The article seems reasonable enough to me. I think NS and Rhi are trying to find fault.
The article seems reasonable enough to me. I think NS and Rhi are trying to find fault.You need to work on your mentalism act.
Do you have experience of anxiety and depression?I've had a brush with reactive depression in the past.
I've had a brush with reactive depression in the past.
You need to work on your mentalism act.What on earth is that supposed to mean?
What on earth is that supposed to mean?That your attempt at mindreading about other people's motivations isn't hugely impressive.
That your attempt at mindreading about other people's motivations isn't hugely impressive.If I think that the article is reasonable, but you pick holes in it, it's reasonable to assume that you're trying to find fault.
If I think that the article is reasonable, but you pick holes in it, it's reasonable to assume that you're trying to find fault.No, people disagreeing with something are more likely to just be disagreeing with it.
If I think that the article is reasonable, but you pick holes in it, it's reasonable to assume that you're trying to find fault.
Do you pick arguments with yourself when there's no-one else around?I disagree with the article, why is that problematic for you?
If I think that the article is reasonable, but you pick holes in it, it's reasonable to assume that you're trying to find fault.
Do you pick arguments with yourself when there's no-one else around?
I thought mentalism referred to magic, psychics and that sort of thing.But that isn't what depression is for many people so to portray that is as Rhiannon has pointed out a lazy generalisation. Plenty of people who are depressed don't have a lot of hard knocks. Furtherthe article doesn't even say that it is about hard knocks but part of the brain.
Rampant pessimism is an extreme term. However people who take a lot of knocks (despite trying to think positively and believing 'this time it will be different'), will become pessimistic and if they're depressed & anxious the pessimism will feed the depression & anxiety. It becomes a cycle.They no longer believe in themselves which is demoralising. I'm not sure calling it 'rampant pessimism' is helpful but sort of get what the writer is saying. It means fear.
I thought mentalism referred to magic, psychics and that sort of thing.
Rampant pessimism is an extreme term. However people who take a lot of knocks (despite trying to think positively and believing 'this time it will be different'), will become pessimistic and if they're depressed & anxious the pessimism will feed the depression & anxiety. It becomes a cycle.They no longer believe in themselves which is demoralising. I'm not sure calling it 'rampant pessimism' is helpful but sort of get what the writer is saying. It means fear.
Oh yes NS I agree with you there. Many forms of depression& anxiety (I have experience). Presumably the writer was concentrating on one particular type. Might have been helpful if he/she had said as much. Gottago back to work, laters.That doesn't make much sense either since it is written to suggest that the 'rampant pessimism' is somehow the cause of the depression rather than a symptom as you have described it, and which makes more sense, Also the rest of the article itself doesn't really tie up with the idea that 'rampant pessimism' is a cause, and further it sensationalises the idea of a 'cure' at this stage.
I thought the article was very superficial. Probably not very helpful to anyone clinically depressed and anxious, can imagine them saying, "You've no idea!".It isn't a question of it being unhelpful to anyone who might have a version of depression or anxiety not covered by the article. It's just simplistic, sensationalized, and badly written.
That sounds to me to be a description of someone who has had a tough time, not someone who has depression or anxiety. In fact a common thing that depressives hear is 'what do you have to be miserable about?" IIRC that was John Gregory's response to Stan Collymore.
But aren't there two types of depression - one of which Steve mentioned (reactive depression)? The other posh name for the latter would be exogenous depression, and the type to which you're referring is endogenous depression. The type Steve referred to results from things happening to you (and having suffered it, I can tell you it bloody well is depression). The other type, much more difficult to deal with usually, and the type least likely to gain understanding or empathy from the general public, is the endogenous kind, since it originates within the brain itself, and appears unrelated to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (except in itself being one of those).I think there are as many types of depression as there are people who are depressed. I would think that all types are in a sense endogenous in that where else are they going to orginate. The article though seems to look on something called 'rampant pessimism' as a cause, except when it doesn't, and presents an exogenous idea at the start only to then move onto endogeneous as a cause. It is a steaming pile of wombat shite.
Have I spelt those two greeky adjectives right?
I think there are as many types of depression as there are people who are depressed. I would think that all types are in a sense endogenous in that where else are they going to orginate.I think if we're honest "endogenous" in terms of depression occupies the same niche in psychology and psychiatry that "idiopathic" does in medicine generally - in other words: "It just happens. Why? Search me, sunshine. Haven't a Scooby."
I think if we're honest "endogenous" in terms of depression occupies the same niche in psychology and psychiatry that "idiopathic" does in medicine generally - in other words: "It just happens. Why? Search me, sunshine. Haven't a Scooby."agree, but then the worst issue there is the use of exogenous as how would you tell?
But aren't there two types of depression - one of which Steve mentioned (reactive depression)? The other posh name for the latter would be exogenous depression, and the type to which you're referring is endogenous depression. The type Steve referred to results from things happening to you (and having suffered it, I can tell you it bloody well is depression). The other type, much more difficult to deal with usually, and the type least likely to gain understanding or empathy from the general public, is the endogenous kind, since it originates within the brain itself, and appears unrelated to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune (except in itself being one of those).
Have I spelt those two greeky adjectives right?
It isn't a question of it being unhelpful to anyone who might have a version of depression or anxiety not covered by the article. It's just simplistic, sensationalized, and badly written.