Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on July 22, 2020, 12:26:18 PM
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Ploy to try and get past the headlines of anti-semitism, sincere act of contrition, or something else?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53489611
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A ploy to try and get past the headlines of anti-semitism, a sincere act of contrition, or something else?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53489611
An attempt to buy your critics off?
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Ploy to try and get past the headlines of anti-semitism, sincere act of contrition, or something else?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53489611
Labour are stymied as long as this can be milked by the Tories
and the Tartan tories. An easy win.
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Because of course Corbyn is such an anti-semite:
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40500
And it may not signify much but the supporters were largely Labour & Liberal Democrat, with a sole Tory, my own MP Peter Bottomley, putting his name to it.
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Because of course Corbyn is such an anti-semite:
https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/40500
One swallow does not a summer make.
Actually, I don't believe Corbyn is an anti semite but he has done some naive things in the past that don't help his case.
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One swallow does not a summer make.
Actually, I don't believe Corbyn is an anti semite but he has done some naive things in the past that don't help his case.
So if you don't believe it, why the swallow comment?
Anyway is this enough swallows:
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/
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So if you don't believe it, why the swallow comment?
Because your defence of him was pretty feeble.
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Because your defence of him was pretty feeble.
Oh fuck off. It was one example of many that I subsequently provided. Your pretence that you don't think him anti-semitic is pretty feeble.
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Oh fuck off. It was one example of many that I subsequently provided.
"Subsequently" being the operative word i.e. after I pointed out that your original post was pretty thin on the evidence. Am I supposed to withhold my criticism on the basis of a post that you are going to make in the future? And, of course, you definitely would have made it, even if I hadn't criticised your first post.
Your pretence that you don't think him anti-semitic is pretty feeble.
You are accusing me of lying. However, your evidence is even even more feeble than your original post on this thread i.e. you don't even have one piece of evidence.
I'll say again: I do not believe Corbyn is anti semitic. I think some of his actions prior to becoming leader show naivety about the Middle East situation. I think the term "antisemitic" is most often used, in the context of the Palestine problem, as a way to shut down debate. I think some of the antisemitic accusations against the Labour Party are effectively smears. I also think Corbyn is a useless twat and his leadership of Her Majesty's Opposition during the Brexit fiasco was an unmitigated disaster. I'm glad he's gone. But he does not hate Jews.
Returning to the subject of the OP. It is my opinion that Starmer's actions were not based on right or wrong, but on a desire to draw a line under the antisemitic issue and move on to more pressing matters such as the uselessness of the Johnson government.
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What Jeremy said (except for the bit about JeremyC being a 'useless twat').
Trent, Peter Bottomley is a good Tory (as opposed to the PM who is a bad Tory).
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jeremyp's reference to Corbyn as a "useless twat" is insulting to useless twats.
I think that "antiSemitism" is indeed being conflated with "anti Zionism" ... and is symptomatic of lazy language practices. My understanding of Semitic is that it is a linguistic term and refers to both Hebrew and Arabic (and also Maltese).
Corbyn's former position as leader of the Labour Party is also indicative of the fact that party political structures in the UK are about 100 years out of date and - along with the electoral system - badly need some king of renewal.
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What Jeremy said.
Trent, Peter Bottomley is a good Tory (as opposed to the PM who is a bad Tory).
I don't know whether you have ever had chance to converse with him. I wrote to him over the pandemic and he phoned me back. He can perhaps be classified as a good Tory, but from my conversation with him he is proof, if it were needed, that compulsory retirement should be enforced in the commons. Either that or there should be some test they need to sit rather like drivers over 70 have to take.
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"Subsequently" being the operative word i.e. after I pointed out that your original post was pretty thin on the evidence. Am I supposed to withhold my criticism on the basis of a post that you are going to make in the future? And, of course, you definitely would have made it, even if I hadn't criticised your first post.
A lot of what you say here is correct.
It still doesn't explain your swallows comment if you did believe he was innocent of the charge of anti-semitism.
The very use of that common adage is to cast doubt on one instance of a good thing happening leading to more of the same.
So if you believed he was innocent of that then logically there was no need for the comment.
I think we can agree that he was not suited for leadership and others may have done better although I'm not sure anything could have saved us from the disaster that will be thrust upon us by Johnson, Gove & Cummings. And, of course, the Brexit debacle was not helped by the ludicrous self delusion of Jo Swinson.
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A lot of what you say here is correct.
It still doesn't explain your swallows comment if you did believe he was innocent of the charge of anti-semitism.
The very use of that common adage is to cast doubt on one instance of a good thing happening leading to more of the same.
So if you believed he was innocent of that then logically there was no need for the comment.
I think we can agree that he was not suited for leadership and others may have done better although I'm not sure anything could have saved us from the disaster that will be thrust upon us by Johnson, Gove & Cummings. And, of course, the Brexit debacle was not helped by the ludicrous self delusion of Jo Swinson.
I knew he was no good as soon as I saw he was one of those people that likes to wear that Trotsky/Lenin type, light blue, peaked sailors cap, they in nearly every case these Trotsky/Lenin hat types live in their own little fantasy world and can often be found wandering around with a far away expression on their face whilst looking for a boat.
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I don't know whether you have ever had chance to converse with him. I wrote to him over the pandemic and he phoned me back. He can perhaps be classified as a good Tory, but from my conversation with him he is proof, if it were needed, that compulsory retirement should be enforced in the commons. Either that or there should be some test they need to sit rather like drivers over 70 have to take.
No I have never met Peter Bottomley Trent, but my friend is good friends with him and tells me all about him. My parents also knew and liked him; he used to be around my way at one time. You may be right on the retirement suggestion :).
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This doesn't look close to being over for the Labour Party. Can see a split happening at this rate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8561341/Labour-anti-Semitism-whistleblowers-drop-legal-action-expels-former-leader-Jeremy-Corbyn.html