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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: floo on April 10, 2017, 01:41:23 PM
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It is shameful that we have such a problem here & we don't hear that much about it, it's as if the government is trying to keep such things hidden.
Some of the Benefit cuts will make child poverty worse. It's always the vulnerable who suffer most.
What your daughter's church is doing sounds excellent. Food banks are good,quite discreet & they take money donations as well as food parcels.
Play centres in school premises during the holidays could provide simple meals, possibly do already.
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It is shameful that we have such a problem here & we don't hear that much about it, it's as if the government is trying to keep such things hidden.
Some of the Benefit cuts will make child poverty worse. It's always the vulnerable who suffer most.
What your daughter's church is doing sounds excellent. Food banks are good,quite discreet & they take money donations as well as food parcels.
Play centres in school premises during the holidays could provide simple meals, possibly do already.
I have just found a similar scheme in Middlesbrough.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/communities-church-provide-free-lunches-children-school-holidays-poverty-uk
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That is am excelletn scheme and it is always good for people to be involved in helping but, floo, isn't it appalling that such levels of poverty exist in our fairly affluent society? Whilst I applaud community effofrts the government are getting away with it and they waste so much money that could put food into kids like those ones. It's very uncaring.
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That is am excelletn scheme and it is always good for people to be involved in helping but, floo, isn't it appalling that such levels of poverty exist in our fairly affluent society? Whilst I applaud community effofrts the government are getting away with it and they waste so much money that could put food into kids like those ones. It's very uncaring.
What money do you see as the govt wasting, and how would ypu like it to be channelled to ensure no child is hungry?
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I think Government funds are pretty overstretched as it is.
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I think Government funds are pretty overstretched as it is.
That's in part because you approve of having nuclear weapons and the chance to kill millions of children
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That's in part because you approve of having nuclear weapons and the chance to kill millions of children
I don't approve of nuclear weapons, it would be great if everyone disposed of them, but until such time unfortunately we need to hang onto ours as a deterrent.
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I don't approve of nuclear weapons, it would be great if everyone disposed of them, but until such time unfortunately we need to hang onto ours as a deterrent.
In which case you approve of us having them, spending the money on them, and being willing to kill millions of children with them.
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Wot NS said. The hypocrisy of maintaining weapons designed to kill innocent children while the government which maintains them 'reforms' the welfare system in such a way that charities need to step in and stop our children developing malnutrition, is a disgrace to the civilised world.
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I'd get rid of the lot of them. Not sure they are really a deterrant.
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It doesn't take long before a thread gets completely off topic! ::)
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It doesn't take long before a thread gets completely off topic! ::)
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OK, let's get back to the inhuman austerity policies which have led to a multiplication of food banks, disabled people committing suicide, and children going hungry in one of the richest countries on the planet.
What's your answer?
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OK, let's get back to the inhuman austerity policies which have led to a multiplication of food banks, disabled people committing suicide, and children going hungry in one of the richest countries on the planet.
What's your answer?
I don't think there is a simple answer to that question.
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I don't think there is a simple answer to that question.
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Nice evasion.
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Nice evasion.
I am not evading the question. What do you want me to say, increase council tax bills substantially?
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floo, council tax bills have nothing to do with Westminster's disgraceful curb on welfare spending which has led to foodbanks multiplying, disabled committing suicide and hungry children. At the same time they want to waste over £30 billion on weapons of mass destruction and another couple of billion upgrading the glorified wedding cake that passes for their office, and the qureen's London doss house, Buckingham palace. I repeat; that's over 30 billion quid. How many food banks would that cash close? Or how many free school meals in term time and holidays would it finance?
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Dear Floo,
How are you this morning, I hope your little scratch his healing well, here is the answer to your question, vote for Jeremy Corbyn or OR, tell the Tories to sort out all the tax avoiders, stop punishing the rich, tell everyone that they pay the same amount of tax, rich or poor ( well after we make sure that the big boys pay all their back taxes that they owe us ) or OR, we could do what old almost sensible or oor Jim says and ban trident.
Gonnagle.
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I think that one issue here is that the government hasn't caught up with the brave new world that we are living in. Our Trident system is like Scrappy Doo trying to beat up a Yeti when it comes to global playing even if a 'nuclear deterrent' was actually a thing. More to the point, we don't live in a world where the country's finances can keep propping up old buildings, however beautiful, however important. We just can't afford that luxury any more.
