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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on July 02, 2017, 08:33:31 PM

Title: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 02, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
Apart from the obvious and perennial ignoring that not every one is hetero, what century do these people live in?



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/upshot/members-of-the-opposite-sex-at-work-gender-study.html
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Bubbles on July 02, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
Apart from the obvious and perennial ignoring that not every one is hetero, what century do these people live in?



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/upshot/members-of-the-opposite-sex-at-work-gender-study.html

Those graphs show more women think it's inappropriate than men.

In every case.

Some times men think it's 50/50.

But women seem to score higher, that's it's inappropriate.

Does that mean women, rather than being treated diffently by men are actually holding themselves back? Thinking they shouldn't join in.

Or did I see those results wrong?

It looks like men are more open minded  :o

Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Harrowby Hall on July 02, 2017, 08:55:41 PM
Perhaps the reported behaviour of their national figurehead and head of state affects the perceptions of men and women of their social roles and responsibilities.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 02, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
Pretty much, though the difference between men and women in terms of a work meeting is within the margin of error.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Rhiannon on July 02, 2017, 09:23:07 PM
I find it utterly bizarre. I grew up around businessmen and women and living like this would not only have held back careers, hardly any work would get done. Not to mention the good friendships missed out on.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Robbie on July 02, 2017, 09:34:58 PM
Just what I thought Rhiannon.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Harrowby Hall on July 03, 2017, 08:28:52 AM
I like to think that - for want of a better expression - demographic variables are of no consequence when I am with another person. Of course I am aware of that person's sex, age, height, skin colour and so forth, and some of these may result in subtle variations in my behaviour which originate in aspects of my upbringing. For instance, I might open a door for a woman but not for a man.

However, I can think of very few situations where a difference in sex would cause me to be uncomfortable in some way or think the situation inappropriate were I socialising or be engaged in business with a sole woman. I suspect that the worries described in the study mentioned in the website reference are a strange by-product of the underlying religiosity of the USA.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Humph Warden Bennett on July 03, 2017, 08:31:53 AM
I would put it down to a simple concern about gossip.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 03, 2017, 08:37:09 AM
I would put it down to a simple concern about gossip.
Why would that make a work meeting inappropriate?
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: floo on July 03, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
I have no problem being on my own with a male friend, I have no interest in ever having a relationship with any other guy other than my husband.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: ekim on July 03, 2017, 08:58:59 AM
There's always the Japanese way, I suppose. ..... http://tinyurl.com/y7bsmogj
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: trippymonkey on July 03, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
For instance, I might open a door for a woman but not for a man.

Many would consider this sexist now ....
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: floo on July 03, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
I like to think that - for want of a better expression - demographic variables are of no consequence when I am with another person. Of course I am aware of that person's sex, age, height, skin colour and so forth, and some of these may result in subtle variations in my behaviour which originate in aspects of my upbringing. For instance, I might open a door for a woman but not for a man.

However, I can think of very few situations where a difference in sex would cause me to be uncomfortable in some way or think the situation inappropriate were I socialising or be engaged in business with a sole woman. I suspect that the worries described in the study mentioned in the website reference are a strange by-product of the underlying religiosity of the USA.

That isn't very nice, I open doors for both sexes if necessary.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Harrowby Hall on July 03, 2017, 09:42:49 AM
That isn't very nice, I open doors for both sexes if necessary.

Oh dear, Floo.

I wrote might not would.  What I was trying to say is that there may be circumstances when differential behaviour might be appropriate, I didn't say that it was my typical behaviour.
Title: Re: I cannot have a meeting with you, you are the opposite sex!
Post by: Rhiannon on July 03, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
I guess in a business setting who pays is obvious. Socially I find it difficult. With female friends I offer to split the bill and it's fine. With male friends I've sometimes given offence by offering, and sometimes given offence by not offering.