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Title: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 24, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45283401

I wish they would make up their minds. First they say a very moderate intake is good for you, next it is bad! ::)

I drink a very tiny amount of brandy three times a week. My husband likes  a small single malt whisky on a Sunday lunchtime, it mustn't clash with the meds he has morning and evening.

I don't think either of us would be devastated if we had to give up drink altogether.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: ad_orientem on August 24, 2018, 02:17:04 PM
Bollocks to recommended amounts. Alcohol warms the old cockles.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 24, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
Bollocks to recommended amounts. Alcohol warms the old cockles.
Hear hear.

I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Robbie on August 24, 2018, 02:22:56 PM
Your intake is moderate LR - very moderate. Don't worry, we'll soon be advised to eat more fat and sugar.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 24, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
Your intake is moderate LR - very moderate. Don't worry, we'll soon be advised to eat more fat and sugar.

I am not worried, although I have to be very careful because the statins I was on for a very high familial cholesterol level didn't do my liver any good at all. :o Neither my husband or I have ever been drunk, I don't think we ever touched any alcohol at all until we were well into our 20s, our parents were TT. The idea of having a hangover does not appeal to either of us.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 24, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
This is a more nuanced report of the findings.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/safest-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-none-worldwide-study-shows/2018/08/23/823a6bec-a62d-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?utm_term=.275215e20a95
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Steve H on August 24, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
Load of my eye and Betty Martin.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 24, 2018, 10:25:30 PM
Load of my eye and Betty Martin.
Arthur Bennett wants his dog back, pronto!
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Rhiannon on August 25, 2018, 12:33:33 AM
Load of my eye and Betty Martin.

Agatha Christie. The Thirteen Problems. Won't say more - spoilers.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Rhiannon on August 25, 2018, 12:35:28 AM
This is a more nuanced report of the findings.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/safest-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-none-worldwide-study-shows/2018/08/23/823a6bec-a62d-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?utm_term=.275215e20a95

So what it is saying is that if I drink a scotch at night before bed the odds of it being unsafe is negligible, whereas if I drink a scotch and then drive home, it isn't.

Wow.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Robbie on August 25, 2018, 08:00:56 AM
In bed, if you're alone, all you're going to do is sleep and a drink or two isn't going to hurt, it will enhance sleep (not good if you've had a skinful but a little is alright). 

Driving is a different matter, many are not fit to drive after one glass!  Others - big people mainly - are OK after a pint.

Because I am relatively thin and a lightweight regarding booze, I would not drive after drinking even a small amount. Unless a few hours had passed.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Steve H on August 25, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Arthur Bennett wants his dog back, pronto!
?
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Steve H on August 25, 2018, 08:26:21 AM
Agatha Christie. The Thirteen Problems. Won't say more - spoilers.
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Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 25, 2018, 08:28:37 AM
One should NEVER drink and drive, however small an amount one has imbibed, as it could make you slightly less attentive. 
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Maeght on August 25, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
One should NEVER drink and drive, however small an amount one has imbibed, as it could make you slightly less attentive.

How long after drinking is okay?
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 25, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
How long after drinking is okay?

About 12 hrs I would say just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 25, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
About 12 hrs I would say just to be on the safe side.
What if you drink more than 12 units?
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Robbie on August 25, 2018, 12:45:32 PM
One should NEVER drink and drive, however small an amount one has imbibed, as it could make you slightly less attentive.

Nobody has suggested otherwise  :o.

What if you drink more than 12 units?

Maybe a week including two days on a drip in hospital :-). I'd probably be dead, or half dead.  Don't know, I'll try it later and let you know  ;). If I don't return you'll know why. No flowers please.

Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Maeght on August 25, 2018, 01:03:51 PM
Nobody has suggested otherwise  :o.

Maybe a week including two days on a drip in hospital :-). I'd probably be dead, or half dead.  Don't know, I'll try it later and let you know  ;). If I don't return you'll know why. No flowers please.

Good luck  :D

I was just looking to point out tht a blanket 'Don't drink and drive' isn't enough.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Udayana on August 25, 2018, 02:38:38 PM
Who is going to give up drinking on basis of this study?
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Aruntraveller on August 25, 2018, 07:48:27 PM
Who is going to give up drinking on basis of this study?

Not me. I have a small bottle of Polish vodka called "Szambelan" which I intend to sample this very evening.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: torridon on August 25, 2018, 08:03:10 PM
OOhhh, now that sounds very nice.

