Religion and Ethics Forum
Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on July 24, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
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Down with that sort of thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40705687
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This makes me laugh. But I know I shouldn't.
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This makes me laugh. But I know I shouldn't.
there will be no mint biscuits in this house!
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Interesting. I never use the phrase myself and have expressed firmly my opinion that it should not be used of me when I die!!
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RIP doesn't make sense from any religion's point of view or even atheists for that matter. What does it even mean?! Are they wishing the body to stay under or the soul to go to sleep? Or are they wishing the soul to be in peace without taking on ghostly forms and wandering about?
All religions believe in some sort of Life after death, either reincarnation or heaven or hell or whatever. So RIP is quite irrelevant. We can wish them a Good After Life (GAL) perhaps.
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I have always thought RIP is a meaningless expression.
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Rest in peace, so that soul's passing from this life to the next might be made easier. That is why pray for the dead, why we have funeral rites etc.
Funny enough the Proddies conveniently omitted those books of the scriptures that showed the souls of the dead should be prayed for.
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I wish this surprised me. It doesn't. A schoolfriend of mine became a minister in the Kirk (no-one's perfect) His first charge was Larkhall in Orange country (Lanarkshire) He knew a bit about the attitudes there, but was truly shocked when several Billyites reported him to his local presbytery. His crime? Daring to preach from a Roman Catholic pulpit on Christian Unity Sunday. He left that charge shortly afterward - needless to say his presbytery found no case - and worked in Zambia for many years. He's now the Kirk's rep in Egypt and minister of a charge in Tiberias, Israel - and he says things are a lot less complicated than they were at Larkhall. He wasn't joking.
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Rest in peace, so that soul's passing from this life to the next might be made easier. That is why pray for the dead, why we have funeral rites etc.
Funny enough the Proddies conveniently omitted those books of the scriptures that showed the souls of the dead should be prayed for.
Once dead you stay dead, imo.
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RIP doesn't make sense from any religion's point of view or even atheists for that matter. What does it even mean?! Are they wishing the body to stay under or the soul to go to sleep? Or are they wishing the soul to be in peace without taking on ghostly forms and wandering about?
All religions believe in some sort of Life after death, either reincarnation or heaven or hell or whatever. So RIP is quite irrelevant. We can wish them a Good After Life (GAL) perhaps.
It doesn't mean 'rest' in the sense of sleep. It means they are in a place of rest rather than toil. It's about the afterlife for some being 'restful' rather than a vale of tears.
As the phrase became more common, for those religions that believe in bodily resurrection, then it also was about the body being at rest until the day of the final resurrection.
It is to some extent a pabulum phrase now, trotted out by instinct but since at times of death words are difficult, if people use the phrase after I am dead, I will be beyond caring.
Anyway, talking about this has brought to mind the Dave Allen story,see link below, from 2.22 in (Although since it is Dave Allen just watch the clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THiV_Wa3Lz4&feature=youtu.be
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It's actually taken from something Christ said: "Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into your rest." Needless to say, even though the sash wearers sport an open Bible (KJV, the language wot Jesus spoke, innit) as they 'march'; they wouldn't know where to find the passage.
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Rest in peace, so that soul's passing from this life to the next might be made easier. That is why pray for the dead, why we have funeral rites etc.
Pretending, for a moment, the there is a next life, what's hard about moving from this life to it? Surely, you peg out and it's done.
Or is there some sort of obstacle course you have to negotiate and God takes away the rope climb if people pray for you?
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It is believed in almost all religions that if people pray for you it has an effect. It is believed to help people in the transition. It is not just about God's unilateral decisions.
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I would have thought that even our atheist friends would wish that a body, once under the ground, should be left alone, rather than being dug up and mutilated. One for the anti papists-look up Pope Formosus.
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I would have thought that even our atheist friends would wish that a body, once under the ground, should be left alone, rather than being dug up and mutilated. One for the anti papists-look up Pope Formosus.
That's exhumation of potential murder victims out then ::)
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That's exhumation of potential murder victims out then ::)
Dali's just been exhumed, hasn't he? Tash and hair still intact apparently.
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Dali's just been exhumed, hasn't he? Tash and hair still intact apparently.
Yes I saw that this morning.
'Tache still at ten past ten the way he liked it, apparently.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40685361
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These are the miserable bastards who all have LOL on their sashes! (lol!)
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How about GNU (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/terry-pratchett-will-live-on-in-the-clacks-thanks-to-fans-programming-code/) instead?
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I wish this surprised me. It doesn't. A schoolfriend of mine became a minister in the Kirk (no-one's perfect) His first charge was Larkhall in Orange country (Lanarkshire) He knew a bit about the attitudes there, but was truly shocked when several Billyites reported him to his local presbytery. His crime? Daring to preach from a Roman Catholic pulpit on Christian Unity Sunday. He left that charge shortly afterward - needless to say his presbytery found no case - and worked in Zambia for many years. He's now the Kirk's rep in Egypt and minister of a charge in Tiberias, Israel - and he says things are a lot less complicated than they were at Larkhall. He wasn't joking.
I'm not laughing ::) ::) ::)
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Down with that sort of thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40705687
How boring can it get?