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Title: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Nearly Sane on October 06, 2017, 07:37:05 AM

To be fair many people don't get stats but Phonsie sounds a bit of a prat


http://www.thejournal.ie/hov-bishop-factcheck-3620053-Sep2017/
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Harrowby Hall on October 06, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
It would seem that his perception of a 30% risk is justification enough for his to have a rant against the joys of sex.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Nearly Sane on October 09, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Or he decided to present this as a false case to back up his point?
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: wigginhall on October 09, 2017, 07:00:47 PM
Yes, sounds like he's lying. 
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Owlswing on October 10, 2017, 12:04:08 AM

Yes, sounds like he's lying.


NO NO NO! He's NOT lying! He just doesn't know WTF he's talking aboput never having had a F to educate him on what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Walter on October 28, 2017, 06:16:57 AM
To be fair many people don't get stats but Phonsie sounds a bit of a prat


http://www.thejournal.ie/hov-bishop-factcheck-3620053-Sep2017/
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Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: floo on October 28, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Phonsie is probably jealous others are having sex and he isn't.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Robbie on October 28, 2017, 06:12:10 PM
Must admit I didn't know there was such a vaccine. Do people just go to their GP and ask for it?  (I'm not going to have one now btw, just interested.)
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Harrowby Hall on October 28, 2017, 11:13:08 PM
Must admit I didn't know there was such a vaccine. Do people just go to their GP and ask for it?  (I'm not going to have one now btw, just interested.)

I think the principle is that it is given to prepubescent schoolchildren. Phonsie's "logic" is that schoolchildren will interpret the vaccination as a signal that sexual activity is risk-free and there will thus be uncontrolled shagging amongst 13 and 14 year olds.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Walter on October 28, 2017, 11:35:43 PM
I think the principle is that it is given to prepubescent schoolchildren. Phonsie's "logic" is that schoolchildren will interpret the vaccination as a signal that sexual activity is risk-free and there will thus be uncontrolled shagging amongst 13 and 14 year olds.
when I was a 13 or 14 year old shagger control was definitely a problem 😛
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Robbie on October 29, 2017, 12:06:16 AM
I think the principle is that it is given to prepubescent schoolchildren. Phonsie's "logic" is that schoolchildren will interpret the vaccination as a signal that sexual activity is risk-free and there will thus be uncontrolled shagging amongst 13 and 14 year olds.

They may be offered the vaccination but can't be forced to have it if they don't want it.  Not having it won't stop shagging so I don't see how having it will increase the activity.
I thought they all used condoms nowadays - except those who get pregnant of course.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: jeremyp on October 29, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
I like his logic. "would you get on an aircraft that was 70% safe". Well of course I wouldn't. However if you were one of the 17 out of 100,000 women that get cervical cancer, it's like being told that you have to get on a plane and there's a choice between a plane that is 70% safe or a plane that is definitely going to crash.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Harrowby Hall on October 29, 2017, 08:46:33 AM
  Not having it won't stop shagging so I don't see how having it will increase the activity.

I was just pointing out what might be Phonsie's perception of the consequences of the vaccination. I think that he thinks that they don't shag now because they fear the possibility of infection. With that fear removed ...

Hence the vaccine is immoral .. and sinful ... and ...
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Robbie on October 29, 2017, 01:13:05 PM
I'm not getting into morals of schoolkids but feel that if a vaccine has been made to protect girls, who catch the virus from sex with boys, it might be a good idea to develop a vaccine for boys preventing them from carrying it and passing it on to girls.  Or maybe even to other boys if it is  sexually transmitted.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Harrowby Hall on October 29, 2017, 04:59:43 PM
There is no reason why the vaccine should not be given to both girls and boys. Just giving it to girls will halve the cost - that's all.

I don't think that its a matter of "morals of schoolkids" but of a bishop who appears to think that fear of contracting a disease is a motivation for adolescents to avoid sexual activity and that removal of that fear will result in such behaviour. He wants to prevent girls from having the vaccination in order to protect their moral welfare. I don't think that he is bothered about their health.
Title: Re: Bishop Phonsie's bit of dishonesty
Post by: Robbie on October 30, 2017, 05:20:50 AM
I think you're right. People used to talk like that about the pill.