Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: SusanDoris on July 14, 2017, 04:23:48 PM
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What possible circumstances could have made two teenage boys buy a corrosive liquid in order to throw it at people? If they were so desperate to steal mopeds, they could have found some other way.
I doubt if such a mind set could ever be changed to become anywhere near normal.
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It is shocking and then some. Sadly acid attacks appear to be coming more common these days! :o
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I'd nearly started a thread on this. Using acid in robberies is becoming increasingly common. There are various reasons - the penalties for carrying acid are less than for knives, acid is harder to trace and readily available, and it can be effective from a certain distance.
I doubt very much whether the impact on the victim is something that they even vaguely consider. This is about a quick method of getting want they want.
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As well as the custodial sentences they will undoubtedly get, it would serve them right if a drop of acid was placed on the backs of each of their hands. This would give them a miniscule indication of the sort of suffering their victims were having to endure.
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As well as the custodial sentences they will undoubtedly get, it would serve them right if a drop of acid was placed on the backs of each of their hands. This would give them a miniscule indication of the sort of suffering their victims were having to endure.
True, but in this day and age, they would immediately run for lawyers, apply for legal aid, and sue for compensation, I'm afraid.
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True, but in this day and age, they would immediately run for lawyers, apply for legal aid, and sue for compensation, I'm afraid.
True.
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I don't think fighting barbarism with barbarism helps.
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Torture? Not really.
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Torture? Not really.
No, of course not, because that puts authority 100% in the wrong and I would object to it in the same way as I have always supported the ban oncapital punishment.
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We know little about these boys and court restrictions may mean that we end up knowing little about them. From what I have heard on BBC radio news bulletins, they would appear to be members of a street gang - possible being expected to do some task to demonstrate their loyalty?
I don't have any real information about street gangs, but a number of demographic factors spring to mind.
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The trouble is prisons have just become microcosms of what many perpetrators are after a sensation adrenalin rich seething human sea.
They should be made to have breakfast, lunch, afternoon tea with cucumber sandwiches and dinner each prefaced by a thoughtful reading. They should grow roses and have classic FM played to them. Almost constantly.
The tariff should be for inflicting life changing disfigurement 10 years
life changing physical incapacity 20 years
life changing mental incapacity 30 years
Murder 40-50 years
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As well as the custodial sentences they will undoubtedly get, it would serve them right if a drop of acid was placed on the backs of each of their hands. This would give them a miniscule indication of the sort of suffering their victims were having to endure.
It might well serve them right - they clearly lack a functioning sense of empathy/theory of mind, so a taste of "This is why it's wrong; it's not nice, is it? So therefore it's not nice to others" might break through.
On the other hand I'm not sure how the legal and state-sanctioned administrator of that drop of acid would differ from the owner of the hand. In fact the former may be worse - in the sense of more morally culpable - than the latter. Somebody with little or no empathy who throws acid at someone is a criminal, certainly affectively deficient and in at least some cases mentally ill; someone to whom none of those qualities apply who is allowed to drop acid on someone because the law allows for it has no excuse to hide behind.
Rhiannon said that fighting barbarism with barbarism achieves nothing. Firefighters fight fire with water and foam, not with fire. That would be a stupendously silly thing for a firefighter to do.
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It might well serve them right - they clearly lack a functioning sense of empathy/theory of mind, so a taste of "This is why it's wrong; it's not nice, is it? So therefore it's not nice to others" might break through.
On the other hand I'm not sure how the legal and state-sanctioned administrator of that drop of acid would differ from the owner of the hand. In fact the former may be worse - in the sense of more morally culpable - than the latter. Somebody with little or no empathy who throws acid at someone is a criminal, certainly affectively deficient and in at least some cases mentally ill; someone to whom none of those qualities apply who is allowed to drop acid on someone because the law allows for it has no excuse to hide behind.
