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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: floo on March 22, 2017, 03:26:14 PM

Title: Westminster in lock down
Post by: floo on March 22, 2017, 03:26:14 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39355940

This is HORRIFIC.  :o
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 22, 2017, 03:28:24 PM
Had posted thread and then saw this.


And possibly a car crash as well. Have a lot of friends that could have been around the the HoP, and as Walter has noted his daughter is nearby


At this stage, we need more details.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: floo on March 22, 2017, 03:35:35 PM
Sadly it was only a matter of time before the UK had a nasty incident like this.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Rhiannon on March 22, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
The UK has lived with this kind of incident for as long as I can remember.

My thoughts are with all concerned.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 03:58:15 PM
Had posted thread and then saw this.


And possibly a car crash as well. Have a lot of friends that could have been around the the HoP, and as Walter has noted his daughter is nearby


At this stage, we need more details.
well  my daughter is safe but is not allowed to leave her office at the moment, my thoughts are now with those who have been affected
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Rhiannon on March 22, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
I'm glad she's ok.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
I'm glad she's ok.
thank you , she's my baby x
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 04:18:36 PM
JEEZ !

have you heard the BBC trying to milk it for a story , no wonder journalists come in for a hard  time . Wait until you can provide NEWS  you desperate twats .
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Bubbles on March 22, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Just heard the news, at work so just caught up in my break.

Glad Walters daughter is ok.

We don't know what it's about yet, could be a mentally disturbed person, rather than a terrorist, won't hold my breath though.

Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: wigginhall on March 22, 2017, 04:32:37 PM
Exactly one year since Brussels terror attack, sounds significant.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Anchorman on March 22, 2017, 04:45:03 PM
Glad Walter's daughter's OK. Latest is that one woman has died after the bridge incident.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Just heard the news, at work so just caught up in my break.

Glad Walters daughter is ok.

We don't know what it's about yet, could be a mentally disturbed person, rather than a terrorist, won't hold my breath though.
I'm next to an  airbase , and I saw a QRA go up  TYPHOONS  good in the air but not on our streets
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
I'm next to an  airbase , and I saw a QRA go up  TYPHOONS  good in the air but not on our streets
I have to turn off the BBC NEWS  now  it is becoming offensive . Too many grad students , and old hacks trying to make a name for themselves

especially that LAURA CUENSBERG  She will confirm the earth is flat if it means she will have  work
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Rhiannon on March 22, 2017, 05:12:34 PM
I have been looking at some of the images that are on a newspaper website, and I'm seeing pictures of ordinary people showing huge compassion and bravery in helping the injured. One man (it seems) has caused devastation but many more will be remembered for the goodness they've shown today.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
I have been looking at some of the images that are on a newspaper website, and I'm seeing pictures of ordinary people showing huge compassion and bravery in helping the injured. One man (it seems) has caused devastation but many more will be remembered for the goodness they've shown today.
and I like making plum jam
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Rhiannon on March 22, 2017, 05:25:55 PM
Just seen that one person has been rescued from the Thames.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: jeremyp on March 22, 2017, 06:30:04 PM
JEEZ !

have you heard the BBC trying to milk it for a story

It is a story, no milking needed.

Quote
no wonder journalists come in for a hard  time . Wait until you can provide NEWS  you desperate twats .
The constant requirement for instant news caused by 24 hour news channels and social media has led to the demand to publish anything, verified or not as soon as possible. This would be an interesting topic for a thread, but I don't want to derail this one any further.

I hope your family all come through this safely.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Rhiannon on March 22, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
Obviously the comments on Yahoo News aren't the best place to look for evidence of people whose though processes are quicker than that of the average earthworm, but I did think this perhaps the most spectacularly stupid comment of the day so far.

If police had guns, that first officer would not have been shot.

So the police that shot the attacker were armed with dandelions and tickling sticks then.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Robbie on March 22, 2017, 07:20:13 PM
Beggars belief.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Walter on March 22, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
It is a story, no milking needed.
The constant requirement for instant news caused by 24 hour news channels and social media has led to the demand to publish anything, verified or not as soon as possible. This would be an interesting topic for a thread, but I don't want to derail this one any further.

I hope your family all come through this safely.
thanks , my daughter is not affected .  Start your thread , my particular most annoying person is LAURA CUENSBERG
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Harrowby Hall on March 22, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
Obviously the comments on Yahoo News aren't the best place to look for evidence of people whose though processes are quicker than that of the average earthworm, but I did think this perhaps the most spectacularly stupid comment of the day so far.

If police had guns, that first officer would not have been shot.

So the police that shot the attacker were armed with dandelions and tickling sticks then.

My understanding of the event is that the dead policeman was armed.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: jeremyp on March 23, 2017, 12:21:05 AM
My understanding of the event is that the dead policeman was armed.
Reports say he was not armed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39359158
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Harrowby Hall on March 23, 2017, 06:16:39 AM
You are right - my earlier comment is not correct. I made it because my recollection was that I had seen a senior Scotland Yard official making a statement. He had been asked whether the dead officer was a member of the armed response unit and he had replied "yes".

