Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on February 09, 2018, 08:26:05 AM
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You would think a simple change....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-42977303
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Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.
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Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.
Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people
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Dear Sane,
Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)
Gonnagle.
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Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people
FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.
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Unfortunately for me it involves singing for a nonsensical nonexistent thing to save an representative of an undemocratic institution to be able to subjugate people
Exactly.
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Dear Sane,
Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)
Gonnagle.
The same man suggested the Archers theme as the replacement
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FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.
I can't remember the last time outside of sporting occasions on t'tele that I've heard it in order to not stand for it.
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Dear Humph,
FTR I will stand for the national anthem, but I do not sing it.
WHY!!
Have you forgotten the words :P
Here! Go away and practice ;)
God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen
There are more verses but us Brits are to lazy to learn them all, Oh and there once was a verse about rebellious Scots to crush but it never caught on :P
And FTR ( Oh Gonnagle you teenager ) I not only stand but I sing it to, I love a good sing song, one of the reasons I don't attend Church more often, they always want to sing Hymns I don't know the words to, it should be mandatory in all Churches that Onward Christian Soldiers and All Things bright and Beautiful should be sung every Sunday. :P
Gonnagle.
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I'm old enough to remember the habit of standing up for the national Anthem at the cinema. As I couldn't see any point in the words or the ideas that they expressed, I soon didn't bother standing up and refrained from singing any part of it. :)
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I remember most people ran out before the anthem started up and it played to a nearly empty cinema.
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Yes, you were just left with HWB standing and Gonzo standing and singing while the rest of us tried to make last orders
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The same man suggested the Archers theme as the replacement
O my god!
Can you imagine the problems that would cause! Gender neutrality is child's stuff compared with the troubles this would generate.
The Archer's tune is a maypole dance from ... Yorkshire: Barwick Green, from a suite called My Native heath by a Yorkshireman named Arthur Wood.
The wars of the roses aint over yet ...
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Surly our national anthem has reached the point where it needs to be dumped wholesale and start again with something relevant and sensible.
ippy
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Surly our national anthem has reached the point where it needs to be dumped wholesale and start again with something relevant and sensible.
ippy
Why replace something boring with something boring?
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It doesn't have to be boring.
My choice would be A Song for a Festival by George Dyson with words by C Day Lewis. It was written for the Festival of Britain in 1951.
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Dear Humph,
WHY!!
Have you forgotten the words :P
Here! Go away and practice ;)
God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen
There are more verses but us Brits are to lazy to learn them all, Oh and there once was a verse about rebellious Scots to crush but it never caught on :P
And FTR ( Oh Gonnagle you teenager ) I not only stand but I sing it to, I love a good sing song, one of the reasons I don't attend Church more often, they always want to sing Hymns I don't know the words to, it should be mandatory in all Churches that Onward Christian Soldiers and All Things bright and Beautiful should be sung every Sunday. :P
Gonnagle.
I have not been a "Brit" since Braveheart
"Onward Christian Soldiers" is the same tune, albeit in a major key as opposed to a minor key, as is "Painted Emblems" from Ruddigore.
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Our is gender flexible. Saves an awful lot of time, money, & trouble.
I find more meaning in the Ying Tong song.
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Dear Sane,
Aye but!! As a great man once said "If anybody is going to save the Queen then Gods the very man" ::)
Gonnagle.
Here's a theology bit.....OK, the English monarch is supposed to be head of the CofE, Gonners.
Now, being head of the CofE, you'd expect that the monarch has accepted that salvation, a onece-for-all gift, is given on acceptance of the God whom that church worships.
So, if the monarch has accepted salvation....why should anyone keep singing a prayer for tha monarch to be saved?
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I think the idea is to save the Queen here and now, keep her safe here, "long to reign over us", not her spiritual salvation, Anchor.
Don't remember ever being anywhere the anthem was played at the end of things but could have happened when I was a kid I suppose. Think we sang it at school on occasion.
