Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on July 02, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
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Not a parody!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/28/samantha-cameron-cant-afford-designer-clothes-have-kids-mortgage/amp/
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BOO HOO! What a terrible plight! ::)
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Samantha Cameron didn't say she was on the breadline.
During the interview, amongst other things,she said(was probably asked), she can't afford to go out and buy all sorts of designer clothes,she has a family & big mortgage. Like lots of other people! She has to budget. Her budget is bigger than many, smaller than some.
Her own line of clothing,Cefinn, is excellent! It's been well received so far &I hope it goes on to be a great success. I admire independent women.
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Sometimes, if you keep your eyes peeled, you can buy designer clothes in charity shops ;)
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What is the big deal about designer clothes? You are just paying for the label, imo.
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Sometimes, if you keep your eyes peeled, you can buy designer clothes in charity shops ;)
Yes you can!
There are also people who make wonderful not-quite copies, bespoke, good quality goods which are great for special occasions.
Most of us don't bother about it that much floo.
All Samantha Cameron was saying was that she couldn't justify the expense. She was probably asked probing questions, you know what journalists are like, they blow up things out of context.
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My mother, who died in 2013, used to wear designer clothes, she just loved dressing up, and having four daughters she just loved dressing us up too. ::) All these years later I am still rebelling. ;D I only discard my T shirts and trousers on very special occasions, like my father's funeral in 2005. It a bit like a state occasion, as he has been a senior politician, even HM was represented, being the eldest child I was the chief mourner.
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What is the big deal about designer clothes? You are just paying for the label, imo.
No.
A lot of the time it's quality. The material itself is usually much better quality, and used more generously so it's cut better ( grain of fabric) so it hangs on you better. Also the seams are more generous and don't fall apart. Also they are often lined, and if you are lucky enough to find one the lining isn't the cheap sort, but the whole thing is quality.
Charity shops is a good place to buy as sometimes people wear them a couple of times and throw them out.
No one knows where you bought it from, or that it's second hand.
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Unless I was on the breadline I would never want to wear anyone's hand me downs. I could afford designer clothes if I wished to wear them, but regard them as a complete waste of money.
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Whether it's such a bargain nowadays as it used to be, as even people like Kate Moss look around.
http://www.standard.co.uk/shopping/esbest/the-10-best-charity-shops-in-london-10300874.html
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Whether it's such a bargain nowadays as it used to be, as even people like Kate Moss look around.
http://www.standard.co.uk/shopping/esbest/the-10-best-charity-shops-in-london-10300874.html
Big deal, who wants to be like Kate Moss? I certainly don't! :o
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Unless I was on the breadline I would never want to wear anyone's hand me downs. I could afford designer clothes if I wished to wear them, but regard them as a complete waste of money.
Nothing wrong with good quality comfortable clothes that look nicer.
You can't take your money with you Floo, why not have the best if you can afford it?
Wasted money is money left in the bank, and never spent getting some enjoyment out of life.
All that happens to it, is someone else spends it, having a good time when you are no longer around.
How can buying yourself nice quality clothes be a waste of money? You have to wear something, why not something nice?
:o
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Big deal, who wants to be like Kate Moss? I certainly don't! :o
My point was that she could afford to buy designer dresses if she wanted to.
I don't think there is any danger of you becoming like Kate Moss. :-X
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I looked at the Ceffin website (don't like green, the colour of the first dress on the list! The dress does come in other colours though), like Samantha Cameron's uncomplicated designs. She seems to be designing clothes that would suit her or she would like to wear too. They look very comfortable and smart casual.
I'd imagine most of us buy our stuff from high street stores or online, I'm happy with Wallis, Debenhams, M&S but for something special I'd look anywhere.
Simple, plain and inexpensive outfits can look really goodd if expensive accessories are added.
Many young people buy designer clothes from good charity shops, they get some real bargains, things they couldn't otherwise afford. Nothing wrong with that.
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Yes, my wife gets a ton of designer jeans from charity shops. It depends where you live, but in some parts of London, the idle rich buy something and wear it a couple of times and discard.
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EBay's good too.
I thought we'd moved beyond looking down our noses at buying second hand. Apparently not.
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EBay's good too.
I thought we'd moved beyond looking down our noses at buying second hand. Apparently not.
So did I.
Recycling good quality clothes, is a green sort of thing to do. People are more aware nowadays.
