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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on December 19, 2016, 06:24:12 PM
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I'll put the kettle on?
https://www.roughguides.com/gallery/the-worlds-friendliest-cities-as-voted-by-you/
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Do that - where else could it be but this wonderful place (not that I'm in any way biased).
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All the cities look dazzling.
I wonder how friendliness is judged? It must be more than cheerfulness and being pleasant.
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Glesga is a totally different place to the city I remember when I used to visit my relatibes when they lived in Green Street in Govan. Every surface of every building was grimy, black and filthy...the only clean surfaces were the wally closes of the tenements - and you could eat your dinner off the flors! Now the place is stupendous - archetecture, ancient and modern, and a much improved, cleaner environment - an incredible transformation in just a few decades.
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Dear Brownie,
I wonder how friendliness is judged?
By the accent, by the banter, by the fact that we never take ourselves to seriously, I am a Weegie and proud of it ( Weegie was supposed to be a slur but we turned it into a badge of honour ) by our compassion, we are a very generous city, that is a fact, when the poor are in trouble, Glasgow moves, it is all on the internet, we arra peeple, Gods chosen few.
Gonnagle.
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Just a pity that few Glaswegians can quote the city's motto in full, though!
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Dear Jim, ( auld friend )
Thankyou for the gentle reminder ;)
"Lord, let Glasgow flourish by the preaching of the word."
Gonnagle.
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I spent a lot of time at the Kelvingrove this summer, Gonners; a friend of mine, Campbell Price from the Manchester uni and museum, had organised the fantastic "Gifts for the Gods" exhibition tour, and I visited it four times....and wanted to visit a few more - I thought it very well displayed and presented. Anyway, on a trip upstairs to see the Dali (you can't go to Kelvingrove without a long, glorious viewing), I felt the staircase rails. I was delighted to feel those banisters embellished with bell, bird and fish symbols! Kelvingrove's looking stunning, by the way - and that organ is absolutely magnificent. I'm no fan of the kist o whistles normally, but the sound of that thing when all the stops are pulled is wonderful.
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Being an Edinburger myself, I have no problem in agreeing that Glasgow is indeed a mucho friendlioso place.
(surprised Goonners? :o )
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Our pubs are still better but its a close run thing!
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Too many decades ago to admit publically, I visited the Scotia in Glasgow and Sandy Bell's in Edinburgh (before the latter got too touristy). I'd have to say that the latter was better. Great craik - fantastic sessions.....many of them after hours.
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Quite frankly I find it astonishing that 3 out of the 15 top cities are in the UK. And if you add Dublin in, 4 in the British Isles.
Are the majority of rough Guide users based in the UK?
I can't speak for Glasgow as I have yet to make it there - but Manchester, friendly? Really?
Liverpool I can see and Dublin of course. But it does seem rather UK centric to me.
Pinches of salt all round I suggest.
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I'll put the kettle on?
https://www.roughguides.com/gallery/the-worlds-friendliest-cities-as-voted-by-you/
I expected Edinburgh to be there, as my city of birth was there.
Manchester I find a lot more friendly than Liverpool but a Northern bias did appear.
May be the people from those places voted because they are more sociable on the site where the vote took place. ;D
Just a thought!
Perhaps the truth is that Northerners are more friendly full-stop. ::) 8) :o ;D :-*
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I've frequently heard people say that 'Northerners' are more friendly. Also that people from Yorkshire are more blunt. They are generalisations.
I wonder about 'friendliness'; I know there are places where people say, "Good morning", etc, to complete strangers if out walking dog or whatever. Does 'friendliness' indicate lack of privacy or nosiness?
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Quite frankly I find it astonishing that 3 out of the 15 top cities are in the UK. And if you add Dublin in, 4 in the British Isles.
Are the majority of rough Guide users based in the UK?
I can't speak for Glasgow as I have yet to make it there - but Manchester, friendly? Really?
Liverpool I can see and Dublin of course. But it does seem rather UK centric to me.
Pinches of salt all round I suggest.
Hey, that's my home city you talking about WE ARE REALLY FRIENDLY IN MANCHESTER !!! GET IT !!!!!!!
