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Title: 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 06, 2020, 05:54:11 PM
Central to the very idea of Scotland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Arbroath
Title: Re: 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath
Post by: torridon on April 06, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath
Post by: Gordon on April 06, 2020, 07:57:47 PM
It's quite a story: I'd have though more would have been made of it in the Scottish media but I suppose, understandable, that current events are more pressing.

I remember learning about the "for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule" as a child but I never knew about the Sallust influence on this translation.
Title: Re: 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath
Post by: SusanDoris on April 07, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
It's quite a story: I'd have though more would have been made of it in the Scottish media but I suppose, understandable, that current events are more pressing.

I remember learning about the "for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule" as a child but I never knew about the Sallust influence on this translation.
Coincidentally, My (older) son, who is reading me A History of the British Isles in 100 Places) was reading me the chapter on Arbroath and the treaty on Saturday! It was very interesting.
Title: Re: 700th anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath
Post by: Anchorman on April 07, 2020, 01:42:25 PM
It's quite a story: I'd have though more would have been made of it in the Scottish media but I suppose, understandable, that current events are more pressing.

I remember learning about the "for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule" as a child but I never knew about the Sallust influence on this translation.
   



The interesting - and revolutionary - bit was ther bit about kiccking out the King if he dared to submit to England against the 'commonwealth of the Realm'.
For its' time, it was, and remains, an extraordinary statement, and puts on parchment that the rights of the people, rather than the monarch, of Scotland, are forever sovriegn.