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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Theism and Atheism => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on November 05, 2018, 04:29:54 PM
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At the moment I can just think of 'Jesus Paints His Nails' although that is hardly great and probably I'm the only one here who remembers it or cares to remember it.
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At the moment I can just think of 'Jesus Paints His Nails' although that is hardly great and probably I'm the only one here who remembers it or cares to remember it.
They don't have the vast amounts of money required to commission such things, unlike the people who run major religions.
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Nye Bevan was an atheist.
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What is your definition of New Atheism?
When that is forthcoming then an accurate response is more likely to occur.
You do have a meaningful, non sarcastic definition, don't you?
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Hey Vlad, did you hear about the anti-new-atheist comedian?
He said he was feeling a bit funny...
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What is your definition of New Atheism?
When that is forthcoming then an accurate response is more likely to occur.
You do have a meaningful, non sarcastic definition, don't you?
That body of men and women true who espouse the world view of the four horsemen and their associates.
I'm afraid you cannot have scriptures and notables beloved by millions and pretend with any credibility that you aren't a community.
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Nye Bevan was an atheist.
I didn't see him write anything or join any congregation like the four horsemen.
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I didn't see him write anything or join any congregation like the four horsemen.
Still an atheist though.
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Hey Vlad, did you hear about the anti-new-atheist comedian?
He said he was feeling a bit funny...
I suppose we should be grateful for the contribution of antitheist comedy to the environment...
Apparently near extinct and once thought extinct species of tumbleweed thrive at their gigs.
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Hey Vlad, did you hear about the anti-new-atheist comedian?
He said he was feeling a bit funny...
That's a cracker.
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Still an atheist though.
Aneurin Bevan
1897-1960
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Aneurin Bevan
1897-1960
And an atheist
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They don't have the vast amounts of money required to commission such things, unlike the people who run major religions.
I think there is one educational establishment that would count as New Atheist. The New College of the humanities in London.
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My old college, UCL, was founded as a secular institution, and, I think, was greeted with hostility by the C of E.
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That body of men and women true who espouse the world view of the four horsemen and their associates.
I'm afraid you cannot have scriptures and notables beloved by millions and pretend with any credibility that you aren't a community.
If you could let me know who any of those people actually are?
How many are there?
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My old college, UCL, was founded as a secular institution, and, I think, was greeted with hostility by the C of E.
UCL founded 1826
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If you could let me know who any of those people actually are?
How many are there?
Ippy might be yer man on that one.
If I didn't know better I'd have thought you were going down the What officer, nah, that volume of Hitchens is propping up my window and I use letters to Christian nation to stop the chair wobbling route.
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UCL founded 1826
So what? I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth! It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists. UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
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So what? I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth! It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists. UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
Are you then, since we are on this thread, equating atheism and secularism with New Atheism?
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Ippy might be yer man on that one.
If I didn't know better I'd have thought you were going down the What officer, nah, that volume of Hitchens is propping up my window and I use letters to Christian nation to stop the chair wobbling route.
So, knowing you, once an athiest philanthropist is suggested which fucks off your premise, you will dismiss him/her with some shitty Vladdish excuse.
Given the above, I aint playing your game.
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That body of men and women true who espouse the world view of the four horsemen and their associates.
I'm afraid you cannot have scriptures and notables beloved by millions and pretend with any credibility that you aren't a community.
What are the new atheist scriptures?
Who are these people beloved by millions?
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What are the new atheist scriptures?
Who are these people beloved by millions?
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/new-atheism
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So, knowing you, once an athiest philanthropist is suggested which fucks off your premise, you will dismiss him/her with some shitty Vladdish excuse.
Given the above, I aint playing your game.
The title of the thread is not a premise it's a question and everyone can make a contribution.
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The title of the thread is not a premise it's a question and everyone can make a contribution.
Still not biting.
Y'all have Vladdy type fun though.
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Still not biting.
Y'all have Vladdy type fun though.
Ido see the difficulty. If you are going to claim that New Atheism is merely the disbelief in Gods then one cannot really claim it as a source of inspiration.
That's what I think
What about others?
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So what? I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth! It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists. UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
What sense are you using the word dominate.
A high street can be dominated by charity shops but that doesnt mean commerce is squeezed out or forbidden.
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If you are going to claim that New Atheism is merely the disbelief in Gods then one cannot really claim it as a source of inspiration.
I think you're confusing New Atheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism) with atheism (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism).
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I think you're confusing New Atheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism) with atheism (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism).
Im taking my cur from Nearly Sane who has offered up Bevan as founding the NHS.....an atheist....and Wigginhall who has offered up UCL as a secular and atheist foundation.
Of course definitions of atheism are split and there are some who would deny a New Atheism although you sound if you acknowledge it .
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https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/new-atheism
That's just a list of books. I asked you to tell us what the scriptures are.
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Given that New Atheism isn't a thing I'm not sure how it can give anyone anything.
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Given that New Atheism isn't a thing I'm not sure how it can give anyone anything.
How isn't it a thing. I've listed why it is. Where's your list?
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I think there is one educational establishment that would count as New Atheist. The New College of the humanities in London.
Educational establishments should not have any ideology, religious or anti-religious.
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Educational establishments should not have any ideology, religious or anti-religious.
Ideologies are notoriously difficult to avoid. The British Humanist Association know this full well when they laud non demoninational schools for being close to what the BHA espouse. That sounds neutral until you remember that secular humanism is an ideology.
I tend to focus on foundation. There are times when there has been no social compunction to found schools and the motivation has come from religious institutions.
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Im taking my cur from Nearly Sane who has offered up Bevan as founding the NHS.....an atheist....and Wigginhall who has offered up UCL as a secular and atheist foundation.
Where did Wigginhall say UCL was an atheist foundation?
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So what? I don't think New Atheism had a virgin birth! It has historical roots, including many secularists and atheists. UCL was significant, because education had been dominated by various churches.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/dec/06/ucl-launches-inquiry-into-historical-links-with-eugenics
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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/dec/06/ucl-launches-inquiry-into-historical-links-with-eugenics
So what? Eugenics may be out of favour nowadays, but it has a respectable history, and isn't necessarily associated with racism or genocide. Churchill and Julian Huxley were two prominent advocates of it in the early 20th Century. I don't believe in it myself, but voluntary eugenics should not be like (say) anti-semitism, which just has to be named to be condemned.
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They don't have the vast amounts of money required to commission such things, unlike the people who run major religions.
Hear! Hear!
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My old college, UCL, was founded as a secular institution, and, I think, was greeted with hostility by the C of E.
Called the "God-less institution of Gower Street" by a churchman whose name I forget . . . Thomas Arnold I thnk . . .