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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Walter on September 11, 2017, 10:12:49 PM

Title: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Walter on September 11, 2017, 10:12:49 PM
Religion flies you into buildings.       True or false?  What do you think?
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 11, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
Ah yes but science gives you nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Rhiannon on September 11, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
Ah yes but science gives you nuclear weapons.

And religion a desire for a nuclear apocalypse.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Walter on September 11, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
Ah yes but science gives you nuclear weapons.
and politicians decide what to do with them!
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 11, 2017, 10:30:16 PM
And religion a desire for a nuclear apocalypse.

Well possibly - but I really don't think it is as simple as A = Good, B = Bad.

Do you?

To risk Godwin, was Hitler's various little dalliances with scientific experiments on humans provoked by religion or just by the fact that he was fucking shit of a human being?
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 11, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
and politicians decide what to do with them!

First religion, now politicians. This argument appears to be not entirely consistent.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Free Willy on September 11, 2017, 10:32:34 PM
And religion a desire for a nuclear apocalypse.
Not sure if current events back that one to the hilt.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Walter on September 11, 2017, 10:35:41 PM
Well possibly - but I really don't think it is as simple as A = Good, B = Bad.

Do you?

To risk Godwin, was Hitler's various little dalliances with scientific experiments on humans provoked by religion or just by the fact that he was fucking shit of a human being?
Didn't know Hitler was a scientist?
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Rhiannon on September 11, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
Well possibly - but I really don't think it is as simple as A = Good, B = Bad.

Do you?


Of course not. Just the opposite. I think that both A and B have the capacity to be colossal tosspots.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Shaker on September 11, 2017, 11:42:36 PM
Didn't know Hitler was a scientist?
Not personally, no; but he had plenty at his beck and call.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Shaker on September 11, 2017, 11:47:21 PM
Ah yes but science gives you nuclear weapons.
Not the whole picture. Certainly you need some heavy-duty physicists to crunch the numbers necessary to develop nuclear weapons, but it takes the military and politicians to go ahead and use them. The head of the Manhattan Project was Maj. Gen. Leslie Groves reporting directly to the President; scientists such as Leo Szilard* were the ones trying to prevail upon Washington not to use what had been unleashed.

* Co-signer with Einstein of a famous pre-war letter to Roosevelt warning of the possibility of "a new kind of weapon ..."
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Walter on September 12, 2017, 12:07:57 AM
Not the whole picture. Certainly you need some heavy-duty physicists to crunch the numbers necessary to develop nuclear weapons, but it takes the military and politicians to go ahead and use them. The head of the Manhattan Project was Maj. Gen. Leslie Groves reporting directly to the President; scientists such as Leo Szilard* were the ones trying to prevail upon Washington not to use what had been unleashed.

* Co-signer with Einstein of a famous pre-war letter to Roosevelt warning of the possibility of "a new kind of weapon ..."
and now the potential to provide a new  power source for mankind.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 12, 2017, 08:14:12 AM
Not the whole picture. Certainly you need some heavy-duty physicists to crunch the numbers necessary to develop nuclear weapons, but it takes the military and politicians to go ahead and use them. The head of the Manhattan Project was Maj. Gen. Leslie Groves reporting directly to the President; scientists such as Leo Szilard* were the ones trying to prevail upon Washington not to use what had been unleashed.

* Co-signer with Einstein of a famous pre-war letter to Roosevelt warning of the possibility of "a new kind of weapon ..."

Quite. But the original post implied it was religionists that were the bad guys. All I was getting at was that nutters come in all shapes, sizes and mind sets.
Title: Re: SCIENCE FLIES YOU TO THE MOON,
Post by: Walter on September 12, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
Quite. But the original post implied it was religionists that were the bad guys. All I was getting at was that nutters come in all shapes, sizes and mind sets.
As a generalisation, that's what I was implying.