Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on October 02, 2018, 04:02:38 PM
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This seems tokenism to me
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45717841
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What a load of half-arsed, feeble-minded bolingbrokes. Also, it's "problems", not "issues". I hate that tiresome, trendy euphemism.
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Agree with your first sentence steveh. 100%.
Issues and problems are not the same thing, and 'issues' is not a trendy euphemism, has been around a long time.
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Agree with your first sentence steveh. 100%.
Issues and problems are not the same thing, and 'issues' is not a trendy euphemism, has been around a long time.
It's widely used nowadays as a euphemism for "problems".
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Not that I've noticed unless you consider something that is mildly irritating or bewildering a problem. Perhaps you could take it up with those of your acquaintance who misuse the word 'issue/s' and put them right. No-one I know uses the word as a euphemism for 'problem/s', which means something more serious than an issue.
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I'll go for ditching the whooping, cheering and clapping to the music in favour of "jazz hands", I'm not so sure about plain old clapping at the end of a performance.
Regards ippy
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I used to go to theatre sometimes with a good friend who would raise both hands to the level of my head and proceed to do a very loud, steady slow handclap - right in my ear! Apart from that I have no objection to clapping, cheering and whooping & don't think jazz hands would have the same effect (even if kinder on the tympanic membrane).
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I think this might even be wrong in its initial premise. I have deaf friends in the USA and one of them feels vibrations of music and other noises and appreciates them, I imagine (although don't know for sure) that clapping may produce a similar effect. Will ask next time we speak (turn of phrase) we communicate by e-mail and text and through his wife.
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There’s something so earnest about all off this cobblers. Bless.
To be fair it might make a difference to someone with autism/Aspergers, but would they want to be at a noisy event to start with? And I love the idea of jazz hands in the HoP.
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There’s something so earnest about all off this cobblers. Bless.
To be fair it might make a difference to someone with autism/Aspergers, but would they want to be at a noisy event to start with? And I love the idea of jazz hands in the HoP.
We have to remember that it's not ok to clap in the HoC but making monkey noises is fine - so what would those look like?
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I suppose "jazz hands" is fine if you want to look like a complete lemon. Not very helpful for blind people either, that is if you're trying to be 'respectful' and inclusive. But yeah, it shows even idiots manage to make their way into university.
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I suppose "jazz hands" is fine if you want to look like a complete lemon. Not very helpful for blind people either, that is if you're trying to be 'respectful' and inclusive. But yeah, it shows even idiots manage to make their way into university.
Not idiots so much as immature: undergraduates are usually aged 18-21. I was very immature and believed some daft stuff at that age.
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Not idiots so much as immature: undergraduates are usually aged 18-21. I was very immature and believed some daft stuff at that age.
Point taken.
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This strikes me as being a well meaning gesture which has been badly presented bu Manny Uni NUS. Apparently this is intended only for debates , not for musical performances, etc. I do recall the British Youth Council (a far more conservative body than the NUS) passed a resolution that the colour of each page of the agenda be printed in bold at the top of the said pages, so as to assist those who are colour blind.
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This is an interesting comment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45729031
My ASD daughter can cope with the loud noises at a performance but can't cope with jump scares. I dated a guy with Aspergers who was sensitive to noise - he couldn't cope with listening to some of Shearwater's music because of how they experiment with sound.
I agree with her comment that it is about raising awareness rather than banning things.
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Our grandson (16) has Asperger's, and there were certain things, which would send him off on one when he was younger, I am not aware clapping was one of them. However, he has had to learn to live with some things which make him uncomfortable, or remove himself from the situation completely.
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Our grandson (16) has Asperger's, and there were certain things, which would send him off on one when he was younger, I am not aware clapping was one of them. However, he has had to learn to live with some things which make him uncomfortable, or remove himself from the situation completely.
Yes, someone with high functioning ASD/Aspergers can adapt to a lot of things. I think it's more about developing an understanding in others as to why someone may struggle with noise, crowds, or conversely may laugh too loudly or talk too much. My daughter doesn't get some social cues at all which makes her seem rude, but she can't help it. Because she's bright and sociable (very different to the ASD caricature of someone who won't make eye contact or talk) her disability isn't obvious. Sometimes I wish I could jump in with, 'actually she just did that because she's autistic' but as she's nearly 15 that isn't really fair. It's really hard disability to deal with in that regard.
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Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.
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As I have said before I believe my husband also has Asperger's, although due to his brain damage he cannot be tested for the condition. Fortunately it doesn't seem to have affected his day to day life, even if he has always come over as rather different to other people.
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Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.
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The problem we've encountered is the 'sausage machine' approach to education. The schools can't grasp that although she's incredibly bright she also struggles with processing, organisation, workload and maintaining concentration on anything she isn't interested in. But home schooling doesn't work because she likes the social side of learning alongside others. It's not uncommon for people with high functioning ASD not to 'achieve' in the conventional way.
