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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Owlswing on August 25, 2017, 04:06:13 PM
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I was considsering putting this on tyhe General Discussion Topic, but then I decided it was, in view of the matter happening over the Oggin, it was closer to politics . . .
https://uk.yahoo.com/style/mum-furious-4-year-old-son-sent-home-long-hair-075558912.html
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I did post a message and then realised that the incident has not taken place in the United Kingdom. I therefore removed it.
Is this in this section because of the strange values of right-wing politicians in the USA?
Were this to happen in the UK it would possibly fall foul of the Equalities Act 2010.
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Logically of course, he is just as capable of learning with hair long or short, and the specification of where a boy's hair should not be lower than is daft, but in the end I think the mother has an unhelpful attitude and a rather silly one. As for putting it on social media, well, that is seeking celebrity for the wrong reasons, and puts her son in an awkward position.
I wonder if the school has any Sikh boys there and whether they allow turbans? This of course brings in the subject of daft ideas about why hair or clothing will please or displease some mythical god.
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Doesn't the article say his hair is how his mother likes it? Is it also his choice?
That aside, long hair is not an issue for learning it play - just tie it up. My son has taken the decision to grow his hair recently. His hair, his choice. I think he's hoping he'll end up looking like Roman Reigns.
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Logically of course, he is just as capable of learning with hair long or short, and the specification of where a boy's hair should not be lower than is daft, but in the end I think the mother has an unhelpful attitude and a rather silly one. As for putting it on social media, well, that is seeking celebrity for the wrong reasons, and puts her son in an awkward position.
Quite agree.
I'm incensed that hair length is an issue anywhere in this day and age. As long as it's kept out of the way, ie tied back, what difference does it make?
[\quote]I wonder if the school has any Sikh boys there and whether they allow turbans? This of course brings in the subject of daft ideas about why hair or clothing will please or displease some mythical god.
Rhiannon, good for your son (I don't know Roman Reigns but will google)! One of my nephews was forever in trouble for long hair -not great trouble but suggestions were made that he should cut it & my sis received one or two notes from school to that effect. He carried on regardless, he was well bhaved. What is funny is that since being an art student he's cut it, says it's easier to handle short. Whilst that's true I believe the fact that he receives no hassle about hair length means it is not an issue for him so why not?
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More and more young, or younger, Sikhs no longer grow their hair or wear turban.Their parents and older relatives do but not them or their kids.
If 'a people' have been persecuted at some time you often find they will stick together & that includes traditional clothing and, in this case, hair, so they preserve their identity. It's important to them and they will say they survived because they stayed together,presenting a united front. Even the Quakers did that at one time. Certainly some Orthodox Jewish sects have always done it and continue to do so.
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In the article it said that he had not asked for his hair to be cut. So, as children do not know what to ask for, I think that the suggestion and ideas about it were all his mother's.
There is another point of course - children of that age often play with heds close together, so if one child has an infestation of nits, the whole group gets it!
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My grandson (15) has hair below his shoulders, but then he doesn't go to school, as his mother home schools him and his younger brother. I must admit I dislike long hair but that is both on girls and boys.
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There is another point of course - children of that age often play with heds close together, so if one child has an infestation of nits, the whole group gets it!
They sure do but that applies equally to short hair especially if it's fluffy! Teachers catch them too & manage to infest members of their family before they know it :D.
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I must admit I dislike .......
....just about everything?
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....just about everything?
Oh don't be silly. ::) There a loads of things I like.
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Flowers, a fresh pot of coffee, driving, children, seaside, a good book and short hair.
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I like my family, my home, my neighbourhood, my hobbies, my Kindle, some programmes on TV, my computer, my own space.
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There is another point of course - children of that age often play with heds close together, so if one child has an infestation of nits, the whole group gets it!
Applies to females as well as males doesn't it?
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Applies to females as well as males doesn't it?
It's got round by tying hair up. Not an issue.
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It's got round by tying hair up. Not an issue.
Yes, which also applies to males as well as females of course.
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I wonder if the school has any Sikh boys there and whether they allow turbans? This of course brings in the subject of daft ideas about why hair or clothing will please or displease some mythical god.
Er no, it does not.
As far as I am concerned it is a matter of whether the boy's peers are going to give him grief or not. Long hair at secondary school can be dangerous in some cases, metalwork lessons comes to mind, if a boy with long hair is ok with wearing a hairnet when working with machinery then so be it, but what if he is banned from using machinery because he will neither wear a hairnet, or get his hair cut?