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I've frequently heard people say that 'Northerners' are more friendly. Also that people from Yorkshire are more blunt. They are generalisations.
I wonder about 'friendliness'; I know there are places where people say, "Good morning", etc, to complete strangers if out walking dog or whatever. Does 'friendliness' indicate lack of privacy or nosiness?
It's friendly like that here in my small North Essex town, I was walking the dog only the other day just across the short cut by the church grave yard, one of the locals said 'morning', I said 'no, just walking the dog'.
ippy
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I have a lovely cousin who lives in Essex, Loughton. She grew up in Leytonstone. It's really nice where she lives but I have to say, when I was a child, I loved it when my parents took me to visit her and her mum and dad in Leyton. Sometimes we went to Walthamstow Market where people talked proper cockney and I used to wish I was one of them! Donkeys years ago of course.
Where my husband lives (when he is at work), Wymondham, Norfolk, people speak in the morning. Probably less so now as he has a flat in a block with a car park but when we had a cottage in Hingham with car parked outside, it was so.
Down here I only know neighbours on either side but every little town has some community to be tapped into if you want it. I get local newsletters about such things and often think, one of these days I'll go down there.
I must admit I like to be private and fairly anonymous unless I choose to be otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't care about others or would not do something if I could but it would be anonymous, at least nowadays.
I've been to Manchester and thought it was great! Don't know why anyone would think otherwise.
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I have a lovely cousin who lives in Essex, Loughton. She grew up in Leytonstone. It's really nice where she lives but I have to say, when I was a child, I loved it when my parents took me to visit her and her mum and dad in Leyton. Sometimes we went to Walthamstow Market where people talked proper cockney and I used to wish I was one of them! Donkeys years ago of course.
Where my husband lives (when he is at work), Wymondham, Norfolk, people speak in the morning. Probably less so now as he has a flat in a block with a car park but when we had a cottage in Hingham with car parked outside, it was so.
Down here I only know neighbours on either side but every little town has some community to be tapped into if you want it. I get local newsletters about such things and often think, one of these days I'll go down there.
I must admit I like to be private and fairly anonymous unless I choose to be otherwise. Doesn't mean I don't care about others or would not do something if I could but it would be anonymous, at least nowadays.
I've been to Manchester and thought it was great! Don't know why anyone would think otherwise.
My wifes sister lives in Loughton, right next to Epping forrest, we're going there for our Newton's day dinner, the 25th.
Loughton is a bit cut off from the North eastern parts of London by the enormous reservoirs that limit the space needed for roads, this makes it a bit, quiter than it's London side neighbours.
My dad was a cockney, the genuine article, I'm not and my accent is not cockney just an ordinary Londonish one, we've lived here in Essex for nearly 47 years and I have become a bit of a sweed basher, a carrot cruncher, spent most of my working life in and around Saffron Walden and Cambridge, the Cambridge accent isn't that dissimilar to the lovely Norfolk one, (When I think about it Londoners don't really have an accent, it's all of the others).
Most days I walk out on our river walk for at the least four miles with the dog and it's such a friendly walk with so many that share this slightly in this wild none too tonsured area, just how I like it, my wife and I have a pact that one of us will assaniate anyone that dares to plant out a formal flower bed, on this relaxing nature walk of ours, no jury would convict either of us.
Essex is a bit of Jeckle and Hyde county south has two main roads thr A 13 and the A 127 that run somewhere near parallel from london to Southend, most places in and around the area taken by these two roads are the parts of Essex that have fed this maline description of Essex we keep hearing.
North Essex is similar to suffolk, not exactly similar but very nearly as rural as Suffolk, try getting yourself a picture of Finchingfield Essex on google for a good example.
I spent three days in Manchester about three years back with the Thomas Paine society a seminar about his life and works, yes a quaker and one of my heroes too, I was seriously impressed with Manchester lovely place, it felt more like an ordinary persons place to me more than I have ever felt about London, just a feeling, not that easy to rationalise.
Regards ippy
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I do rather like the City of Westminster, although I would be the last one to say that it friendly.
