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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on March 15, 2019, 05:32:09 PM

Title: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 15, 2019, 05:32:09 PM
Certainly feels that way.



https://apnews.com/08e538e370914f6e8243e237dbde50b5
Title: Re: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: Roses on March 16, 2019, 08:27:20 AM
With that dangerous man in the White House, the US is beginning to become a rogue state. The Tommy Robinsons of this world, would feel very much at home there! >:(
Title: Re: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 16, 2019, 09:09:50 AM
Of course given the UKs position on the Chagos Islands so are we.
Title: Re: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: Roses on March 16, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
The British Empire was not something of which the UK should be proud. It is about time the situation with the Chagos Islands, of which I had never heard until recently, is sorted out. 
Title: Re: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 16, 2019, 09:47:23 AM
Not entirely sure of the relevance of the Empire given  only in the last couple weeks we rejected the International Court 's decision. Of course it's entirely in line with the racist PM that we have.
Title: Re: The USA: a rogue state?
Post by: The Accountant, OBE, KC on March 16, 2019, 12:19:01 PM
Yes the US seems to be breaking away from the agreed norms for resolving conflict.

At a nation state level as well as at the militant organisation level it does seem as if the aspiration that humans have shared values, codes of behaviour and affinity for each other because we belong to one human family is not an ideal that can be realised. Even values such as abiding by a rule of law and recognising that there must be some organisation to arbitrate between entities to avoid escalating violent conflict - and changing the law or the entity's method of operation if it is flawed - seems to have been abandoned by some governments. Hopefully a change in government will bring about a change in attitude, though I doubt any government is going to give away any significant power to another entity.

There seems to be a sizable number who prefer to reject the institutions that try to foster a human "family". Short-term self-interest overrides any long term considerations of international stability through adherence to common rules, and as the UN is seen as a political entity that makes political decisions e.g. not recognising Taiwan but recognising China, some people seem to have lost faith in its  judicial system, not just to be fair but also to protect individuals from harm.

The belief in the idea of a human family is even less feasible when we don't even seem to be able to agree on the ethics of use of force during a military conflict - some people believe torture can be justified if it saves lives and others don't. Or some agree with the use of economic sanctions in place of military intervention and others don't, since sanctions shift the harm mostly to the civilian population, including the deaths of thousands of children through malnutrition and lack of access to medicine.