Like Gonnagle, I only know the first verse. Quite like it!
(I wonder how I'll feel when it's, "God save the King".)
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I say bin it: and the monarchy with it.
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I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
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I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
::)
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It doesn't have to be boring.
My choice would be A Song for a Festival by George Dyson with words by C Day Lewis. It was written for the Festival of Britain in 1951.
Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.
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I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
Jerusalem? Surely the Hokey Cokey is one we can all get behind.
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Jerusalem? Surely the Hokey Cokey is one we can all get behind.
https://youtu.be/7d8eMEzGWLk?list=RD7d8eMEzGWLk
No
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I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
Have you never looked at the lyric, Humph? Doesn't it ever strike you as a kind of lament by a dissatisfied religious nut who wants to impose his religious beliefs on everyone else?
First of all - it asks four questions, the answer to each one being "No".
Then it suggests being a one-man philosophical jihadist who wants to move a city from Asia Minor to England.
As for the Horse of Kent - that did used to everywhere: on road-rollers made in Grantham.
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https://youtu.be/7d8eMEzGWLk?list=RD7d8eMEzGWLk
No
That video is the very epitome of what it means to be English.
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Have you never looked at the lyric, Humph? Doesn't it ever strike you as a kind of lament by a dissatisfied religious nut who wants to impose his religious beliefs on everyone else?
First of all - it asks four questions, the answer to each one being "No".
Then it suggests being a one-man philosophical jihadist who wants to move a city from Asia Minor to England.
As for the Horse of Kent - that did used to everywhere: on road-rollers made in Grantham.
Jerusalem always strikes me as a howl of rage.
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Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry
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Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry
If you do wish to be totally naff
https://youtu.be/9CFcu8JRwAU
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Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry
Theme from Only Fools.
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I look forward to that happy day when I can sing "Jerusalem" as the national anthem of the Republic of England, and the Horse of Kent again stands on Bromley Hill.
Blimey!
All I can say about 'Jerusalem' is that when we sang it in school assembly I found it emotionally stirring, especially the intro. banged out loudly on the piano in the hall. I felt exhilarated! Yeah I know I'm a sad case.
(Also like the Glastonbury legend which so inspired Blake.)
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Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.
....and disgustingly british - and therefore worthy of confining to the recycling bin of history.
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Agadoo
Youll never walk alone
Dad's army theme
Colonel Bogey march The great escape
Land of hope and Glory
Wiv a little bit of luck
Self preservation society
Theme from Eastenders
Always look on the bright side of life
I vow to thee, Mike Huntry
Land of Hope and Glory?
You really want to recall the glorious exploitation, colonisation, genocide and imposed britishness of Empire?
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....and disgustingly british - and therefore worthy of confining to the recycling bin of history.
It's only your attitude that is disgusting here.
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Blimey!
All I can say about 'Jerusalem' is that when we sang it in school assembly I found it emotionally stirring, especially the intro. banged out loudly on the piano in the hall. I felt exhilarated! Yeah I know I'm a sad case.
(Also like the Glastonbury legend which so inspired Blake.)
The music is thanks to Parry though.
It's a howl of rage against industrialisation and 'progress'. Reminds me of Clare in some ways.
The Glastonbury Thorn was vandalised not so long ago. There's hope that replacements can be grown from cuttings.
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It's only your attitude that is disgusting here.
Sorry, Rhi;
The festival of britain was an attempt to relaunch the british commonwealth of nations from the ashes of the slavery of empire.
It was a 'Britain first' for the 1950's - a britain which had "NO Irish, No Blacks and no Indian" notices on the B&B windows. A britain which was still trying to cling onto the African colinies it enslaved as a means of exploitation. There was nothing to celebrate in 1951. (except thwe fact that we returned the stone of Scone from the Westminster Abbey shower who nicked it seven centuries earlier)
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To Rhi:- Yeah, dark satanic mills and all that. Great stuff. Do you mean Clare who wrote 'The Silken Tent'?