Pity they scrapped the glass bottles, I suppose you are too young to remember taking the corona bottles back to the shop for 10p each 😀
I know glass is heavy shopping wise, but I used to like the idea of recycling bottles.
You could earn some pocket money that way, it would be nice to see that come back, rather than the problems with plastics and litter we have now.
Apparently there are islands of plastics floating about in the sea 😧
buying second hand clothing has become fashionable too, it's a form of recycling.
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Memory lane, the good old days!
http://www.recyclingwasteworld.co.uk/opinion/deposit-and-return-time-to-bring-back-10p-for-old-bottles/141412/
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Nothing wrong with good quality comfortable clothes that look nicer.
You can't take your money with you Floo, why not have the best if you can afford it?
Wasted money is money left in the bank, and never spent getting some enjoyment out of life.
All that happens to it, is someone else spends it, having a good time when you are no longer around.
How can buying yourself nice quality clothes be a waste of money? You have to wear something, why not something nice?
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I like wearing T shirts and trousers, that suits me, I dislike dressing up. As for money my husband and I live comfortably enough, but don't go overboard on ourselves. We much prefer to help our family out and donate to various charities.
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We dress to suit our lifestyles floo. I wear comfortable trousers and tops for work with jacket or raincoat if it's cold. I walk about a bit and use the car so anything more 'dressy' would be complicated. Same applies to shoes, they look nice but are right for the job.
I tend to wear similar stuff when not at work - but a bit different so I don't look like I'm going to work :D.
However dressing up is something I enjoy when occasion demands.
Charity shopping is trendy especially for the young. Anyone who is good at altering and embellishing to make an outfit look original has plenty to choose from in a decent charity shop.
Ebay is marvellous.
I give decent clothing to charity shops so no reason why people should not buy good stuff second hand.
People who spend money on themselves usually spend money on their kids & give to charities, one doesn't make the other impossible.
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We dress to suit our lifestyles floo. I wear comfortable trousers and tops for work with jacket or raincoat if it's cold. I walk about a bit and use the car so anything more 'dressy' would be complicated. Same applies to shoes, they look nice but are right for the job.
I tend to wear similar stuff when not at work - but a bit different so I don't look like I'm going to work :D.
However dressing up is something I enjoy when occasion demands.
Charity shopping is trendy especially for the young. Anyone who is good at altering and embellishing to make an outfit look original has plenty to choose from in a decent charity shop.
Ebay is marvellous.
I give decent clothing to charity shops so no reason why people should not buy good stuff second hand.
People who spend money on themselves usually spend money on their kids & give to charities, one doesn't make the other impossible.
I can't think of anything for myself on which I want to splash the cash. I dislike holidays, eating out, dressing up, socialising, apart from with my family. I do like brand new cars, and giving my year old ones to whichever daughter wants it, but this year I have my arm up my back not to buy another, as I really don't need it.
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Oh yes, cars! I identify with that one.
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I can't think of anything for myself on which I want to splash the cash. I dislike holidays, eating out, dressing up, socialising, apart from with my family. I do like brand new cars, and giving my year old ones to whichever daughter wants it, but this year I have my arm up my back not to buy another, as I really don't need it.
I can never understand why people want to buy brand new cars. Throwing money down the drain imo. Still if you've got it to waste then its up to you!
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They do depreciate in value quickly. A well maintained car not more than a couple of years old is good but like you say, it's up to the individual.
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A car is a tin box with a wheel at each corner that gets you from A to B. Some people with distorted senses of value imagine that being seen in a large, expensive vehicle with a recent number plate gives them social status.
My car is 12 years old and apart from running costs involved expenditure of £350 over the past year.
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I adore my car, it's an ex demo and just had its first MOT. I intend to lose it only when keeping it is uneconomical or unsafe.
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I adore my car, it's an ex demo and just had its first MOT. I intend to lose it only when keeping it is uneconomical or unsafe.
That's when you're driving the thing, isn't it? :D
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That's when you're driving the thing, isn't it? :D
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If it ain't broke don't fix it!
My dad had his last car for years until he gave up driving at 87. It was immaculate.
My car is about four years old, I bought it at two. Long may it survive, it's lovely! I did have a brand new car when I was young, i remember people used to say then it was better to buy a new one but change it after two years (where did that come from?). I had mine for about seve n years & twas still good when I traded it in. At the time I needed something a bit more roomy, or thought I did at the time.