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The problem we've encountered is the 'sausage machine' approach to education. The schools can't grasp that although she's incredibly bright she also struggles with processing, organisation, workload and maintaining concentration on anything she isn't interested in. But home schooling doesn't work because she likes the social side of learning alongside others. It's not uncommon for people with high functioning ASD not to 'achieve' in the conventional way.
Our grandson finds home schooling has worked well for him as he didn't enjoy the social aspect of school, only its academic nature.
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Bill Gates is said to be mildly aspy, so it needn't hold anyone back!
Also, maybe Alan Turing, Ludwig Wittgenstein, and Mozart.
And Isaac Newton ... whose interactions with other human beings were often bizarre.
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The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.
It takes all sorts.
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The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.
It takes all sorts.
No it doesn't. Someone who has Aspergers (doesn't;t take that long to type) or high functioning ASD has a disability. You wouldn't say of someone with cystic fibrosis that it 'tales all sorts'.
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The friend I mentioned earlier was/is an 'Aspie', loved classical music and had no concept that very loud hand clapping - right in my ear - would in any way be objectionable. I remember after a concert we were on tube station and Bob Marley song was playing, friend felt uncomfortable, thought that was really awful especially after hearing a beautiful recital.
It takes all sorts.
You appear to be very dismissive of Asperger's syndrome. If you or one of your children/grandchildren had it you wouldn't treat it so lightly.
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No it doesn't. Someone who has Aspergers (doesn't;t take that long to type) or high functioning ASD has a disability. You wouldn't say of someone with cystic fibrosis that it 'tales all sorts'.
There is the movement to describe anyone on this on other spectrum as neurologically diverse and I think they might be sympathetic to Robbie's classification.
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There is the movement to describe anyone on this on other spectrum as neurologically diverse and I think they might be sympathetic to Robbie's classification.
'It takes all sorts' is a dismissive term used as a way of describing someone who is just odd or weird. It isn't a term that is generally used to celebrate diversity, but to dismiss it. It is so hard to see people think that someone you care about is rude, difficult or weird because they aren't neurotyoical. I didn't realise how important it is to acknowledge ASD as a disability until that poor woman got thrown out of a theatre for laughing too loudly. Then the BBC started featuring high functioning ASD on its disability pages and I thought yeah, if my daughter is going to have an ok life, this matters.
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'It takes all sorts' is a dismissive term used as a way of describing someone who is just odd or weird. It isn't a term that is generally used to celebrate diversity, but to dismiss it. It is so hard to see people think that someone you care about is rude, difficult or weird because they aren't neurotyoical. I didn't realise how important it is to acknowledge ASD as a disability until that poor woman got thrown out of a theatre for laughing too loudly. Then the BBC started featuring high functioning ASD on its disability pages and I thought yeah, if my daughter is going to have an ok life, this matters.
I agree. Asperger's syndrome can be a positive condition as well as a negative one, and this needs to be emphasised as well.
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I agree. Asperger's syndrome can be a positive condition as well as a negative one, and this needs to be emphasised as well.
I agree wholeheartedly. It isn't something that anyone should be scared of, which I have seen (in the sense that they tried to avoid their child getting a diagnosis). And each person with it is unique. My daughter doesn't fit the 'typical' ASD image and people are just waking up to the fact that there isn't one.
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I agree wholeheartedly. It isn't something that anyone should be scared of, which I have seen (in the sense that they tried to avoid their child getting a diagnosis). And each person with it is unique. My daughter doesn't fit the 'typical' ASD image and people are just waking up to the fact that there isn't one.
As I have stated before I suspect my husband has Asperger's, I was fascinated by him as he was so different to all the other lads I had met. His best friend, probably has it too, he is now retired but held a senior position at the European Space Agency. He is actually visiting us next week, the two of them will play endless games of chess.
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As I have stated before I suspect my husband has Asperger's, I was fascinated by him as he was so different to all the other lads I had met. His best friend, probably has it too, he is now retired but held a senior position at the European Space Agency. He is actually visiting us next week, the two of them will play endless games of chess.
Chess. Great game. Used to love playing it with my friends stoned off our faces.
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Chess. Great game. Used to love playing it with my friends stoned off our faces.
I can't play it too hard for my small brain cell!
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I have problems with my ears which mean I am sensitive to noises such as clapping. Whooping is just annoying! Jazz hands? Embarrassing. So many issues :D
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I have problems with my ears which mean I am sensitive to noises such as clapping. Whooping is just annoying! Jazz hands? Embarrassing. So many issues :D
Perhaps everyone should have a sign that says 'applause' to hold up at appropriate moments. :)