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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on June 02, 2020, 09:21:26 PM

Title: Just a reaction.
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 02, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
Brilliant


https://youtu.be/onoLAlHrAfY
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Gordon on June 02, 2020, 09:33:25 PM
Absolutely - but how on earth was it done!
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 02, 2020, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Gordon on June 02, 2020, 09:33:25 PM
Absolutely - but how on earth was it done!
You and the orangutan are in the same place.
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Aruntraveller on June 03, 2020, 11:54:27 AM
Brilliant. I'm with the Orangutan.
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: ekim on June 03, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
... and here is a smart chimp ..... https://tinyurl.com/yajnwthu
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Harrowby Hall on June 03, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
The chimp is demonstrating eidetic memory. We all have that when we are young but appear to sacrifice it to other cognitive functions as we grow up.
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Nearly Sane on June 03, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
Much simpler magic trick but the orangutan really enjoys it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLrYzY3jVPY
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: BeRational on June 03, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
I wonder what people who think animals  just react instinctively make of this?

This seems to show they knew how the world works and reacted  with surprise when it didn't
Title: Re: Just a reaction.
Post by: Harrowby Hall on June 04, 2020, 11:49:00 AM
But "just instinctively" is not really what you mean, is it?

An "instinct" is a fixed pattern of behaviour which is demonstrated by all members of a species in response to a particular stimulus. I suspect that here you are using "instinctively" to mean something like "without comprehension" or "without showing any connection with the content of the stimulus activity".

I suspect that the great apes, which can be taught aspects of linguistic communication by means of sign language, are capable of learning conceptually but lack the ability to do so expressively.