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I think that one issue here is that the government hasn't caught up with the brave new world that we are living in. Our Trident system is like Scrappy Doo trying to beat up a Yeti when it comes to global playing even if a 'nuclear deterrent' was actually a thing. More to the point, we don't live in a world where the country's finances can keep propping up old buildings, however beautiful, however important. We just can't afford that luxury any more.
They like have the expensive toys that get you to the big table, even if you are stuck in the baby chair and fed gruel. The expense of the HoP will be to make it slightly less unfit for purpose.
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Dear Rhiannon,
We just can't afford that luxury any more.
Oh! but we can, we are rich I tell you!! rich!! Here's a thought, tell old Branson or that bloke who owns Microsoft that they can still sell their products in dear old blighty but only if they fix Westminster, in return we could give them permission to take their sheep over Westminster bridge, well!! It is only fair ::)
Gonnagle.
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OK, let's get back to the inhuman austerity policies which have led to a multiplication of food banks, disabled people committing suicide, and children going hungry in one of the richest countries on the planet.
What's your answer?
This thread hasn't gone off topic floo. Weapons of mass destruction cost more than most of us can begin to imagine & are no deterrent; if someone was mad enough to wish to zap us and wreak havoc they'd do it regardless.
Anchor in his next post listed areas in which money could be saved.
Benefit cuts are hitting lots of people who go out to work but have been receiving benefits to supplement their wages (tax credits, housing benefit), so much so that many can't afford to regularly put food on the table and they get into arrears with their bills. There are also unclaimed Benefits to which many would be entitled if they knew how to go about it resulting in a pot of money that sits in the coffers untouched. Those on State Benefits are demonised by the media which is cruel because they're not all 'underclass' or 'scroungers'.
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Dear Floo,
How are you this morning, I hope your little scratch his healing well, here is the answer to your question, vote for Jeremy Corbyn or OR, tell the Tories to sort out all the tax avoiders, stop punishing the rich, tell everyone that they pay the same amount of tax, rich or poor ( well after we make sure that the big boys pay all their back taxes that they owe us ) or OR, we could do what old almost sensible or oor Jim says and ban trident.
Gonnagle.
I have just been dealing with some sharp branches I cut off a bush, suffice to say my looks have been enhanced even further. :o
As for Corbyn, he might be a decent guy, but as the Labour Party leader he is as much use as a dead lettuce.
Many of you are old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, without the nuclear deterrent I fear it might have had a very different outcome. Those who want to talk about nuclear weapons should start a new thread. ::)
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Why, floo? Seriously; why shouldn;t the money we spend on these things be better spent feeding the poor in our wealthy nation?
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Could anyone guarantee that the money saved by not spending on Trident, EU contributions, maintaining high status buildings or recovered by taxing private school or health services, global businesses, the rich, etc will actually go to eradicating hunger or poverty? Even if only within the UK.
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Dear Udayana,
Guarantee's, don't think anyone can give you guarantee's, what I can say, a fool and his money are easily parted, and spending on Trident is foolish, better to give that money to education and give the poor the education to work themselves out of poverty, no handouts just a helping hand.
Gonnagle.
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Udayana has a point. I think people wouldn't object to higher taxes were it not for the continual pig's ear that is made of public spending.
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I too think he has a point, Rhiannon. There are no guarantees, we can't trust the government to spend any saved money where we want it to go. A lot of it would just sit in the vaults while the powers that be talk about it! It is very sad indeed that there is such a lack of trust.
Agree with Gonnagle that more money should be put into education for the reasons he states but I've no objection to people having handouts if they need them, especially the most vulnerable in society which includes kids.
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Wot NS said. The hypocrisy of maintaining weapons designed to kill innocent children
Weapons are designed to kill, true, but to think that any Government here would put killing children top of the list if it came to the point of using the nuclear bomb is utterly ridiculous. It is a weapon of very last resort and its presence so far has probably helped to prevent their proliferation and use in or by less stable countries, and \I see no reason why they should not continue to do so.
I'm with Floo on this. And I shall not respond to any other posts on the subject.
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Weapons are designed to kill, true, but to think that any Government here would put killing children top of the list if it came to the point of using the nuclear bomb is utterly ridiculous. It is a weapon of very last resort and its presence so far has probably helped to prevent their proliferation and use in or by less stable countries, and \I see no reason why they should not continue to do so.
I'm with Floo on this. And I shall not respond to any other posts on the subject.
No one said it would be at the top of the list. Just a fact that children would be evaporated because they are indiscriminate. If you don't want to discuss things, then I suggest you shouldn't misrepresent people.