Can I pop round ?
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 25, 2018, 09:19:00 PM
Not me. I have a small bottle of Polish vodka called "Szambelan" which I intend to sample this very evening.

That's my least favourite kind of vodka.

I don't mean the brand, I mean a small bottle.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Steve H on August 26, 2018, 08:55:46 AM
Never drunk vodka. On thr rare occasions that I drink spirits, it's single malt whisky (or occasionally whiskey).
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: ad_orientem on August 26, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
Who is going to give up drinking on basis of this study?

Not me. I drink to forget. I drink to remember. I drink to be happy in the company of friends. Alcohol is a gift of God to warm the hearts of men.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: ad_orientem on August 26, 2018, 05:12:40 PM
Never drunk vodka. On thr rare occasions that I drink spirits, it's single malt whisky (or occasionally whiskey).

Vodka is a top drink. Warm and straight. In the summer sometimes with tonic.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Humph Warden Bennett on August 29, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
I enjoy cool white wine.

I like to think that the nurses will allow me the same on my final lunchtime on earth.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Robbie on August 29, 2018, 07:37:36 PM
They will Humph, they will (if you're awake), but that is for the future.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: jeremyp on August 30, 2018, 02:47:23 PM
Bollocks to recommended amounts. Alcohol warms the old cockles.
Dear diary, today I agreed with ad orientem about something.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: jeremyp on August 30, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
One should NEVER drink and drive, however small an amount one has imbibed, as it could make you slightly less attentive.
Rubbish, a small amount of alcohol isn't going to make a serious dent in your driving ability. If it were a problem, you'd have to ban all sorts of things like driving with a full bladder or driving with a takeaway Indian on the passenger seat.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 30, 2018, 03:20:56 PM
Rubbish, a small amount of alcohol isn't going to make a serious dent in your driving ability. If it were a problem, you'd have to ban all sorts of things like driving with a full bladder or driving with a takeaway Indian on the passenger seat.

I don't think it is rubbish, anyway some people's idea of a small amount of alcohol often puts them close to, or over the limit.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: jeremyp on August 30, 2018, 03:32:17 PM
I don't think it is rubbish, anyway some people's idea of a small amount of alcohol often puts them close to, or over the limit.
A glass of wine would be a small amount of alcohol but impairment as a result for an average person is going to be minimal if any. The law recognises this, which is why the current level is not zero. There are many distractions available to car drivers that will be worse.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 30, 2018, 03:46:08 PM
A glass of wine would be a small amount of alcohol but impairment as a result for an average person is going to be minimal if any. The law recognises this, which is why the current level is not zero. There are many distractions available to car drivers that will be worse.

The excuse made by those who drink and drive! ::)
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: jeremyp on August 30, 2018, 03:50:55 PM
The excuse made by those who drink and drive! ::)
No, just trying to think things through rationally instead of applying blind prejudice.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 30, 2018, 03:52:07 PM
Hiding to nothing ...
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Roses on August 30, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
No, just trying to think things through rationally instead of applying blind prejudice.


Better safe than sorry. We will have to agree to differ.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: jeremyp on August 30, 2018, 03:54:36 PM

Better safe than sorry. We will have to agree to differ.
If you want to be safe don't get in a car ever.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: ad_orientem on August 30, 2018, 05:43:41 PM
 
Dear diary, today I agreed with ad orientem about something.

 ;)
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: ad_orientem on August 30, 2018, 05:45:25 PM
Rubbish, a small amount of alcohol isn't going to make a serious dent in your driving ability. If it were a problem, you'd have to ban all sorts of things like driving with a full bladder or driving with a takeaway Indian on the passenger seat.

Damn right. A glass of wine with food or even one or two beers after work ain't going to affect the driving ability of most people. There! We've agreed again...I'm scared. :(
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 30, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
Rubbish, a small amount of alcohol isn't going to make a serious dent in your driving ability. If it were a problem, you'd have to ban all sorts of things like driving with a full bladder or driving with a takeaway Indian on the passenger seat.
Having experienced both, my judgement is that driving while absolutely busting for a piss is vastly more likely to be a cause of inattentive and therefore unsafe driving than driving with a more or less empty bladder but after one glass of wine with food.
Title: Re: No alcohol is safe!
Post by: Shaker on August 30, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
If you want to be safe don't get in a car ever.
Non-drivers on the roadside are fairly regularly killed by drivers, for a variety of reasons. If you want to be safe don't be alive.