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I like Westminster too, Humph. Must admit I don't care that much about 'friendliness', depending on what people mean by it of course.
Ippy, your post was lovely and conjured up many memories for me - good ones.
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My wifes sister lives in Loughton, right next to Epping forrest, we're going there for our Newton's day dinner, the 25th.
Loughton is a bit cut off from the North eastern parts of London by the enormous reservoirs that limit the space needed for roads, this makes it a bit, quiter than it's London side neighbours.
My dad was a cockney, the genuine article, I'm not and my accent is not cockney just an ordinary Londonish one, we've lived here in Essex for nearly 47 years and I have become a bit of a sweed basher, a carrot cruncher, spent most of my working life in and around Saffron Walden and Cambridge, the Cambridge accent isn't that dissimilar to the lovely Norfolk one, (When I think about it Londoners don't really have an accent, it's all of the others).
Most days I walk out on our river walk for at the least four miles with the dog and it's such a friendly walk with so many that share this slightly in this wild none too tonsured area, just how I like it, my wife and I have a pact that one of us will assaniate anyone that dares to plant out a formal flower bed, on this relaxing nature walk of ours, no jury would convict either of us.
Essex is a bit of Jeckle and Hyde county south has two main roads thr A 13 and the A 127 that run somewhere near parallel from london to Southend, most places in and around the area taken by these two roads are the parts of Essex that have fed this maline description of Essex we keep hearing.
North Essex is similar to suffolk, not exactly similar but very nearly as rural as Suffolk, try getting yourself a picture of Finchingfield Essex on google for a good example.
I spent three days in Manchester about three years back with the Thomas Paine society a seminar about his life and works, yes a quaker and one of my heroes too, I was seriously impressed with Manchester lovely place, it felt more like an ordinary persons place to me more than I have ever felt about London, just a feeling, not that easy to rationalise.
Regards ippy
ippy,
I have read many essays in my younger days that describe England much the way you have described it. Even Neville Cardus used to write very well, though it was usually about cricket. Always with great detail describing the country side and more importantly...with great love and pride.
My school Principal, a jolly good chap called H O Fowler, was an Anglo-Indian who visited England often and was always very nostalgic about it. He took english classes and when he read out the essays describing England, he would almost choke with emotion. I loved his classes. LOL! Good old Fowler!
I have loved what I have seen of England. Hope you guys manage to keep it that way. :)
Cheers.
Sriram
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Ippy, your post was lovely
Yes, I thought so too.
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Dear Sass,
I expected Edinburgh to be there, as my city of birth was there.
The really sad thing about Edinburgh is that it has went to the dark side, it is a shortbread biscuity tin tourist trap, which is a shame as Edinburgh has a very rich and deep history.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Jim,
The Kelvingrove, I love walking round that museum, but then the Kelvingrove is one of the reasons I have a huge chip on my shoulder when it comes to Glasgow versus Edinbugger, the Kelvingrove has to appeal to charity to keep its self afloat where as the museums of Edinburgh have cash thrown at them, a national ( Scottish ) disgrace. >:(
On a lighter note, next time you visit the Kelvingrove take a dander up to the University and visit its little chapel, very old worldy, and if you are really lucky you may hear the choir singing, and for that brief moment you will be nearer to the Father. ;)
Gonnagle.
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Dear ippy and Brownie,
Loughton!! Best fish and chips I have ever tasted, the chippie is a cross the road from a wee green area with a tree in the middle, which stands beside a wee very English pub, I frequented that pub more times than I care to remember as it stood beside the bus stop I used on my way home to Waltham Abbey.
A question you two wonderful posters might be able to answer, why has the Abbey got zodiac signs on its ceiling??
As for the cockney accent! Listening to two cockneys arguing is a joy, a lot of passion in a cockney argument along with a lot of expletives :o :o
And the wonderful city of London, hard to describe but I love that city, Edmonton, Seven Sisters, Walthamstow, Mile end road, Canary Wharf, don't know what it is but I have always felt at ease in the city of London.
Gonnagle.
