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Title: And the correct time is...
Post by: Rhiannon on April 03, 2017, 07:51:12 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39129620
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Post by: floo on April 03, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
I like to know the time to the nearest second, most of our clocks and watches are radio controlled.
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Post by: cecily on April 04, 2017, 06:39:00 AM
I like to know the time to the nearest second, most of our clocks and watches are radio controlled.

Just a tad anal?
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
Just a tad anal?

What a lovely comment from a NEWBIE! ::)
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Post by: Harrowby Hall on April 04, 2017, 08:49:43 AM
What a welcome, Floo!

Are you objecting to a post because you perceive it is not complimentary and comes from a newcomer to forum? Do newcomers have to prove something before they can make comments you consider critical? All members of this forum, no matter what their experience, have a right to express their opinions.

All Cecily is doing is using established Freudian personality development theory terminology to suggest that an apparent somewhat obsessive behaviour on your part may be due to experiences when you were little more than a neonate. Now, if what you are really objecting to is the use of pseudo-scientific psychoanalytical bollocks ... then I am with you.

By the way, what benefit do you get from knowing the time to the nearest second?
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 08:55:37 AM
I thought it was rather a rude comment.

What is wrong with liking to know the exact time?
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Post by: Harrowby Hall on April 04, 2017, 09:22:33 AM
I thought it was rather a rude comment.

What is wrong with liking to know the exact time?

You object to the term anal because you consider it to be rude, but do not know its derivation. Fine. But this forum is full of contributors being confrontational to each other. Does Cecily - as a new member - have to serve a probation period before she can behave similarly?

Nothing is wrong with liking to know the correct time - but you said to the nearest second. This is surely nothing more than hyperbole, if not, then it appears rather obsessive.
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Post by: Gordon on April 04, 2017, 10:03:38 AM
I thought it was rather a rude comment.

What is wrong with liking to know the exact time?

It isn't intended to be rude, Floo, and as HH points out it is shorthand for being 'anally retentive': a term that has its roots in psychoanalysis of the Freudian type.

It is commonly used today to describe someone who tends to be excessively/obsessively concerned about precise details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentiveness
 
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Post by: Rhiannon on April 04, 2017, 10:05:47 AM
Good ballsy comment though.  :D
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Post by: ad_orientem on April 04, 2017, 10:13:44 AM
That Freud was weird though.
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Post by: Udayana on April 04, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
Is there such a thing as the "correct" time?

Apart from Einstein et al ... I'm sure time is not only relative but entirely subjective.

I find that the faster I swim the slower the clock goes round :(

Thinking/listening/looking "slowly" .. seems to create more time?
More attention/information = more time. More entropy = less time?

Dali had it right with his melted/bendy clocks!
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
I really cannot see anything wrong in liking to know the exact time.
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Post by: Rhiannon on April 04, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
And that's the point - no-one said it was wrong.
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
My fault for mentioning our radio controlled clocks! ::)
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Post by: Gordon on April 04, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
I really cannot see anything wrong in liking to know the exact time.

It isn't 'wrong', or for that matter 'right', but its relevance does vary.

For example, as I write this the time is approximately 10.45 am and in my current circumstances that is good enough. However, I if fancy a bet in the 4.20 at Southwell this afternoon, or if I'm to catch a certain train, knowing the precise time then becomes more important if I'm to do what I intend doing.
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 11:20:30 AM
According to my family what makes me TICK is more different to that of others. The caption from a Mother's Day card my eldest did for me a few years ago, says it all. "Some Mothers are normal, then there is mine!" ;D
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Post by: Enki on April 04, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
Oh well we are all different and according to my family I am more different than others. The caption from a Mother's Day card my eldest did for me a few years ago, says it all. "Some Mothers are normal, then there is mine!" ;D

No problem, Floo. My two grand daughters constantly tell me I am 'weird' which I consider a badge of honour.

