position I take on a day to day basis.
I cannot think of any position I have (other then belief in a god) where it ever comes up.
Do you take positions just because you believe in the christian god? I would doubt it really
-
Dear Farmer, ( you are Farmer, right? )
It should read "seeing the world through a natural lens" as opposed to a "supernatural" lens.....
Supernatural or Super-Natural.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Berational,
Do you take positions just because you believe in the christian god? I would doubt it really
Doubt no more, I am more and more inclined towards Mr Corbyn purely for his compassionate politics.
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Berational,
Doubt no more, I am more and more inclined towards Mr Corbyn purely for his compassionate politics.
Gonnagle.
But he's an at-hate-ist
-
But he's an at-hate-ist
politicians should be screened out if they have religious beliefs .It should be law.
-
politicians should be screened out if they have religious beliefs .It should be law.
or any irrational views. Makes it easy, no politicians
-
or any irrational views. Makes it easy, no politicians
self serving twats the lot of 'em
-
Dear Berational,
Doubt no more, I am more and more inclined towards Mr Corbyn purely for his compassionate politics.
Gonnagle.
I also like his moral position on some things so the theist position is not a prerequisite
-
I would care more about the policies of the MP rather than their religious persuasion.
Most of the day to day decisions, I make don't involve my atheism. I don't see how it affects how I treat others, I don't see how it affects my morality, and I don't see that theists do much different to that. Look at the person, look at their actions not at some position on one topic.
Commendable NS, I agree. That's how I felt about Sadiq Khan when he stood for London Mayor.
-
Dear Brownie,
Me to! But they are a very tight lipped community, any discussion soon turns to us silly theists, how so irrational we all are, trouble is that is a human default position, we all are, atheist and theist, irrational, may be it is a sliding scale, us theists are totally irrational and the atheists are just a wee bit irrational :P :P
Gonnagle.
For the most part you do see the World through an atheist lens (if a flat piece of glass that does not distort reality can be described as a lens). We both disbelieve in almost all the gods that are allegedly out there. Neither of us see the world through the Islamic lens or the Buddhist lens of the Hindu lens. I just also don't see the world through the Christian lens.
-
Dear Sane,
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
For me, atheism is a consequence of my world view, not the foundation of it.
What about Sunday opening times?
I don't think that people should be stopped from doing things if they don't harm other people. I think you would agree a religionist could hold that view. So, if they want to go shopping on Sundays, why not, if they can find a shop that is prepared to open?
On the other hand I am broadly sympathetic to Christian shop workers who do not want to work on Sunday, but in the interests of fairness, if Christians can say they don't want to work on Sundays, Jews should be allowed to claim the same for Saturdays, Muslims for Fridays and anybody of other religions other days.
If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious?
No.
What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords,
They are some of the last remaining people in parliament who have no democratic mandate. At a stretch, you can argue that most of the peers are appointed by democratically elected politicians so they have a vague connection to the democratic process (although it could be better), but not the bishops. Is it particularly an atheist thing to want democracy?
do you think intelligent designers have any place in science
That's anti-scientific, not anti-theistic.
if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Let's be honest, most of us vote for who we do because of the party they represent. I've voted in a number of general and European elections and I have never tried to find out anything about the representative of the party I chose.
-
Dear Sane,
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
Not really
What about Sunday opening times?
Some atheists don't want Sunday opening and conversely, some religios do.
do If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious?
I wouldn't particularly care. My child has her own mind.
What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords
Some atheists don't want them and conversely, some don't care. Some religios also don't want them (I know at least one Christian who thinks it should be an elected chamber)
, do you think intelligent designers have any place in science
No, but then lots of religios don't as well. I imagine some atheists wouldn't care.
, if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Depends what he/she says about their views on policy, otherwise what people believe is their own business.
-
Since others have had a go at answering these points I will too.
What about Sunday opening times?
Those of us lucky enough to live in Scotland aren't constrained: there are no Sunday trading restrictions here, and there seem to be no frightened horses roaming the streets. I'm for giving people the freedom to do stuff on a Sunday that they could do without constraint on any other day and that some regard Sunday as 'special', according to their own definition of 'special' of course, isn't binding on the rest of us. Nor do I like the idea of an enforced 'quiet day' for society at large.
Funny how in England and Wales large shops have limited opening on a Sunday: I think they tend to close around 4pm while the churches are free to do their stuff over a much longer period of time throughout Sundays but I've yet to hear organised religions suggest they limit their activities of a Sunday so as to aid peace and quiet for all, and until they do I'll treat their bleating about Sunday shopping as being obvious hypocrisy.