What I could do with is a new laptop. This one has a cracked screen, depending on the position and light it can be difficult to read what I type,peculiar little squares appear sometimes & the cursor flutters! So I'm thinking about a new Mac. Yet I could probably have this Dell repaired, it was repaired for something else earlier in the year, so we'll see.
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I did just upgrade my iPod, using my phone isn't the same and iTunes stopped talking to my Classic. I love it, although it's weird having something like my phone only it doesn't make phone calls.
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I did just upgrade my iPod, using my phone isn't the same and iTunes stopped talking to my Classic. I love it, although it's weird having something like my phone only it doesn't make phone calls.
If your phone is with 02 you can download an app called TU go, which means all messages and calls go through all your devices. So then you can take calls and messages on your IPod or IPad.
When a call comes through you can take it from any of your devices, and they ALL ring 😁 Not just your iPhone.
Text also goes to them all
https://tu.com/en/
You can turn everything into a phone 😁💐
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Samantha Cameron didn't say she was on the breadline.
During the interview, amongst other things,she said(was probably asked), she can't afford to go out and buy all sorts of designer clothes,she has a family & big mortgage. Like lots of other people! She has to budget. Her budget is bigger than many, smaller than some.
Her own line of clothing,Cefinn, is excellent! It's been well received so far &I hope it goes on to be a great success. I admire independent women.
No, she didn't say she was on the breadline, that was me using irony. The reason for doing so is that S Cameron isn't just any woman and her comments show a jaw dropping lack if awareness, empathy and humility. Now we have to be careful that this is obviously a reported conversation but it is essentially a puff piece in a paper sympathetic to her position and that of her husband. Now, she is not responsible for all the actions of her husband but she has never spoken out against the actions of the govt he led, which voted for the paycap on public sector workers, for people who save lives.
For her then to talk about not how she 'didn’t have disposable income, with childcare and mortgage etc, to buy designer clothes', when people affected by those policies didn't have disposable income to put food on the table for their kids is echoing Marie Antoinette. I an sure she worked hard at her venture and,good luck to her, but I bet it's a tad easier being the wife of someone who was PM. Throughout a lit of the scandals we have seen recently, there is a mephitic stink of corruption. Murdoch has just been approved to take over SKY completely not long after Leveson. His former editors were a close friend of Cameron and another an employee.
We are in the midst of the repercussions of Grenfell, in walking distance from one of the 2 homes the Cameron's use, the one which is worth 2 million that thet rent out, not the one where Dave has just spent 25,000 on a shed, so I would expect her to think that this doesn't reflect well on her thoughts. If she had any awareness, she could easily have avoided what sounds like a whinge about not having enough disposable income when her husband can earn 100,000 from a single speech.
I don't begrudge anyone making money or spending it in ways I might think frivolous but I think the wife of the ex PM shows a complete lack of humility in not underlining just how lucky she is.
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I can never understand why people want to buy brand new cars. Throwing money down the drain imo. Still if you've got it to waste then its up to you!
I have had many used cars over the years, but never found them entirely satisfactory. I can afford to buy a new car wherever I want one, so why not, it isn't as if I spend my money on any other frippery.
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Quite right floo, everyone is allowed at least one luxury if they can afford it & one man's luxury is another man's whatever.
My sister had a horse stabled locally for some years until it died, she then decided not to have another one, was happy to just go riding at the stables with her children, but she loved that horse and it was good for all of them & us while she had him.
NS I feel you are being harsh on Sam Cam, no doubt she does appreciate what she has & she's done nothing wrong. Was almost certainly quoted out of context by that newspaper & she isn't responsible for mistakes made by her husband. She's a person in her own right, not just wife of ex-PM. I feel no resentment of her success or any of her material wealth, don't think she was rubbing anyone's nose in anything. She has undoubtedly had bad times- not all bad times are financial. All the money in the world doesn't buy good health and happiness or stop anyone feeling grief.
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Quite right floo, everyone is allowed at least one luxury if they can afford it & one man's luxury is another man's whatever.
My sister had a horse stabled locally for some years until it died, she then decided not to have another one, was happy to just go riding at the stables with her children, but she loved that horse and it was good for all of them & us while she had him.
