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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on December 14, 2016, 08:48:52 AM
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At least according to the author's reading of Kant
http://tinyurl.com/zdtr4ok
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Well I never!
Full of exaggerations, sexual desire is quite normal - and desirable when people are thinking "This is the real deal". Not everyone objectifies the other.
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At least according to the author's reading of Kant
http://tinyurl.com/zdtr4ok
this is what happens when philosophers get involved, too much overthinking, its not necessary .
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It only becomes wrong when it is part of a civilised society etc. because it is a passion we ultimately can't control as it can be too wild and destructive relative to the needs of an advanced culture - jealousy leading to fights and disputes etc. and so disharmony.
This is why we saw such restraints that lead up to the 19th century's heavily reserved attitudes towards sex and thereon Nietzsche and Freud, and so on.
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this is what happens when philosophers get involved, too much overthinking, its not necessary .
Absolutely. What every occasion needs is a four square brexiteer to keep it on the straight and narrow. Not thinkers but diamond geezers.
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Sexual desire can very difficult to control and regulate. Even more basic needs like hunger and sleep can be more easily overcome.... and even if we indulge, they rarely lead to wrong doing.
Sexual desire is not so. Uncontrolled sexual desire can easily lead to multiple partners, promiscuity, perversions, child abuse, sadism, rape and even torture and murder. Most such abnormal and criminal behavior can be traced to sexual causes rather than other needs. They can also lead to abortions, unwanted children and such other.
The difference between a need and a desire is the mental element. As long as it is physical, it is a need. But when the mental element dominates, it is desire.
Animals have needs, not desires because their mental component is minimal. It is sexual desires that can lead to many of the abnormalities and criminal offences that I have mentioned above.
This is why unregulated sexual desire is often equated with the devil.
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... sexual desire is quite normal - and desirable when people are thinking "This is the real deal". Not everyone objectifies the other.
Quite agree, Brownie.
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Sexual desire can very difficult to control and regulate. Even more basic needs like hunger and sleep can be more easily overcome.... and even if we indulge, they rarely lead to wrong doing.
So, what about those people for whom eating and/or drinking is almost de rigeur, who eat far more than they really need and who therefore become obese? Don't thay damage both themselves, their loved ones and - to an extent - society by putting excessive pressure on the health services?
Sexual desire is not so. Uncontrolled sexual desire can easily lead to multiple partners, promiscuity, perversions, child abuse, sadism, rape and even torture and murder. Most such abnormal and criminal behavior can be traced to sexual causes rather than other needs. They can also lead to abortions, unwanted children and such other.
Whilst I would agree with you in the consequential details listed here, comparable consequences can be listed for eating, sleeping and many other human desires. Think, for instance, of the mental processes of a kleptomaniac, for instance.
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So, what about those people for whom eating and/or drinking is almost de rigeur, who eat far more than they really need and who therefore become obese? Don't thay damage both themselves, their loved ones and - to an extent - society by putting excessive pressure on the health services?
Whilst I would agree with you in the consequential details listed here, comparable consequences can be listed for eating, sleeping and many other human desires. Think, for instance, of the mental processes of a kleptomaniac, for instance.
I don't think they are in the same league.