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General Category => Sports, Hobbies & Interests => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 02:36:55 PM

Title: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 02:36:55 PM
Mmm, I suspect that in a case where it was Joe Bloggs and John Doe, this might not have had the same result.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45182868
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: ad_orientem on August 14, 2018, 02:42:15 PM
A six day trail all for a bloody brawl outside a club? FFS!
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 02:44:06 PM
A six day trail all for a bloody brawl outside a club? FFS!
'Trail'  ;). But yep, it is unlikely that the trial of Joe Bloggs would have taken the time.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Steve H on August 14, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
'Trail'  ;). But yep, it is unlikely that the trial of Joe Bloggs would have taken the time.
It's the gutterpress that stokes this kind of thing. (Geddit?)
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 02:55:30 PM
It's the gutterpress that stokes this kind of thing. (Geddit?)
Yep, they like to cook it up, probably needs root and branch reform across a broad spectrum, but then not everyone can count themselves among the woakes.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Steve H on August 14, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
Stokes! It's a pun! Oh, please yourself.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
Stokes! It's a pun! Oh, please yourself.
Of course I will, after all is the Pope Catholic? Or indeed does a bairstow shit in the woods?  The only thing that would make me happier currantly is having a buttler.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
I have been following this story and tbh it seemed to be pretty much a case of 'he said, they said'. I couldn't decide who was telling the truth, who started what and who said what to whom and frankly, I'm not surprised by the verdicts.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
I have been following this story and tbh it seemed to be pretty much a case of 'he said, they said'. I couldn't decide who was telling the truth, who started what and who said what to whom and frankly, I'm not surprised by the verdicts.
In most day to day cases the very fact of being involved in this sort of thing would mean you would be found guilty, especially if caught on camera.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
In most day to day cases the very fact of being involved in this sort of thing would mean you would be found guilty, especially if caught on camera.

I have no idea. But this went to a jury trial and everyone was acquitted.

Not that I give a shit about cricket or Ben Stokes.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
I have no idea. But this went to a jury trial and everyone was acquitted.

Not that I give a shit about cricket or Ben Stokes.
And yet there was an affray. This is not a typical trial for this.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 07:01:57 PM
Maybe not relevant to your point but it does cast doubt on some of the witness statements.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/14/gay-couple-say-ben-stokes-did-not-deserve-to-face-trial
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 07:06:58 PM
Maybe not relevant to your point but it does cast doubt on some of the witness statements.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/14/gay-couple-say-ben-stokes-did-not-deserve-to-face-trial
Fair point. Given the length of trial for people not being called when referred to seems even odder.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Rhiannon on August 14, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Fair point. Given the length of trial for people not being called when referred to seems even odder.

I thought that when reading the court reports. Given that they were central to everything not to even read their statements is very strange. I get that by talking to the press they may have been open to being discredited by one of the defences (I'd heard that Stokes had come to their defence ages ago) but then their evidence calls into question much of the prosecution to start with.
Title: Re: Ben Stokes not guilty
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2018, 07:29:32 PM
Yep, agree, in some ways I wonder if the jury felt that the idea of a fair trial was already impossible. Wouldn't be the first time.