NS I feel you are being harsh on Sam Cam, no doubt she does appreciate what she has & she's done nothing wrong. Was almost certainly quoted out of context by that newspaper & she isn't responsible for mistakes made by her husband. She's a person in her own right, not just wife of ex-PM. I feel no resentment of her success or any of her material wealth, don't think she was rubbing anyone's nose in anything. She has undoubtedly had bad times- not all bad times are financial. All the money in the world doesn't buy good health and happiness or stop anyone feeling grief.
Any evidence that she was quoted out of context? Again you have ignored that this is a Tory friendly paper, that she could easily have stressed how lucky she is and that she had undoubtedly benefitted from being the OM's wife in setting up any business. Any evidence that she opposed stripping of benefits from disabled people under her partner's govt where people died as a result?
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She is not responsible for her stupid husband's actions.Yes it is a Tory loving paper but still couldn't resist making a big thing out of some of what she said - which I believe was deliberately provocative though I have no proof. Honestly you are making too much of this NS. Take it out on the Tory MPs not their wives or husbands - or are they gullty by association?
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Honestly you are making too much of this NS. Take it out on the Tory MPs not their wives or husbands - or are they gullty by association?
Generally the safest course of action with Tories ;)
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She is not responsible for her stupid husband's actions.Yes it is a Tory loving paper but still couldn't resist making a big thing out of some of what she said - which I believe was deliberately provocative though I have no proof. Honestly you are making too much of this NS. Take it out on the Tory MPs not their wives or husbands - or are they gullty by association?
If they are their own people as you argue and don't speak out against policies that lead to people dying, then pretty much yes. Let's remember this is the wife of the PM, who led the party and govt, that put in place policies that hounded disabled people to death. And that she has benefitted in setting up her business from the connections that exist because of that.
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Just sounds to me like a bit of puff in her marketing/motivational talk - she was pitching to an audience that would relate to what she said, if not the reality of her family income. Something and nothing cherry picked by a rag.
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Just sounds to me like a bit of puff in her marketing/motivational talk - she was pitching to an audience that would relate to what she said, if not the reality of her family income. Something and nothing cherry picked by a rag.
And maybe fine except because of who she is, and her husband having presided over supporting a regime where people have died because of the realities of their dispisable income. and in a rag sympathetic to her.
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I don't find the article sympathetic.
You may be right to loathe her husband for what he did, with or without her support, but I don't see the relevance here.
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I don't find the article sympathetic.
You may be right to loathe her husband for what he did, with or without her support, but I don't see the relevance here.
Because she by not speaking out did support a policy that lead to the deaths of peopke through lack of actual disposable income, and she runs through a worry here tgat mocks that
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Because she by not speaking out did support a policy that lead to the deaths of peopke through lack of actual disposable income, and she runs through a worry here tgat mocks that
No, it's not a worry though, is it? It's a marketing line that says to her very specific audience, we are all working women here,I empathise, go and buy some of my clobber because it's cheaper than designer but look, it's just as good! It's not a genuine complaint and it wasn't meant for general consumption or to generate sympathy.
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No, it's not a worry though, is it? It's a marketing line that says to her very specific audience, we are all working women here,I empathise, go and buy some of my clobber because it's cheaper than designer but look, it's just as good! It's not a genuine complaint and it wasn't meant for general consumption or to generate sympathy.
In what way is a marketing line not meant to create the sympathy of she's on, just like us, with the same worries? and if it wasn't for general consumption is trying to get a puff piece in a national newspaper not exactly the wrong way to go.
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Whatever. She doesn't interest me enough to make it worth debating over further.
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If they are their own people as you argue and don't speak out against policies that lead to people dying, then pretty much yes. Let's remember this is the wife of the PM, who led the party and govt, that put in place policies that hounded disabled people to death. And that she has benefitted in setting up her business from the connections that exist because of that.
Wee correction;
Those policies are STILL hounding disabled people to death. Cameron's wife is a member of the party which advocated, promulgated and enacted those policies - and bears some responsibility for them in that she was, as I said, a member of the Tory party.
Let her eat bacon....hubby's bound to have some spare.
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Not a parody!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/28/samantha-cameron-cant-afford-designer-clothes-have-kids-mortgage/amp/
Of course she can afford designer clothes, this is a cute bit of marketing. She is marketing a line of clothes in the 'gap' between high street and designer prices so what better marketing than to imply that this is because she, herself, needed something at that price point.