If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious?
We did exactly that by insisting that our kids, especially in primary school (non-denominational) when they are very impressionable and tend to believe what they are taught while they are too young to think critically about abstract matters, didn't participate in any acts of religious observance or be exposed to any proselytising by visiting clerical-types - it transpired that we weren't the only ones, and the school was very accommodating. For example when there were Christian services in the local church to which the school was involved, such as the likes of Easter, they made provision for any children not attending the service, which was fine.
It was less of an issue in secondary school, since RE there was about the nature of religions in societies, politics, history etc and also covered the likes of moral philosophy and politics. I asked my elder grandson earlier, when he dropped in en route to school (he's 14, so 3rd year in a non-denominational secondary) who confirms there are no hymns or prayers and that when the school chaplain holds services attendance is discretionary
What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords,
I'd just get rid of the HoL: it is anachronistic and undemocratic, and I'd bin the monarchy at the same time. We should be able to implement political governance arrangements that are democratic and where those involved are elected and are subject to routine re-election.
do you think intelligent designers have any place in science,
No: so called 'intelligent design' isn't science.
if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
No: I think that religious affiliation should be a personal matter, and to be fair I've yet to see any local politician I could vote for make an issue of either their religion or religion in a broader sense. My local MP is John Nicolson, whom I voted for, and I have no idea of his religious outlook.
-
Dear Sane,
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
What about Sunday opening times? If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious? What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords, do you think intelligent designers have any place in science, if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Gonnagle.
I think the point is that there is no common view on these issues amongst atheistst. The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in God but otherwise there views on life can be very different.
-
I think the point is that there is no common view on these issues amongst atheistst. The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in God but otherwise there views on life can be very different.
although I would guess that like me most atheists are very skeptical by nature and are pretty adept at critical thinking.
-
although I would guess that like me most atheists are very skeptical by nature and are pretty adept at critical thinking.
I think that's a bit of a generalization. As has been said already, atheists come in all shapes and sizes and the only thing in common, for sure, is a lack of belief in gods.
-
I think that's a bit of a generalization. As has been said already, atheists come in all shapes and sizes and the only thing in common, for sure, is a lack of belief in gods.
Yes, like I say, its a guess
-
Dear Jeremyp,
For the most part you do see the World through an atheist lens (if a flat piece of glass that does not distort reality can be described as a lens). We both disbelieve in almost all the gods that are allegedly out there. Neither of us see the world through the Islamic lens or the Buddhist lens of the Hindu lens. I just also don't see the world through the Christian lens.
This is why I enjoy this forum, I want to see the world through Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist eyes, it is why I enjoy a Gabriella, Sriram and Wigganhall Post ( the Wigs likes to chunter on about Buddhist stuff ).
To others who have voiced a concern about Sunday opening times, once again you bring in the religious element, forget about us versus them, as one of Sanes wonderful links suggests ( Julian Baggini ) debate the merits of a day free from commercialism, or, a day when we tell the major players they must shut shop, the only place you can shop is at the little shop on the corner or even! The local fair.
The major players don't give a jot about community all they care about is profit, the way I see it, Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's, Morrisons don't care about the granny who can't make it to their big stores, they don't care if your little shop is going to close, in fact they want it to close.
In this mad world of "I am alright Jack" we need a day of contemplation, a day to think about the less fortunate, a day to be human, well unless you think that being human is the freedom to nip down to Tesco's anytime you want, freedom is a wonderful thing unless your type of freedom impinges on some one else's freedom.
Gonnagle.
-
To others who have voiced a concern about Sunday opening times, once again you bring in the religious element, forget about us versus them, as one of Sanes wonderful links suggests ( Julian Baggini ) debate the merits of a day free from commercialism, or, a day when we tell the major players they must shut shop, the only place you can shop is at the little shop on the corner or even! The local fair.
I'm all for it but I'd like it to be on Tuesdays please. I always thought that Tuesday was a waste of space.
-
Dear Seb,
Sounds good to me, but I am more a half day Friday man ::)
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Seb,
Sounds good to me, but I am more a half day Friday man ::)
Gonnagle.
I will follow the church of Gonnagle and later today visit my place of worship, the holy Bar Gandolfi, therein to partake of the sacramental St Mungo
-
Dear Sane,
Damn!! I would join you but I have a boring course to complete, my own fault! procrastination is one of my finer qualities ::)
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Sane,
Damn!! I would join you but I have a boring course to complete, my own fault! procrastination is one of my finer qualities ::)
Gonnagle.
if its a theology course , don't waste tour time. Go out and have fun in the real world.