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Dear ippy and Brownie,
Loughton!! Best fish and chips I have ever tasted, the chippie is a cross the road from a wee green area with a tree in the middle, which stands beside a wee very English pub, I frequented that pub more times than I care to remember as it stood beside the bus stop I used on my way home to Waltham Abbey.
A question you two wonderful posters might be able to answer, why has the Abbey got zodiac signs on its ceiling??
As for the cockney accent! Listening to two cockneys arguing is a joy, a lot of passion in a cockney argument along with a lot of expletives :o :o
And the wonderful city of London, hard to describe but I love that city, Edmonton, Seven Sisters, Walthamstow, Mile end road, Canary Wharf, don't know what it is but I have always felt at ease in the city of London.
Gonnagle.
I've been in that chippy and that pub.
As to the signs of the zodiac in Waltham Abbey, good coverage here
http://londinoupolis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/the-signs-of-zodiac-in-church.html
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Some of my partners family live in Loughton - I too have been in that chippy!
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Sririam, "Good old Fowler", indeed! I echo your sentiments.
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Dear ippy and Brownie,
Loughton!! Best fish and chips I have ever tasted, the chippie is a cross the road from a wee green area with a tree in the middle, which stands beside a wee very English pub, I frequented that pub more times than I care to remember as it stood beside the bus stop I used on my way home to Waltham Abbey.
A question you two wonderful posters might be able to answer, why has the Abbey got zodiac signs on its ceiling??
As for the cockney accent! Listening to two cockneys arguing is a joy, a lot of passion in a cockney argument along with a lot of expletives :o :o
And the wonderful city of London, hard to describe but I love that city, Edmonton, Seven Sisters, Walthamstow, Mile end road, Canary Wharf, don't know what it is but I have always felt at ease in the city of London.
Gonnagle.
Gonners I have family that live in Grimsby Cleethorps, while I'm sure you enjoyed your Fish and Chips; Fish and Chips in Grimsby and around is the nearest I can imagine to having died gone to heaven and having your first plate of Fish an Chips there and I lived in and around those areas of London you're speaking of and sampled the local cuisine.
I was born in Wood Green, not to be confused With Woodford Green two different places.
Merry Newtons day and a happy new year Gonners.
ippy
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You are not wrong about Grimsby, Ippy!
Visit at least twice a year always stop off for Fish & Chips.
Also the best Lincolnshire sausages I have tasted are sold at Petit & Sons Butchers (a good old fashioned Butcher) just down the street from the Yarborough Hotel.
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You are not wrong about Grimsby, Ippy!
Visit at least twice a year always stop off for Fish & Chips.
Also the best Lincolnshire sausages I have tasted are sold at Petit & Sons Butchers (a good old fashioned Butcher) just down the street from the Yarborough Hotel.
One of my nephews is first engineer on a trawler, 'boy', when he comes back from a fishing trip and he's such a good cook too.
ippy
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Best fish and chips I've had were in Anstruther. My favourite chippie though was L'Alba D'Oro in Edinburgh when you could get a bottle of Dom Perignon with your supper.
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Ah now best fish and chips - that's a dodgy concept.
My best were eaten in a place called Kaikoura on the south Island of New Zealand - but was it the place with huge waves crashing in from the South Pacific ocean, or the lowering clouds that threatened much rain, or the fact that the clouds were back lit by magnificent streaks of lightening, or was it simply the sea air.
And let's face it sea air will improve the most mundane Fish and Chips you can buy!
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Dear ippy,
Ah! The seaside effect, the humble Fish supper is a culinary delight and on the subject of Fish suppers I am a expert ( only through experience, like my faith it is a very personal thing ).
If you ever take a trip to the very beautiful isle of Skye and visit the harbour, there is a chippie on the harbour front which you would swear makes the best cod and chips you have ever tasted ( they are good ) but I have reflected on this subject and came to the concussion I was experiencing the seaside effect, the Loughton chippie beats it on two fronts, the batter was nice and crispy with hardly any chewyness and the actual cod was lovely and moist.