I was going to write more, but I need to keep checking the clock for the exact time... :)
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
I like to do things at certain times each day, this has got more so since I have got older, and no doubt more senile.
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Post by: Rhiannon on April 04, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
I used to live by the clock when the kids were little. Such a relief not to have to do that now.
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
I never feel thirsty, and have certain times of the day when I have a drink, usually a glass of water, otherwise I would get dehydrated.
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Post by: Bramble on April 04, 2017, 12:04:54 PM
I like to know the time to the nearest second, most of our clocks and watches are radio controlled.

You could try ditching your watch and writing 'Now' on your wrist. Then you'd always be correct  :)
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Post by: jeremyp on April 04, 2017, 12:43:34 PM
What a lovely comment from a NEWBIE! ::)
Well done. Frighten off the new blood.
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Post by: BeRational on April 04, 2017, 05:18:38 PM
I really cannot see anything wrong in liking to know the exact time.

There is no such thing though.

For example the time in your kitchen is different to the time in your living room if you measure accurately enough.
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Post by: Gordon on April 04, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
Remembered this from yonks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjHlFPTwVk
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 05:19:38 PM
There us more such thing though.

For example the time in your kitchen is different to the time in your living room if you measure accurately enough.

Ehhhhhhhhhh?
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Post by: BeRational on April 04, 2017, 05:20:24 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhh?

Every point in space has its own time.
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 05:29:51 PM
Every point in space has its own time.

I have no idea what you are talking about?
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Post by: Robbie on April 04, 2017, 06:30:14 PM
Speaking of time, my watch went in washing machine today before I went out. I couldn't find it & put on another one. When I got home I emptied the washer and there it was,none the worse! This watch is quite a cheap sports watch,I'd have been more concerned had a more expensive one gone on a wash cycle but having said that,I really like the 'drowned' watch and wear it most ofthe time.
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Post by: floo on April 04, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
Speaking of time, my watch went in washing machine today before I went out. I couldn't find it & put on another one. When I got home I emptied the washer and there it was,none the worse! This watch is quite a cheap sports watch,I'd have been more concerned had a more expensive one gone on a wash cycle but having said that,I really like the 'drowned' watch and wear it most ofthe time.

I am glad it is still working.

A few months ago, unusually for me didn't check the pockets of my husband's jeans before putting them in the machine, and later discover one ruined mobile phone! When I got told off for my carelessness, the ear bashing he got from me for not checking them himself was probably heard on the moon! ;D
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Post by: Robbie on April 04, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
You can often dry out a mobile phone, upended. I dropped one down the....somewhere....once. It was iffy for a day or so and then worked perfectly, still does.
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Post by: floo on April 05, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
You can often dry out a mobile phone, upended. I dropped one down the....somewhere....once. It was iffy for a day or so and then worked perfectly, still does.

His didn't, we had to get him a new one.
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about?

It means there is no such thing as the exact time.
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Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 05, 2017, 09:55:17 AM
There is no such thing though.

For example the time in your kitchen is different to the time in your living room if you measure accurately enough.
If I wanted the exact time I'd definitely come to you.
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 10:09:34 AM
If I wanted the exact time I'd definitely come to you.

There is no such thing, that is rather the point!
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Post by: floo on April 05, 2017, 10:32:37 AM
It means there is no such thing as the exact time.

Explain
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
Explain

every point in space has its own time.

The time at one end of your living room is DIFFERENT to the other end.

For example if you set you watch by the pip sent by radio, this radio wave travelled from the sender to you and took a certain amount of time. Therefore when you heard the pip it was NOT at the same time that it was sent, so you cannot have the same time.

Message take time to travel through space.  When you travel in a car or in plane, time passes slower for you than for someone stationary with respect to you. Time is NOT absolute is the key point.
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Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 05, 2017, 12:31:44 PM
every point in space has its own time.

The time at one end of your living room is DIFFERENT to the other end.

For example if you set you watch by the pip sent by radio, this radio wave travelled from the sender to you and took a certain amount of time. Therefore when you heard the pip it was NOT at the same time that it was sent, so you cannot have the same time.

Message take time to travel through space.  When you travel in a car or in plane, time passes slower for you than for someone stationary with respect to you. Time is NOT absolute is the key point.
So what you are saying is that there are things which can only be experienced by individual quarks etc. or is even worse than that?
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
So what you are saying is that there are things which can only be experienced by individual quarks etc. or is even worse than that?

