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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on November 12, 2019, 04:46:57 PM

Title: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 12, 2019, 04:46:57 PM

Met him a couple of times, good fun.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50391439
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Steve H on November 13, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Pity - decent bloke.
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: ad_orientem on November 14, 2019, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: Steve H on November 13, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Pity - decent bloke.

I got that impression too.
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Harrowby Hall on November 14, 2019, 08:10:18 PM
I do have one complaint about Frank Dobson. When he was Secretary of Sate for Health he decided that Sildenafil and similar PDE5 inhibitors would not be available on NHS prescription (except for a small number of specific complaints) but only on private prescription.

I suspect he thought that demand would bankrupt the NHS. Even now, when Sildenafil can be produced as a generic, it is still only available privately. Surely, if women can be provided with free oral contraception then men should be similarly provided with free anti erectile dysfunction drugs.
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 14, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on November 14, 2019, 08:10:18 PM
I do have one complaint about Frank Dobson. When he was Secretary of Sate for Health he decided that Sildenafil and similar PDE5 inhibitors would not be available on NHS prescription (except for a small number of specific complaints) but only on private prescription.

I suspect he thought that demand would bankrupt the NHS. Even now, when Sildenafil can be produced as a generic, it is still only available privately. Surely, if women can be provided with free oral contraception then men should be similarly provided with free anti erectile dysfunction drugs.
So your complaint is that the Health Secretary decided against something he thought would bankrupt the NHS?
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Harrowby Hall on November 14, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
His decision meant that a married man had to pay to have a sexual relationship with his wife.
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 14, 2019, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on November 14, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
His decision meant that a married man had to pay to have a sexual relationship with his wife.
Well you mean some not all as your post suggests, but are you really saying bankrupting the NHS was fine with you?
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Steve H on November 14, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on November 14, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
His decision meant that a married man had to pay to have a sexual relationship with his wife.
They could always follow the example of the policeman from Paddington Junction whose organ had long ceased to function, and who deceived his poor wife for the rest of her life by intelligent use of his truncheon.
I don't think erectile dysfunction is importsant enough to get very expensive treatment on the NHS for. It's not painful, disabling or life-threatening.
Title: Re: Frank Dobson dead
Post by: Robbie on November 15, 2019, 12:46:46 AM
Yes.
Can't be compared with contraception, that benefits both halves of a couple.

If a chap has ED the first thing usually be investigated by a urologist, if drugs are indicated he'd be prescribed them.

There's more than one way of making love, it doesn't have to be penetrative.