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Er no, it does not.
As far as I am concerned it is a matter of whether the boy's peers are going to give him grief or not. Long hair at secondary school can be dangerous in some cases, metalwork lessons comes to mind, if a boy with long hair is ok with wearing a hairnet when working with machinery then so be it, but what if he is banned from using machinery because he will neither wear a hairnet, or get his hair cut?
Dont girls take metalwork?
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Dont girls take metalwork?
That is my point! Would a boy want to wear a hairnet like a girl?
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That is my point! Would a boy want to wear a hairnet like a girl?
He wouldn't have to. Just tie it back.
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That is my point! Would a boy want to wear a hairnet like a girl?
Didn't know hairnets were exclusively for females.
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He wouldn't have to. Just tie it back.
And have it checked by a teacher. And if the teacher thought that the pony tail was not safe?
It's really more of an Health and Safety Issue.
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Didn't know hairnets were exclusively for females.
They are not. Nor are skirts, if I visit an Orthodox Monastery wearing shorts, I would be expected to be put on a temporary skirt, just like anybody else showing bare skin above the knee.
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They are not. Nor are skirts, if I visit an Orthodox Monastery wearing shorts, I would be expected to be put on a temporary skirt, just like anybody else showing bare skin above the knee.
So why did you say about wearinga hairnet like a girl?
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So why did you say about wearinga hairnet like a girl?
Because hairnets are usually associated with girls.
So are Sanitary Towels, but I was advised to use the same for a week following the removal of a pilonidal cyst.
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Because hairnets are usually associated with girls.
Not by me and I doubt many young people would think this. They are more common wear in the food industry for both sexes.
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Not by me and I doubt many young people would think this. They are more common wear in the food industry for both sexes.
They are also required wearing under crash helmets for karting, unless a balaclava is worn.
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And have it checked by a teacher. And if the teacher thought that the pony tail was not safe?
It's really more of an Health and Safety Issue.
In which case all girls should have short hair too.
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Didn't know hairnets were exclusively for females.
They are not, many people have their hair in a net for safety, it isn't an exclusively female thing.
Sometimes just tying back is OK.
I saw 'metalwork' was mentioned - is that subject still offered in schools? I've not heard of it, nor 'woodwork', since I don't know when.
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They are not, many people have their hair in a net for safety, it isn't an exclusively female thing.
Sometimes just tying back is OK.
Yes, I know. I was making a point.
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They are not, many people have their hair in a net for safety, it isn't an exclusively female thing.
Sometimes just tying back is OK.
I saw 'metalwork' was mentioned - is that subject still offered in schools? I've not heard of it, nor 'woodwork', since I don't know when.
ISTR they come under "Design and Technology" these days.
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ISTR they come under "Design and Technology" these days.
Schools are struggling to find trained teachers and to meet H&S requirements though I think so can't always offer it I understand.
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When I put this up for discussion I had noted that the school had refused the boy permission to tier his hair in a bun, he had it done in this way in one of the photo's.
Now, OK, I wear my hair longer than either of my daughters and when I joined, no, re-joined the Wimpey Group on my return from Oz in 1975 I was told that my hair, then hanging to about six inches above my belt was 'unacceptably long' by the HR, Personnel in those days, lady who did my interview and told me that I would have to cut it, a 'short back and sides' was the preferred length fo rall male employees.
Needless to say I wasn't exactly happy at this prospect and was discussing it with a couple of colleaugues from my previous time at the company and a tall elderly gentleman stopped and listened for a few minutes and then asked for the name of the Personell staffer who had told me this was the case. I gave it and the gentleman walked off.
One of the bods at the table told me that I was either going to keep my hair or lose my job. It turned out to be the latter and a memo was circulated stating that unless the length of an employees hair (male or female) was no business of the Company's unless it was a saftey hazard or was not kept tidy and clean.
The old gentleman was Sir Godfrey Mitchell, the owner of the Wimpey Group and, had he not been theer to hear me bitching I would not have worked for the Group for 22 years! I did cut my hair back to just below my collar after about four or five years, it was too much trouble in a wind!
This is to say I notice that in the UK the matter seems to be left to parents or kids but in America it seems to be a matter of political import!
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The man bun should be banned.
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The man bun should be banned.
Why?
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Because he's always belonged to and naturally sought out a religion which thinks that anything he doesn't like shouldn't exist.
The monotheistic ones are like that. The others, not so much. Evidence available on request ... if you plan on living for just about for ever.
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Why?
