Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on January 12, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
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The sad saga of St Peter's Seminary continues.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46822229
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Not being a fan of modernist architecture, the best thing for it is to be bulldozed. Ugly building.
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Even what we might individually consider ugly buildings can be important and since ugliness is a subjective opinion, it's fairly useless for deciding what is worthwhile. I went to Hinterland in the building and I found it rather beautiful i in that appearance.
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Ugliness and beauty are not completely subjective; rather, they are inter-subjective.
I have nothing against modernist design in general, but this building seems to have no great merit. Bulldoze it, I say.
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Ugliness and beauty are not completely subjective; rather, they are inter-subjective.
I have nothing against modernist design in general, but this building seems to have no great merit. Bulldoze it, I say.
No, you don't understand the term intersubjective. That's merely the argumentum ad populum. You are correct in the idea that the market in one sense is always right but only in its own terms.
Have you ever visited the building?
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I do understand the term inter-subjective, and I certainly don't believe that the market is always right, which I didn't say or imply.
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It is a ghastly looking building, which is very reminiscent of the former council offices in our nearby town, which I believe will be demolished and homes built there instead.
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I do understand the term inter-subjective, and I certainly don't believe that the market is always right, which I didn't say or imply.
The market is intersubjective in the sense you used the term. So you are contradicting yourself.
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Original comment grudgingly deleted, before I get suspended again. Standards of beauty and artistic merit are inter-subjective, meaning that they are broadly agreed on, though they are not, obviously, objective. If they were merely subjective, then popularity would be the only guide to to artistic and literary merit, and Patience Strong would be the greatest poet of modern times. As it is, even people who like her doggerel and never read real poetry would probably admit that she's not a great poet. Artistic and literary merit's inter-subjectivity must be qualified by saying that it is the judgement of those who have studied and thought deeply about the subject.
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It is a ghastly looking building, which is very reminiscent of the former council offices in our nearby town, which I believe will be demolished and homes built there instead.
Agree it looks like a municipal building, when I looked I thought of an ugly block of council flats but what you describe sounds more like.
I'm with Oliphant.
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The sad saga of St Peter's Seminary continues.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46822229
It would have been nice if they could have posted some pictures of it before it fell into ruin.
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Ugliness and beauty are not completely subjective; rather, they are inter-subjective.
I have nothing against modernist design in general, but this building seems to have no great merit. Bulldoze it, I say.
I'm not an expert on architecture, but to me the building looks like a very interesting example of the state of the art in the 1960's. I'd say it has a lot of merit, if not actual beauty.
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That is subjective opinion.
Oli stop being so self deprecating, you've said nothing wrong.
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Original comment grudgingly deleted, before I get suspended again. Standards of beauty and artistic merit are inter-subjective, meaning that they are broadly agreed on, though they are not, obviously, objective. If they were merely subjective, then popularity would be the only guide to to artistic and literary merit, and Patience Strong would be the greatest poet of modern times. As it is, even people who like her doggerel and never read real poetry would probably admit that she's not a great poet. Artistic and literary merit's inter-subjectivity must be qualified by saying that it is the judgement of those who have studied and thought deeply about the subject.
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So what's the measure of merit? BTW given that you haven't studied architecture, then surely you are arguing that if those that have can be considered 'right', then your opinion is worthless by your own logic?
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That is subjective opinion.
Oli stop being so self deprecating, you've said nothing wrong.
Though you are disagreeing with his idea that there is such a thing as intersubjective validation.