Rhiannon said that fighting barbarism with barbarism achieves nothing. Firefighters fight fire with water and foam, not with fire. That would be a stupendously silly thing for a firefighter to do.
I wasn't suggesting anyone should actually do that!
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I wasn't suggesting anyone should actually do that!
then don't suggest it
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I wasn't suggesting anyone should actually do that!
Understood.
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Understood.
so suggesting something isn't suggesting something?
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The trouble is prisons have just become microcosms of what many perpetrators are after a sensation adrenalin rich seething human sea.
They should be made to have breakfast, lunch, afternoon tea with cucumber sandwiches and dinner each prefaced by a thoughtful reading. They should grow roses and have classic FM played to them. Almost constantly.
The tariff should be for inflicting life changing disfigurement 10 years
life changing physical incapacity 20 years
life changing mental incapacity 30 years
Murder 40-50 years
When you apply for membership of the fascist Stalinist Tory party, are you using the above as your application?
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then don't suggest it
I said it would serve them right, which it would, but I didn't suggest anyone should actually do it, as of course it would be wrong.
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I said it would serve them right, which it would, but I didn't suggest anyone should actually do it, as of course it would be wrong.
Except by suggesting it! If it's wrong don't mention it
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When you apply for membership of the fascist Stalinist Tory party, are you using the above as your application?
What's fascist, Stalinist, or Tory about a balance of penalty(I do hate the word punishment it smacks of SM), deterence and civilisation?
In fact I was thinking of it for membership of the Mimsy Wimsy Nicey, self righty, shitey Party.
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What's fascist, Stalinist, or Tory about a balance of penalty(I do hate the word punishment it smacks of SM), deterence and civilisation?
In fact I was thinking of it for membership of the Mimsy Wimsy Nicey, self righty, shitey Party.
that's nice, Tory boy.
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that's nice, Tory boy.
oooh.
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The trouble is prisons have just become microcosms of what many perpetrators are after a sensation adrenalin rich seething human sea.
They should be made to have breakfast, lunch, afternoon tea with cucumber sandwiches and dinner each prefaced by a thoughtful reading. They should grow roses and have classic FM played to them. Almost constantly.
The tariff should be for inflicting life changing disfigurement 10 years
life changing physical incapacity 20 years
life changing mental incapacity 30 years
Murder 40-50 years
I hardly think that the subject of this thread is a proper one for your twisted warped and unpleasant sense of humour!
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I hardly think that the subject of this thread is a proper one for your twisted warped and unpleasant sense of humour!
No humour although my suggestion has been met with the fact that there is a generation of folk that cannot even begin to embark pn what to do about crimes without mistaking perpetrator for victim.
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No humour although my suggestion has been met with the fact that there is a generation of folk that cannot even begin to embark pn what to do about crimes without mistaking perpetrator for victim.
said Tory boy
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No humour although my suggestion has been met with the fact that there is a generation of folk that cannot even begin to embark pn what to do about crimes without mistaking perpetrator for victim.
I'm glad that you recognise that you are not funny.
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Except by suggesting it! If it's wrong don't mention it
Why not? It is part of the discussion.
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It is unfortunately, likely to get worse. You cannot change what is bad in mankind, but we have to accept where we drive people because of poverty into a corner they will act in the worse possible manner.
The obvious answer is they steal the bikes for money. The bad side is the threatening and harming of others to steal/rob them of their property.
Maiming someone is a serious issue and they cannot take this lightly. Examples have to be made of people who do these things.
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I would suggest that they have the same substance sprayed in their faces.
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I would suggest that they have the same substance sprayed in their faces.
Then everyone keeps paying for their treatment for life and having them cared for?
Prison is better.
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Then everyone keeps paying for their treatment for life and having them cared for?
Prison is better.
Don't treat them.
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Scottish case today with a 15 year sentence. Also worth noting that two cases in 1991 in Scotland had 20 year sentences.
http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1817/HMA-v-William-Burns