Because it's incredibly girly.
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Because it's incredibly girly.
That's terrible, is it?
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Because it's incredibly girly.
Aww, such insecurity.
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Might as well start plucking your eyebrows.
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Many, many years ago when I had extremely long hair, I was sitting hunched over on a bench in Abbey Park (one of Leicester's main green spaces) and behind me, from a small group of youngsters, about six or seven lads of about nine or ten or so, a voice rang out: "Ayup missus, what time is it please?"
I turned around - fairly obviously a big man; 6'4"; probably 19 stone or so or whatever at the time; and smiled. "Ten past [or whatever; whatever it was at the time]".
Nothing to dine out on but I've relished it ever since. Oh for the days when from behind I could still be mistaken for a female.
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Might as well start plucking your eyebrows.
That's terrible, is it?
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Because it's incredibly girly.
So what?
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That's terrible, is it?
Effeminate, if nothing else.
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Effeminate, if nothing else.
That's terrible, is it?
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So what?
They aren't often girly actually. They can be annoyingly hipster, or a convenient alternative to a pony tail (see not especially girly Andy Carroll).
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Effeminate, if nothing else.
Like I said, such insecurity.
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Like I said, such insecurity.
No, just the opinion of a normal, average man.
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No, just the opinion of a normal, average man.
Hardly that.
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No, just the opinion of a normal, average man.
What is normal and what is average, please?
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Hardly that.
It's exactly that, pal. I don't know what kind of a bubble you live in.
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Amended: what is normal and what is average where you happen to live, please?
I don't think I live in a bubble; I live in a society. My society, not yours.
Evidently not yours. I like mine. I think it's better.
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Normal, as in men who actually look and act like men, you know, who don't spend more time in front of the mirror than a woman. God knows what my old man would have said if I had ever put my hair in a bun or plucked my eyebrows, probably something along the lines of "Why are you done up like a poof?" and rightly so.
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Ahhhhhh!
You're from the 1930s!
Why didn't you say?
We can cope with travellers from long ago!
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It's exactly that, pal. I don't know what kind of a bubble you live in.
It is what sort of bubble you are living in, which is the question! ::)
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It is what sort of bubble you are living in, which is the question! ::)
Well I live in a world where men generally look like men and women like women.
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Well I live in a world where men generally look like men and women like women.
It must be a very tiny little world. ::)
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It must be a very tiny little world. ::)
Yes :D
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It must be a very tiny little world. ::)
Just a normal one, free from the tyranny of modern gender politics.
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It's exactly that, pal. I don't know what kind of a bubble you live in.
What prompts you to refer to a lady as "PAL"?
How disgustingly patronising you are.
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Normal, as in men who actually look and act like men, you know, who don't spend more time in front of the mirror than a woman. God knows what my old man would have said if I had ever put my hair in a bun or plucked my eyebrows, probably something along the lines of "Why are you done up like a poof?" and rightly so.
Or kiss each other like the two "real men" in your avatar?
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Just a normal one, free from the tyranny of modern gender politics.
A NORMAL world is populated by gays, straights and transgender people.
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It is what sort of bubble you are living in, which is the question! ::)
They call it
F-I-N-L-A-N-D.
Tricky as it's one of the most liberal, progressive and forward-thinking countries in the world; but hey ho. He has missed out on it.
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A NORMAL world is populated by gays, straights and transgender people.
Not by Ad_O's rather twisted definition of normal it's not! He doesn't mean "NORMAL", he means "ORTHODOX"!
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Not by Ad_O's rather twisted definition of normal it's not! He doesn't mean "NORMAL", he means "ORTHODOX"!
Oh silly me!
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Not by Ad_O's rather twisted definition of normal it's not! He doesn't mean "NORMAL", he means "ORTHODOX"!
This month, yes ;D
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::)
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They call it
F-I-N-L-A-N-D.
Tricky as it's one of the most liberal, progressive and forward-thinking countries in the world; but hey ho. He has missed out on it.
You know nothing about this country.
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Normal, as in men who actually look and act like men, you know, who don't spend more time in front of the mirror than a woman. God knows what my old man would have said if I had ever put my hair in a bun or plucked my eyebrows, probably something along the lines of "Why are you done up like a poof?" and rightly so.
That explains volumes.
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It's exactly that, pal. I don't know what kind of a bubble you live in.
I wouldn't call me pal.
I'm afraid it's you that lives in the bubble. One where you want to believe that 'traditional' values aren't generally seen as hysterically funny and hopelessly irrelevant.