-
Dear Waltzing,
I said boring, theology is not boring, after all, it is why we are all here!
Gonnagle.
-
..theology is not boring, after all, it is why we are all here!
Gonnagle.
Theology is the study of nothing; a 'nothing' imagined and invented entirely by humans.
-
Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your very honest reply ;)
Those of us lucky enough to live in Scotland aren't constrained: there are no Sunday trading restrictions here, and there seem to be no frightened horses roaming the streets. I'm for giving people the freedom to do stuff on a Sunday that they could do without constraint on any other day and that some regard Sunday as 'special', according to their own definition of 'special' of course, isn't binding on the rest of us. Nor do I like the idea of an enforced 'quiet day' for society at large.
You talk about freedom but freedom for who ( or is that whom ) your local baker, butcher, candlestick maker closing down, I think this is curtailing peoples freedom, be it the actual purveyor or the wee granny/granda who enjoys his daily walk to his local.
We did exactly that by insisting that our kids, especially in primary school (non-denominational) when they are very impressionable and tend to believe what they are taught while they are too young to think critically about abstract matters, didn't participate in any acts of religious observance or be exposed to any proselytising by visiting clerical-types - it transpired that we weren't the only ones, and the school was very accommodating. For example when there were Christian services in the local church to which the school was involved, such as the likes of Easter, they made provision for any children not attending the service, which was fine.
Thank you, your atheism affects your life.
I'd just get rid of the HoL: it is anachronistic and undemocratic, and I'd bin the monarchy at the same time. We should be able to implement political governance arrangements that are democratic and where those involved are elected and are subject to routine re-election.
I am not a fan of the HoL but those fat Bishops are in charge of the biggest run charity in England, without the good deeds of the CoE the English NHS would be in more of a crisis.
As for the Monarchy, well I am a loyal servant, I think her Madge is the greatest Ambassador this little island has although I could see her hangers on far enough.
No: so called 'intelligent design' isn't science.
Not asking if it is science, has it benefited science, it is a rare book on evolution that does not beat intelligent design over the head, would we have made the enormous strides in understanding evolution if they had not been around.
No: I think that religious affiliation should be a personal matter, and to be fair I've yet to see any local politician I could vote for make an issue of either their religion or religion in a broader sense. My local MP is John Nicolson, whom I voted for, and I have no idea of his religious outlook.
A hypothetical question, two politicians, one is an atheist the other is a born again, they both have similar views, who would you vote for?
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Susan,
Theology is the study of nothing; a 'nothing' imagined and invented entirely by humans.
Really!! It has affected human history since day dot, not a day goes past that some philosopher discusses, greed, hatred, violence, love, compassion, all things that are fundamental questions of theology.
Religion/spirituality is part of being human, it is what we are, theology has shaped who we are.
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Gordon,
Thank you for your very honest reply ;)
You talk about freedom but freedom for who ( or is that whom ) your local baker, butcher, candlestick maker closing down, I think this is curtailing peoples freedom, be it the actual purveyor or the wee granny/granda who enjoys his daily walk to his local.
Where we both live we don't have Sunday trading restrictions and that shops are open all day and it isn't an issue: it is just routine, and on that basis no different to shopping on a Monday. No doubt it provides employment too - but for me the primary issue is in having constraints applied to reasonable activities on the basis that some think it would be good for me whether I like it or not - I just don't see Sunday as 'special'.
A hypothetical question, two politicians, one is an atheist the other is a born again, they both have similar views, who would you vote for?
Depends on their policies.
-
I would like to think my politician would be able to; access and absorb facts and intelligently evaluate them to form coherent and sensible real world policies.
Give me the atheist every time.
-
Dear Gordon,
But it is an issue, a unspoken issue, Tesco cares not a jot for wee Mrs Smith, but if she is not seen in her local shop for a few days, questions are asked, but this is just the tip of of the iceberg, artic lorries thundering through our towns and villages, most people I know use their car for shopping, most people I know use the weekend to go shopping, is that actually a day off, no, they are using their precious time to restock, why can't they restock Mon-Fri, they work long hours, long hours for what, so they can restock on a weekend, madness, and we all fall for that madness, why? Because we are conned into thinking that this is the way it is supposed to be.
Commercialism and capitalism, a steady downward spiral, ask yourself, where does it all stop, we already have 24/7 shopping, one day a week to say no to capitalism, is that a big ask?