However, my earlier response was my immediate response to the incredibly stupid comment referred to earlier. I apologise for my mistake.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Bubbles on March 23, 2017, 08:02:49 AM
You are right - my earlier comment is not correct. I made it because my recollection was that I had seen a senior Scotland Yard official making a statement. He had been asked whether the dead officer was a member of the armed response unit and he had replied "yes".

However, my earlier response was my immediate response to the incredibly stupid comment referred to earlier. I apologise for my mistake.

Apparently there is a lot of misinformation out there.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/janelytvynenko/heres-the-misinformation-spreading-about-the-london-attack?utm_term=.ncMLLkrvl#.qg6zzvlx1
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: floo on March 23, 2017, 08:29:20 AM
The police, and everyone else appears to be armed in the US, in consequence gun crime atrocities are common. I am glad our police are not routinely armed.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 09:39:46 AM
Odd to hear victims described as foreigners by Michael Fallon
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
The apple does not fall far....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39361079
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Robbie on March 23, 2017, 10:10:47 AM
That is stupid and broders on slander.
Not surprising but I am in a way surprised, I thought Trump's children were better than him.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: floo on March 23, 2017, 10:39:05 AM
That is stupid and broders on slander.
Not surprising but I am in a way surprised, I thought Trump's children were better than him.

Anything produced by Trump is bound to be tainted! >:(
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 12:23:10 PM
The Mash does well



http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/london-in-grip-of-normality-20170323124711
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: floo on March 23, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Trying to carry on as normal is putting two fingers up to extremist scum.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
Of course civilians get killed elsewhere



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-air-strikes-mosul-230-civilians-killed-dead-isis-held-iraq-battle-islamic-state-a7646011.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Bubbles on March 23, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Trying to carry on as normal is putting two fingers up to extremist scum.

Says Floo, starting to sound like an extremist.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
Says Floo, starting to sound like an extremist.
Nope.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Robbie on March 23, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
Trying to carry on as normal is putting two fingers up to extremist scum.

Yup it is quite amazing how quickly people do get back to normal too. They still have to go to work & live their lives but dont ever feel quite the same if they've been close to a terrorist attack. The general feeling is that lightening wont' strike in same place twice. (Same applies to other disasters, i remember the Kings Cross fire & aftermath. Another girl &I couldn;t get in to work & when we found out why, realised how lucky we were but others travelling on different route were less so.)
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2017, 04:36:31 PM
Yup it is quite amazing how quickly people do get back to normal too. They still have to go to work & live their lives but dont ever feel quite the same if they've been close to a terrorist attack. The general feeling is that lightening wont' strike in same place twice. (Same applies to other disasters, i remember the Kings Cross fire & aftermath. Another girl &I couldn;t get in to work & when we found out why, realised how lucky we were but others travelling on different route were less so.)

Not sure about never feeling the same. I have been in proximity to three bombs when they went off, and while one was a bit pathetic, the other two were pretty scary. Never realm changed how I felt about the places.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Harrowby Hall on March 23, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
There are some worrying features about this attack which are apparently unaddressed by the "standard" model of terrorism. Trump-like (or even Brexit-like) restrictions on immigration would not have prevented this attack. Nor would security checks at airports.

We appear to have a perception that people who commit terrorist acts are young - this man was middle aged and born in Kent. We perceive terrorists to be heavily armed or are wearing explosives under their clothes - this man carried kitchen knives and drove a motor vehicle. The seemingly commonplace could be becoming the weapon of choice.

No doubt Trump would say "Stop Muslims from driving motor vehicles ..."
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: jeremyp on March 23, 2017, 08:14:10 PM
Not sure about never feeling the same. I have been in proximity to three bombs when they went off, and while one was a bit pathetic, the other two were pretty scary. Never realm changed how I felt about the places.

I was in London on the day of the 7/7 attacks. In fact, I got on a Circle line train at Paddington quite normally and was made to get off at Bank (I had been on my way to a merchant bank near Liverpool Street) which means my train must have passed the one with the Edgeware Road bomb in it and was behind the one with the Aldgate bomb.

We were locked in the bank's office all day and let out around 5pm. I then walked to Waterloo Station which was quite an odd experience because there was no vehicle traffic of  any kind in central London and thousands of pedestrians walking, mostly in silence. There was the usual rhetoric and hysteria in the papers about London being in fear and panic, but I saw none of that at all. I just saw people trying to get home.

The next day everything was back to normal and as with you, it didn't change the way I felt about London or the underground at all.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: SusanDoris on March 24, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
More information is coming out about the killer - I wonder what his sources of income were.
Title: Re: Westminster in lock down
Post by: Udayana on March 26, 2017, 11:48:33 AM
I'm confused by the calls for the government to have access to WhatsApp's encrypted messages (eg Amber Rudd on the Andrew Marr programme).

Surely the police have access to Masood's phone, and must have broken into it to be able to see that he was on WhatsApp? If not, are they are not able to break into the phone?.