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You know nothing about this country.
I shouldn't have to, as I don't live there.
On the other hand, I know that you live in a country whose socially liberal policies you must hate no end, which delights me no end.
Ugly and narrow, cramped people of little brain being upset by free and forward thinking views is one of the great pleasures of life.
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The problem here is that you live in little rainbow coloured bubble along with the rest of the far red/green left, who think we should have no borders and think it would be great if men became queens. It might come as a shock to you all, but most people don't want that because they're normal.
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Bless you, you think you actually sound normal here?
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The problem here is that you live in little rainbow coloured
I love rainbows.
bubble
I love bubbles too.
along with the rest of the far red/green left
Sounds like me!
who think we should have no borders and think it would be great if men became queens.
Other than a female sovereign what's a queen?
It might come as a shock to you all, but most people don't want that because they're normal.
Who are most and - I'm sure I've asked this before, without an answer - what is normal?
You? ;D
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Who are most and - I'm sure I've asked this before, without an answer - what is normal?
For Ad_O?
For him 'normal' is defined as the situation existing pre-1054 - before the Catholic Church decided that some bits of the bible didn't suit it and decided to change it to fit what they wanted, while Ad_O's lot decided that they didn't want anything to change and decided to live in a pre-1054 time capsule!
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For Ad_O?
For him 'normal' is defined as the situation existing pre-1054 - before the Catholic Church decided
No, not this month; he's on the other one for the moment.
It won't last, of course
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The problem here is that you live in little rainbow coloured bubble along with the rest of the far red/green left, who think we should have no borders and think it would be great if men became queens. It might come as a shock to you all, but most people don't want that because they're normal.
Normal is being gay, straight and transsexual. Being an unpleasant bigot, as you appear to be, is ABNORMAL! >:(
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Because it's incredibly girly.
Like this?
https://tinyurl.com/y92z96s7
I'm sure that he would be easily mistaken for a girl - but maybe only in Finland?
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Don't be a Moderator: content removed. And don't give me any if that pony about what is normal, as if no one knew.
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Don't be Moderator: quoted content removed. And don't give me any if that pony about what is normal, as if no one knew.
Obviously you have no idea!
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Obviously you have no idea!
Don't I. Well I know men being women ain't.
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Don't be Moderator: quoted content removed. And don't give me any if that pony about what is normal, as if no one knew.
The guy(?) On the right in your avatar.
How is he doing his hair at the back?
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Well, it ain't in a bun.
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Well, it ain't in a bun.
Could be plaits, could be ringlets. Notveasy to tell.
They are having a lovely cuddle though. Nothing like a PDA.
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Well, it ain't in a bun.
The guys on your avatar appear to be in passionate embrace, are they gay? ;D
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Just a normal one, free from the tyranny of modern gender politics.
Says someone who wants people to conform to a gender stereotype.
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Don't I. Well I know men being women ain't.
I didn't think that you would be bold enough to call out your God like that.
According to you man is as your God made him, as are women, so if a man finds that he feels more like a woman, or vice versa, that is the way YOUR God made them.
His fuck-up and not their fault - typical Christian attitude from Ad_O - blame it all on man not the God who made man (and woman - twice - as the first one was too fiesty for Him)!
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Well, it ain't in a bun.
A croissant probably.....
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Just for you ad-o, typical Finnish men:-
http://static.iltalehti.fi/viihde/nikula_juttu_2907JID_vi.jpg
http://wwnet.fi/~llcool1/Typical.gif
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I was considsering putting this on tyhe General Discussion Topic, but then I decided it was, in view of the matter happening over the Oggin, it was closer to politics . . .
https://uk.yahoo.com/style/mum-furious-4-year-old-son-sent-home-long-hair-075558912.html
Just ask the parent to tie it back.
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Well I live in a world where men generally look like men and women like women.
Like these men (http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/greek-orthodox-priests-pray-during-the-orthodox-easter-news-photo/469471850?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#greek-orthodox-priests-pray-during-the-orthodox-easter-sunday-in-of-picture-id469471850). They look pretty good in their dresses don't you think?
Hair styles in both men and women is fashion. Go back a couple of hundred years and you'll see men wearing their hair long.
Now, I think the man-bun looks stupid (and women who pluck their eyebrows and draw them back on) but that is just my opinion. If they want to do it that's fine by me.
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Just ask the parent to tie it back.
If you had bothered to actually read the article you would have seen that this is not an alternative that is acceptable to the school!