Gonnagle.
-
Dear John, ( rum ti te tum tum )
Thank you for an honest answer ;) atheism is just a non belief in gods my arse!!
Gonnagle.
-
Dear John, ( rum ti te tum tum )
Thank you for an honest answer ;) atheism is just a non belief in gods my arse!!
Gonnagle.
Except that is exactly what it is.
-
I would like to think my politician would be able to; access and absorb facts and intelligently evaluate them to form coherent and sensible real world policies.
Give me the atheist every time.
No reason to think that tells you anything about a person's ability to make any form of decisions.
-
Dear Susan,
Really!! It has affected human history since day dot, not a day goes past that some philosopher discusses, greed, hatred, violence, love, compassion, all things that are fundamental questions of theology.
Religion/spirituality is part of being human, it is what we are, theology has shaped who we are.
Gonnagle.
Quite right, but there's still an empty space, a vacuum, a total lack of any god anywhere, any time.
-
No reason to think that tells you anything about a person's ability to make any form of decisions.
YES IT DOES
-
Dear Gordon,
But it is an issue, a unspoken issue, Tesco cares not a jot for wee Mrs Smith, but if she is not seen in her local shop for a few days, questions are asked, but this is just the tip of of the iceberg, artic lorries thundering through our towns and villages, most people I know use their car for shopping, most people I know use the weekend to go shopping, is that actually a day off, no, they are using their precious time to restock, why can't they restock Mon-Fri, they work long hours, long hours for what, so they can restock on a weekend, madness, and we all fall for that madness, why? Because we are conned into thinking that this is the way it is supposed to be.
Commercialism and capitalism, a steady downward spiral, ask yourself, where does it all stop, we already have 24/7 shopping, one day a week to say no to capitalism, is that a big ask?
Gonnagle.
I think perhaps it is too big an ask.
It involves a constraint on choice on the basis, it seems to me, that some feel an enforced 'quiet Sunday' would benefit everyone: they are of course free to spend Sunday quietly if they wish but I don't feel their preferences should limit my options. All they need do is stay at home if that is their preferred use of Sunday: being 'out and about' isn't compulsory.
Where there is no demand shops won't open but Mrs G regularly does our weekly shop on a Sunday evening at the local biggish Tesco (I'm the designated trolley pusher) and it is usually busy and I can't see why this option is unreasonable.
-
YES IT DOES
No you can't generalise like that. Having believes does not mean you make poor decisions.
-
Dear Gordon,
But we are not free to spend our Sundays quietly, how could I spend my Sunday quietly when you and the wonderful Mrs G ( the lady must be wonderful to put up with you racing around the countryside with your beard on fire ) and all the rest of the Sunday shoppers are firing up their petrol guzzling environment unfriendly little tin boxes to go and worship and Tesco's.
This is not rocket science, it is about handing over a world to our children and their children a better cleaner more compassionate world, the alternative, our kids will ask, how did we get it so wrong, we can't let the scientists come up with all the answers, we all have to play our part.
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Gordon,
But we are not free to spend our Sundays quietly, how could I spend my Sunday quietly when you and the wonderful Mrs G ( the lady must be wonderful to put up with you racing around the countryside with your beard on fire ) and all the rest of the Sunday shoppers are firing up their petrol guzzling environment unfriendly little tin boxes to go and worship and Tesco's.
This is not rocket science, it is about handing over a world to our children and their children a better cleaner more compassionate world, the alternative, our kids will ask, how did we get it so wrong, we can't let the scientists come up with all the answers, we all have to play our part.y
Gonnagle.
An example - for years now I've taken my grandkids swimming every Sunday morning: I taught the older two to swim this way and now the eldest is too cool to go swimming so the 3 year old comes with his older sister - it has been a good use of Sunday mornings.
Sunday afternoon I'n normally amble over to the bookies for a couple of hours (Sunday racing has been the norm for years now), then we tend to do the weekly shop on Sunday evenings. I'd say my Sundays are fine by my standards.
I don't want to stop people doing their thing as I do mine: I don't care if they go to church, go shopping or do nothing at all - so why should they care about how I choose to spend my Sundays?
-
No you can't generalise like that. Having believes does not mean you make poor decisions.
firstly, yes I can. and secondly it might
-
An example - for years now I've taken my grandkids swimming every Sunday morning: I taught the older two to swim this way and now the eldest is too cool to go swimming so the 3 year old comes with his older sister - it has been a good use of Sunday mornings.