Did not mention quarks, just that there is no such thing as absolute time.

As we know, time is relative.
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Post by: floo on April 05, 2017, 01:34:24 PM
every point in space has its own time.

The time at one end of your living room is DIFFERENT to the other end.

For example if you set you watch by the pip sent by radio, this radio wave travelled from the sender to you and took a certain amount of time. Therefore when you heard the pip it was NOT at the same time that it was sent, so you cannot have the same time.

Message take time to travel through space.  When you travel in a car or in plane, time passes slower for you than for someone stationary with respect to you. Time is NOT absolute is the key point.

Hmmmmmmmmmm!
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm!

You might now see that time is very complex, and in fact no scientist knows what is really is!

It appears nowhere in any physics.
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Post by: floo on April 05, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
You might now see that time is very complex, and in fact no scientist knows what is really is!

It appears nowhere in any physics.

I will have to take your word for it as I flunked science at school.
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
I will have to take your word for it as I flunked science at school.

Please do not take my word for it.

Check what scientists who study physics say.

for example Sean Carroll:-

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/10/18/is-time-real/
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Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 05, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
Did not mention quarks, just that there is no such thing as absolute time.

As we know, time is relative.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is I accept that time may be different at either ends of my front room....but what about either ends of a quark which is the smallest unitary thing I can think of?
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 02:05:50 PM
I guess what I'm trying to get at is I accept that time may be different at either ends of my front room....but what about either ends of a quark which is the smallest unitary thing I can think of?

Perhaps, but we do not know anything for sure.

They may not be the smallest things, it might be strings
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Post by: floo on April 05, 2017, 02:12:50 PM
Please do not take my word for it.

Check what scientists who study physics say.

for example Sean Carroll:-

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/10/18/is-time-real/

I looked the topic up a few minutes ago, and I apologise for doubting you, :-[ not that I understood the explanations, being thick where science is concerned.

However, I have often wondered if the passage of time is an illusion. The past, present and future are fixed points on a circular base, and we just live doing our bit in the era in which we find ourselves. OK that is probably a crazy notion, but it seems to me as if it could be a possibility.
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 02:17:45 PM
I looked the topic up a few minutes ago, and I apologise for doubting you, :-[ not that I understood the explanations, being thick where science is concerned.

However, I have often wondered if the passage of time is an illusion. The past, present and future are fixed points on a circular base, and we just live doing our bit in the era in which we find ourselves. OK that is probably a crazy notion, but it seems to me as if it could be a possibility.

He also goes on to say in anther lecture, that ALL moments in time are equal, and that they are real, so it might be whatever you were doing at some moment in the past, you will ALWAYS be doing.
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Post by: Robbie on April 05, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
I looked the topic up a few minutes ago, and I apologise for doubting you, :-[ not that I understood the explanations, being thick where science is concerned.

However, I have often wondered if the passage of time is an illusion. The past, present and future are fixed points on a circular base, and we just live doing our bit in the era in which we find ourselves. OK that is probably a crazy notion, but it seems to me as if it could be a possibility.

Not a crazy notion at all and what BeRational said.
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Post by: Udayana on April 05, 2017, 02:33:55 PM

"Time is great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils" - Berlioz

"Glance into the world just as though time were gone: and everything crooked will become straight to you" - Nietzsche

(just pinched from Carroll's book)

Not sure if time is real - but we all have heartbeats...
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Post by: Rhiannon on April 05, 2017, 02:36:21 PM

Not sure if time is real - but we all have heartbeats...

Ooh, now that is something to bend my mind on a Wednesday afternoon.
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Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on April 05, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
Perhaps, but we do not know anything for sure.

They may not be the smallest things, it might be strings
How would something like a string fit in with your theory? Would a string contain the time differential of what you speak?
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Post by: BeRational on April 05, 2017, 03:49:19 PM
How would something like a string fit in with your theory? Would a string contain the time differential of what you speak?

I have no idea.

Nor does anyone else at the moment.

I don't have a theory