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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Roses on March 26, 2019, 03:29:01 PM

Title: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Roses on March 26, 2019, 03:29:01 PM
The European Parliament has backed a proposal to stop the obligatory one-hour clock change which extends daylight hours in summer EU-wide.
The proposal would give each member state a choice from 2021: either to keep the current summer time system or scrap the twice-yearly clock changes.
Ministers will also have a say on this.
Under an EU directive, all 28 states currently switch to summer time on the last Sunday of March and back to winter time on the last Sunday of October.
The European Commission - in charge of drafting EU legislation - made the proposal last year, after a public consultation which showed 84% of respondents wanting to scrap the biannual clock changes. There were 4.6 million replies in that consultation, 70% of which were from Germans.
But MEPs and the Commission stress that states must co-ordinate their choices, to minimise the risk of economic disruption from a patchwork of different time systems.
What are the pros and cons of summer time?
Daylight saving time (DST) has been compulsory in the EU since 2001, aimed at making the EU internal market work more smoothly and reducing energy costs.
Fewer time differences, it was argued, would facilitate cross-border trade and travel in the EU. The extra daylight hours in summer could reduce spending on artificial lighting and help outdoor leisure activities.
But the energy savings from DST have proven to be quite marginal. And some of the EU's major trading partners - among them China, Russia and Turkey - do not operate under DST.
The consultation and scientific studies suggested that the clock changes were having negative effects on people's health.
The EU Commission says studies suggest "the effect on the human biorhythm may be more severe than previously thought".
Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said "there is no applause when EU law dictates that Europeans have to change the clocks twice a year.
"Clock-changing must stop. Member states should themselves decide whether their citizens live in summer or winter time."
Under the new legislation, governments opting to make summer time permanent would adjust their clocks for the last time on the last Sunday in March 2021.
For those choosing permanent standard time - also called winter time - the final clock change would be on the last Sunday of October 2021.


What a good idea. I think we should stick with GMT all the year round, the mornings are now quite light and the nights are getting lighter.

Don't forget to put your clocks forward one hour at the weekend.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: ad_orientem on March 26, 2019, 08:26:09 PM
Still got to put up with pointless exercise for nnother two poxy years though. Haven't got a danny why this couldn't have come into force this year because this was agreed on last August, I think.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Harrowby Hall on March 26, 2019, 09:29:59 PM
But LR's piece doesn't say that daylight saving time is being abolished - merely that individual countries can decide for themselves whether to have it or not.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: ad_orientem on March 27, 2019, 09:20:51 AM
But LR's piece doesn't say that daylight saving time is being abolished - merely that individual countries can decide for themselves whether to have it or not.

But the pointless exercise of changing the clocks will cease thereafter. It vexes me that it wasn't implemented this year. I know the airlines objected, or rather said they needed a couple of years, but they earn about 3 billion quid a second, you'd think they'd have some fucking super computer that could work it all out in a nanosecond.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Harrowby Hall on March 27, 2019, 09:35:24 AM
I know the airlines objected, or rather said they needed a couple of years, but they earn about 3 billion quid a second, you'd think they'd have some fucking super computer that could work it all out in a nanosecond.

I find this difficult to believe. Airlines operate on GMT - they only use local time in communications with customers.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Steve H on May 15, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Stick with the current system. The experiment with year-round BST in the late 60s was extremely unpopular, and was abandoned. Dont believe the people who tell you that it was popular with the majority of the population, but big business disliked it, and got it dropped: I'm old enough to remember that it was exactly the other way round: it was only big business that wanted it.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: jeremyp on May 15, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
Stick with the current system. The experiment with year-round BST in the late 60s was extremely unpopular, and was abandoned. Dont believe the people who tell you that it was popular with the majority of the population, but big business disliked it, and got it dropped: I'm old enough to remember that it was exactly the other way round: it was only big business that wanted it.
Nah.

Just imagine if we didn’t have clocks moving back and forth.  If somebody said let’s put the clocks back in Winter so it can be even darker in the evenings, we’d think they were bonkers.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Walter on May 15, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
Stick with the current system. The experiment with year-round BST in the late 60s was extremely unpopular, and was abandoned. Dont believe the people who tell you that it was popular with the majority of the population, but big business disliked it, and got it dropped: I'm old enough to remember that it was exactly the other way round: it was only big business that wanted it.

I'm so glad you're back Steve , I hate having to think for myself.
Title: Re: The EU votes to end time changes
Post by: Steve H on May 15, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
 ;D