Not to mention the actual chips, floury and retained an actual crunch. :P :P
See!! I was just about to post but old Trent has just explained it a little better than me.
Gonnagle.
Gonnagle.
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Dear Jim,
The Kelvingrove, I love walking round that museum, but then the Kelvingrove is one of the reasons I have a huge chip on my shoulder when it comes to Glasgow versus Edinbugger, the Kelvingrove has to appeal to charity to keep its self afloat where as the museums of Edinburgh have cash thrown at them, a national ( Scottish ) disgrace. >:(
On a lighter note, next time you visit the Kelvingrove take a dander up to the University and visit its little chapel, very old worldy, and if you are really lucky you may hear the choir singing, and for that brief moment you will be nearer to the Father. ;)
Gonnagle.
I know the chapel well, Gonners - 'cos I attended Glasgow Uni back in the days of steam radio!
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Dear ippy,
Ah! The seaside effect, the humble Fish supper is a culinary delight and on the subject of Fish suppers I am a expert ( only through experience, like my faith it is a very personal thing ).
If you ever take a trip to the very beautiful isle of Skye and visit the harbour, there is a chippie on the harbour front which you would swear makes the best cod and chips you have ever tasted ( they are good ) but I have reflected on this subject and came to the concussion I was experiencing the seaside effect, the Loughton chippie beats it on two fronts, the batter was nice and crispy with hardly any chewyness and the actual cod was lovely and moist.
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Not to mention the actual chips, floury and retained an actual crunch. :P :P
See!! I was just about to post but old Trent has just explained it a little better than me.
Gonnagle.
Gonnagle.
I don't for a minute doubt your word about Skye, but there's this little golden coloured disc on the sky that draws me toward it and Skye is in the opposite direction, although I'm sure it's a lovely place with very plesent people living there.
I would think Grimsby fish and chips could be equaled, while I very much doubt they could be bettered; battered, well yes.
ippy
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Just to note breaded rather than battered every time
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ippy,
I have read many essays in my younger days that describe England much the way you have described it. Even Neville Cardus used to write very well, though it was usually about cricket. Always with great detail describing the country side and more importantly...with great love and pride.
My school Principal, a jolly good chap called H O Fowler, was an Anglo-Indian who visited England often and was always very nostalgic about it. He took english classes and when he read out the essays describing England, he would almost choke with emotion. I loved his classes. LOL! Good old Fowler!
I have loved what I have seen of England. Hope you guys manage to keep it that way. :) Something
Cheers.
Sriram
Thank you Sriram, we will manage to keep it this way, mostly those that try to rock our boat are very quietly not let in until they behave themselves in, it's all done without words or a club over the head.
My town is only 20 min from Constable country the river crossing in his picture of the hay wane, still looks much the same as in his picture, Willy Lott's cottage hasn't altered either.
Sorry I can't share the cricket with you, it's far and away much too slow for me; (George Bernard Shaw: cricket, invented by the English, it gives them a greater sense of eternity).
ippy
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Just to note breaded rather than battered every time
To taste.
Ippy
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Dear Sane,
Just to note breaded rather than battered every time
Really!! We are trying to have a serious discussion and you mention breaded!! You are such a heathen :o :o
Gonnagle.
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We go to Bridlington Spa at least once a month dancing. On the way back some of us regularly have an excellent fish and chip meal at Whiteheads in Hornsea. We always book ahead because it's so popular, and I can vouchsafe that the fish and chips are excellent. They have, in fact, been nominated for the 2017 national Fish&Chip Awards :)
http://whiteheadsfishandchips.com/news.php
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Dear Sane,
Really!! We are trying to have a serious discussion and you mention breaded!! You are such a heathen :o :o
Gonnagle.
special fish
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Just to note breaded rather than battered every time
At Hectors, in St Helier, Jersey, you can get deep-fried battered salmon. They eat that in Heaven.
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At Hectors, in St Helier, Jersey, you can get deep-fried battered salmon. They eat that in Heaven.
Anything Jersey can do Guernsey can do better! ;D
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Anything Jersey can do Guernsey can do better! ;D
Huh! Donkeys. ;)