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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sriram on July 27, 2017, 05:25:32 AM
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Hi everyone,
Here is something about the sperm count in the west falling by 60% in the last 40 years.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/sperm-count-west-men-health-drop-60-per-cent-years-modern-life-a7859491.html
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Sperm counts have plunged by nearly 60 per cent in just 40 years among men living in the West, according to a major review of scientific studies that suggests the modern world is causing serious damage to men’s health.
Pesticides, hormone-disrupting chemicals, diet, stress, smoking and obesity have all been “plausibly associated” with the problem, which is associated with a range of other illnesses such as testicular cancer and a generally increased mortality rate.
The researchers who carried out the review said the rate of decline had showed no sign of “levelling off” in recent years.
The same trend was not seen in other parts of the world such as South America, Africa and Asia, although the scientists said fewer studies had been carried out there.
One expert commenting on the study said it was the “most comprehensive to date”, and described the figures as “shocking” and a “wake-up call” for urgent research into the reasons driving the fall.
“Therefore, sperm count may sensitively reflect the impacts of the modern environment on male health throughout the life course.”
Chemicals linked to lowering sperm count include some used to make plastics more flexible and flame retardants used in furniture. These can enter the food chain after they are taken in by plants or eaten by animals.
A diet high in alcohol, caffeine, processed meat, soy and potatoes may also have an adverse effect on male fertility.
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Do you think psychological factors such as decline in male dominance and changes in male/female interactions and roles could also be factors contributing to the reduction of sperm count?
Cheers.
Sriram
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No.
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No.
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Does anyone know how many is too few?
I counted mine today and had 7.
Is that OK?
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Perhaps there is an unknown mechanism within us that says to itself "we are toyally ficking ip this planet with all this breeding. We'd better cut it down a bit"
Doesnt make that much sense granted. But more sense than an appeal to a return to some kind of male dominance bollocks.
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I counted mine today and had 7.
And how many were X and how many Y?
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I'm pretty sure all 7 were Q.
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Do you think psychological factors such as decline in male dominance and changes in male/female interactions and roles could also be factors contributing to the reduction of sperm count?
Definitely not. Much more likely it has to do with chemicals in food, and or, the stress of modern life.
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A little less of the 'definitely not' please. Many psychological and lifestyle factors are responsible for such changes besides the usual suspects...
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A little less of the 'definitely not' please. Many psychological and lifestyle factors are responsible for such changes besides the usual suspects...
Evidence?
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A little less of the 'definitely not' please. Many psychological and lifestyle factors are responsible for such changes besides the usual suspects...
So are you trying to say that in order to improve their sperm count, men should once more be the dominant gender, and women should be subservient to them?
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So are you trying to say that men should once more be the dominant gender, and women should be subservient to them, so their sperm count improves?
That seems to be the gist of it ::)
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So are you trying to say that in order to improve their sperm count, men should once more be the dominant gender, and women should be subservient to them?
You can assume anything you want. The point is ...whether such lifestyle issues are in any way responsible or not! If they are...we should know and be prepared to accept it. What we do about it is another matter.
We seem to have too many PC issues that can conflict with Science, which is not healthy for society. We can't wear blinkers just because we want things to be a certain way.
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Evidence?
he's obviously done the experiments!
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This thread is funny. ;D
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Women should stay in the kitchen, and sometimes their bloke will chase them round them it, in order to keep his little spermy type thingies active.
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Women should stay in the kitchen, and sometimes their bloke will chase them round them it, in order to keep his little spermy type thingies active.
Come here and say that! ;D ;D ;D
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Come here and say that! ;D ;D ;D
If I had a pound for every women who's said that to me, I'd be a poor man.
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You can assume anything you want. The point is ...whether such lifestyle issues are in any way responsible or not! If they are
No evidence for it.
Next.
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I do know couples who chase each other round their kitchens, but this seems to be something to do with Fitbits.
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If I had a pound for every women who's said that to me, I'd be a poor man.
You would be your dangly bits poorer, if you said it to me. ;D ;D ;D
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I do know couples who chase each other round their kitchens, but this seems to be something to do with Fitbits.
Well, that made me laugh, which is supposed to be good for spermatogenesis.
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Just doing my bit.
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But if the women catch the men the sperm shrivel up and disintegrate?
On the other hand, I'm sure there must be a direct correlation with the number, size and power of vehicles on the roads :)
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Well, that made me laugh, which is supposed to be good for spermatogenesis.
Great name for one of those popular music groups.
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Spunk rock?
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Grunge cock
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This is all in bad taste! :o
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..... Many psychological and lifestyle factors are responsible for such changes besides the usual suspects...
Hi Sriram, if a dominant mother can 'castrate' her son then who knows if the sperm count of said son can also be affected.
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It's a problem, all these dominant women all over the West.
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It's a problem, all these dominant women all over the West.
You think I'm being sarcastic? I know two men that sadly this happen to. A dominant mother in some cases can cause her son to become impotent. I'm not talking about a woman that takes charge a little, but rather the dominant over-bearing type.
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You think I'm being sarcastic? I know two men that sadly this happen to. A dominant mother in some cases can cause her son to become impotent. I'm not talking about a woman that takes charge a little, but rather the dominant over-bearing type.
There are dominant and abusive mothers, wives, partners. The notion however that the West is overrun with such women is risible.
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There are dominant and abusive mothers, wives, partners. The notion however that the West is overrun with such women is risible.
Who said that?
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Who said that?