Sunday afternoon I'n normally amble over to the bookies for a couple of hours (Sunday racing has been the norm for years now), then we tend to do the weekly shop on Sunday evenings. I'd say my Sundays are fine by my standards.
I don't want to stop people doing their thing as I do mine: I don't care if they go to church, go shopping or do nothing at all - so why should they care about how I choose to spend my Sundays?
lets open this up a bit . I spent a long time in Australia recently Sunday is a family bbq on the beach day , there is a big world out there. almost bigger than this screen you are looking at
-
You said 'Yes it does' not 'Yes it might'. If it might then it might not. Unless you can show a direct lionk between beliefs and poor decision making then you cannot draw the conclusion that you did.
-
Dear Brownie,
Me to! But they are a very tight lipped community, any discussion soon turns to us silly theists, how so irrational we all are, trouble is that is a human default position, we all are, atheist and theist, irrational, may be it is a sliding scale, us theists are totally irrational and the atheists are just a wee bit irrational :P :P
Gonnagle.
There's nothing to see it is a black void.
-
Dear Sane,
Hmmm! So you would say your atheism does not affect any other part of your life?
What about Sunday opening times? If you had kids would you ban them from school assembly if it was mostly religious? What about those fat Bishops that sit in the house of Lords, do you think intelligent designers have any place in science, if your local MP was a born again Christian type would that sway how you voted?
Gonnagle.
What about Sunday opening times? My views aren't based upon the fact that I don't believe in any gods.
What about school assemblies? Ditto.
What about the power of the Bishops, sitting in the HoL? Ditto.
What about intelligent design? Ditto.
What about my local MP? Ditto.
-
Dear Gordon,
But we are not free to spend our Sundays quietly, how could I spend my Sunday quietly when you and the wonderful Mrs G ( the lady must be wonderful to put up with you racing around the countryside with your beard on fire ) and all the rest of the Sunday shoppers are firing up their petrol guzzling environment unfriendly little tin boxes to go and worship and Tesco
Would you rather ban all forms of transport on a Sunday in order to preserve everyone's peace and quiet?
-
Wouldn't it be nice to have at least one day a week; free of commercialism/consumerism and go smell the flowers?
-
Wouldn't it be nice to have at least one day a week; free of commercialism/consumerism and go smell the flowers?
No-one is forcing anyone to take part in anything commercial on, e.g., a Sunday. \\\\\\\You are at liberty to avoid any activity, commercial or otherwise. It does not need to be law.
-
Dear Seb,
Would you rather ban all forms of transport on a Sunday in order to preserve everyone's peace and quiet?
No! I would rather discuss the subject in a calm and considerate manner, not go to extremes! For instance, lets keep the big players open on a Sunday but they supply, free of charge, little buses ( or big buses ) which ferry customers to and from their stores on Sundays, I am open to any idea which makes any day of the week, less stressful, more community like and helps the environment.
Or we could just argue that those bloody theists think we should have one day to worship their God who I think does not exist.
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Jeremyp,
This is why I enjoy this forum, I want to see the world through Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist eyes, it is why I enjoy a Gabriella, Sriram and Wigganhall Post ( the Wigs likes to chunter on about Buddhist stuff ).
And yet you seem blind to the fact that they might prefer a different day to Christians for their day off.
freedom is a wonderful thing unless your type of freedom impinges on some one else's freedom.
Yes. And forcing shops to close on a particular day is impinging on someone else's freedom.
-
Dear Jeremyp,
And yet you seem blind to the fact that they might prefer a different day to Christians for their day off.
Nope! And religion is only one part of the equation/debate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-steinbrecher/why-our-247-connected-society-is-driving-us-farther-apart_b_5185925.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/nov/11/comment.comment1
But of course I could be victim to browsing the internet to find links that back up my argument, I would be only to willing to read anything that says a 24/7 society is a good thing.
Yes. And forcing shops to close on a particular day is impinging on someone else's freedom.
You can please some of the people..................
All I am arguing for is a holistic approach to the question, should we have one day free from consumerism?
Gonnagle.
-
Dear Jeremyp,
Nope! And religion is only one part of the equation/debate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-steinbrecher/why-our-247-connected-society-is-driving-us-farther-apart_b_5185925.html
All I am arguing for is a holistic approach to the question, should we have one day free from consumerism?
Gonnagle.
at last I find something I agree with you on. I despise consumerism however to have one recognised day we all agree on would be impossible .
-
sorry my quote box didn't work
the last line is mine, Gonners.