About the Glasto thorn - I hope so.
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Sorry, Rhi;
The festival of britain was an attempt to relaunch the british commonwealth of nations from the ashes of the slavery of empire.
It was a 'Britain first' for the 1950's - a britain which had "NO Irish, No Blacks and no Indian" notices on the B&B windows. A britain which was still trying to cling onto the African colinies it enslaved as a means of exploitation. There was nothing to celebrate in 1951. (except thwe fact that we returned the stone of Scone from the Westminster Abbey shower who nicked it seven centuries earlier)
I didn’t mention the Festival of Britain. No interest in it. All I said was the I find the concept of ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’ boring.
You have an issue with the FoB, take it up with those who raised it.
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The aforementioned tune was written for the FoB. It is therefore relevent to the thread. Anyhow, since the so-called UK is far from united, no tune would satisfy. That's why I postulated the Ying tong song.
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Your prejudice is as ever on display.
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To Rhi:- Yeah, dark satanic mills and all that. Great stuff. Do you mean Clare who wrote 'The Silken Tent'?
About the Glasto thorn - I hope so.
John Clare is the poet of my people. I’ve researched my family history and found them forced off the land into the workhouse and the London slums around St Katherine’s Dock, in conditions researched by the Fabian Society in accounts that read like something from a dystopian nightmare.
http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/01/24/john-clare-poor-peoples-poet
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It was I that mentioned the Festival of Britain. The Dyson/C Day Lewis song is a song (as best I can recall - it is over half a century since I have heard it) that is a celebration of landscape - "Brave isle of meadow cliff and cloud".
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Wow! I'm impressed.
I have a little anecdote about 'The Silken Tent' but it's not for this thread.
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Land of Hope and Glory has been mentioned. The memorable, sinuous melody that Elgar wrote as the trio section in his first Pomp and Circumstance march was hi-jacked by other people and used for nationalistic purposes. Elgar was very unhappy at its transformation from a concert march to national song.
Land of Hope and Glory has resulted in Edward Elgar being regarded as an imperialist chauvinist by many people who dismiss his other work as being of similar intent. The title Pomp and Circumstance is taken from perhaps the darkest moment in Othello. Elgar was very upset by his march being used as a kind of national anthem in reserve during WW1. His earliest recognition had been in Germany and his friend and publisher, August Jaeger (Nimrod in the Enigma Variations) was German. Jaeger's family were forced to change their name to "Hunter" when war broke out.
No, Vlad, NOT Land of Hope and Glory.
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Ippy wants something ‘sensible’ and ‘relevant’. Sounds horrifically dull.
Assuming you're right Rhi, it couldn't be any duller than the present dirge like, I was going to say tune, sound the present anthem makes.
Regards ippy
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Assuming you're right Rhi, it couldn't be any duller than the present dirge like, I was going to say tune, sound the present anthem makes.
Regards ippy
Not disagreeing with you there.
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If you do wish to be totally naff
https://youtu.be/9CFcu8JRwAU
A bit thin on the vocals.....of course that was the style then, Sheena Easton, Bananarama it even got as far as the medieval Baebes.
Mind you Anna Wing, Wendy Richard or June Brown could have rasped it up a bit.
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Your prejudice is as ever on display.
Yep.
Just like Robert Burns.
http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/PoliticsBurnsand.720.shtml
Yep.
Just like Robert Burns.
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A bit thin on the vocals.....of course that was the style then, Sheena Easton, Bananarama it even got as far as the medieval Baebes.
Mind you Anna Wing, Wendy Richard or June Brown could have rasped it up a bit.
If you look to the right hand side, there are all sorts of naff rubbish from ex Eastenders actor/esses for those who enjoy this kind of thing. What really did annoy me almost as much as listening to Ress-Mogg was a Christmas episode of Songs of Praise, which featured "Jesus is our Lord and King" sung to this ghastly tune. Talk about overkill >:(