If you are offering it to Sriram as an explanation for the figures he quoted then you are. Otherwise the fact that there are domineering and abusive women out there is irrelevant to the discussion.
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No, it's not. Sriram mentioned psychological factors and that's exactly what I'm referring to.
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You think I'm being sarcastic?
Not so much sarcastic, more ridiculous.
I know two men that sadly this happen to. A dominant mother in some cases can cause her son to become impotent. I'm not talking about a woman that takes charge a little, but rather the dominant over-bearing type.
And your evidence for this absurd eyewash is ... what?
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No, it's not. Sriram mentioned psychological factors and that's exactly what I'm referring to.
So there are enough of these emasculating women domineering the Western male to cause such a drop in sperm count?
Or is it more likely to be down to the well-documented effects of chemicals and hormones in our diets and environment? Or are you suggesting that the drop in sperm count observed in fish is also down to domineering mothers?
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So there are enough of these emasculating women domineering the Western male to cause such a drop in sperm count?
Or is it more likely to be down to the well-documented effects of chemicals and hormones in our diets and environment? Or are you suggesting that the drop in sperm count observed in fish is also down to domineering mothers?
Probably due to some overbearing old fishwife.
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Probably due to some overbearing old fishwife.
Ffs.
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Well I liked it.
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Hi Sriram, if a dominant mother can 'castrate' her son then who knows if the sperm count of said son can also be affected.
Hi SweetPea,
I don't know about the cases you mention. Maybe it can happen.
I was referring to psychological and social factors that affect our lifestyle. These could change our mental make up and could lead to many psychosomatic issues and even changes in our gene expression through epigenetic mechanisms. I have already mentioned in another thread about 43% of young people in Japan being virgins due to inability to interact with the opposite sex. Life style and social issues can change our personality itself.
When I referred to 'dominance', I was not referring to 'aggression' as some people here seem to have assumed. Most men in the world have hitherto been dominant without necessarily being aggressive.
Dominance is linked to the ego. The Ego is linked to libido, testosterone and even sperm production. A consistent pressure on the male ego, forcing it to submission, could result in a drop in libido and even sperm production.
If no research has been done on this, it needs to be done.
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Three coulds and one maybe.
Pretty well sums it up, really.
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Three coulds and one maybe.
Pretty well sums it up, really.
I was half asleep when I read that and wondered what the point was that you were making about the three cuddles.
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Men and woman should treat each other as equals, neither sex trying to dominate the other.
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Men and woman should treat each other as equals, neither sex trying to dominate the other.
This is not about treating each other as equals or about respecting one another. That has not been under question.
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You think I'm being sarcastic? I know two men that sadly this happen to. A dominant mother in some cases can cause her son to become impotent. I'm not talking about a woman that takes charge a little, but rather the dominant over-bearing type.
I think it is quite possible that your scenario may induce impotence in a few individuals, however this is a world away from the reduction in sperm count that the article refers to, and which is the subject of this thread. What is your evidence that dominant mothers can lead to a reduction in sperm count as well as impotence problems?
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What is your evidence that dominant mothers can lead to a reduction in sperm count as well as impotence problems?
*cue Countdown music*
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This is not about treating each other as equals or about respecting one another. That has not been under question.
Equal but different, right?
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Countdown clock still ticking ...
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*cue Countdown music*
Ah.... some people have a life, Shaker;) My day finished an hour ago.
I think it is quite possible that your scenario may induce impotence in a few individuals, however this is a world away from the reduction in sperm count that the article refers to, and which is the subject of this thread. What is your evidence that dominant mothers can lead to a reduction in sperm count as well as impotence problems?
enki.... I don't have any evidence. If you read my original comment #28 I said who is to know if the impotence would have any connection to the sperm count. As Sriram says, more research needs to be done.
So there are enough of these emasculating women domineering the Western male to cause such a drop in sperm count?
Or is it more likely to be down to the well-documented effects of chemicals and hormones in our diets and environment? Or are you suggesting that the drop in sperm count observed in fish is also down to domineering mothers?
Rhiannon.... I agree with all the above already known factors. I am just wondering if my added theory could also be a factor. Who knows....
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From Post 49:
enki.... I don't have any evidence. If you read my original comment #28 I said who is to know if the impotence would have any connection to the sperm count. As Sriram says, more research needs to be done.
I did read your original comment.
You suggested that dominant mothers in some cases can 'castrate' their sons. By this, I assume that you mean, make them impotent, as you actually suggest this by referring to two men that you know.(in Post 30)
You do realise, I hope, that impotence and reduction in sperm counts are two different things.
Now we can all suggest all sorts of things without any evidence to support what we say. I could conjecture, for instance, that HIV/Aids is possibly God's punishment for misdemeanors perpetrated by certain human beings. Who is to know, I might surmise? I wouldn't have the slightest evidence for suggesting this, but I would have implanted that thought in the minds of others. I hope you would agree that such a statement is totally unevidenced, and that I would be very irresponsible for even suggesting such a thing.
So, I ask you, why bring up the idea that dominant mothers are a cause of reduced sperm count in at least some cases, unless you think that it is feasible even though you have agreed that you haven't any evidence at all to suggest that it is true? If you think it is feasible, then please give good reasons why you think that is so.
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Equal but different, right?
Yes...any problem with that?!! ???
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Yes...any problem with that?!! ???
Different how?
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Probably due to some overbearing old fishwife.
Insult to fishwives (or fishhusbands). In any case they like good swimmers.