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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on November 03, 2020, 01:13:13 PM

Title: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 03, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Thought there was a thread on this but can't find it. This is absolutely excoriating on the SNP's intended bill, and the Party and some of its representatives.


https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18834930.humza-yousafs-hate-crime-home-bill-deranged---opinon-kevin-mckenna/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR0vKHhEGJtZono20DORbOnXR2ihW9HdfWRU8LKYazWCDqL_eSU6qnjpwYE
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Owlswing on November 03, 2020, 01:29:47 PM

Sieg Heil!

Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 03, 2020, 02:39:12 PM
Sieg Heil!
while I think it's a deeply flawed bill and there are numerous problems with the SNP, the comparison to the Nazis is both tedious and offensive.
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Owlswing on November 03, 2020, 04:19:15 PM

while I think it's a deeply flawed bill and there are numerous problems with the SNP, the comparison to the Nazis is both tedious and offensive.


I was thinking of the intrusive nature of the proposed legislation - virtually the introduction of a very Nazi-like thought police or you could equally measure it against the old Stalinist police.

Either way or whatever you equate it too it is an intolerable intrusion by the government, local or national.

This is something that, in the U K, and I don't give a damn what party is behind it, I find offensive!



Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 03, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
I was thinking of the intrusive nature of the proposed legislation - virtually the introduction of a very Nazi-like thought police or you could equally measure it against the old Stalinist police.

Either way or whatever you equate it too it is an intolerable intrusion by the government, local or national.

This is something that, in the U K, and I don't give a damn what party is behind it, I find offensive!
Again I think too many people on different sides of issues lazily throw out comparisons to fascists or nazis. The motivation behind this is the complete opposite to either Nazis or Stalinists. That doesn't stop to being a stupid law that won't achieve ot's aims and could easily be abused.
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Owlswing on November 03, 2020, 09:31:38 PM

 Again I think too many people on different sides of issues lazily throw out comparisons to fascists or nazis. The motivation behind this is the complete opposite to either Nazis or Stalinists. That doesn't stop it being a stupid law that won't achieve it's aims and could easily be abused.


Which is at least part of my reason for describing it the way that I did!
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: jeremyp on November 05, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
Again I think too many people on different sides of issues lazily throw out comparisons to fascists or nazis. The motivation behind this is the complete opposite to either Nazis or Stalinists. That doesn't stop to being a stupid law that won't achieve ot's aims and could easily be abused.
Quite right. I think it is more reminiscent of the Stazi in East Germany. At least that's what I thought when somebody told me (possibly wrongly, I haven't checked the wording myself) they wanted to make it illegal to do "hate speech" in your own house. I see the article also mentions the GDR.

Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Owlswing on November 05, 2020, 05:53:53 PM

 Again I think too many people on different sides of issues lazily throw out comparisons to fascists or nazis. The motivation behind this is the complete opposite to either Nazis or Stalinists. That
doesn't stop it being a stupid law that won't achieve its aims and could easily be abused.


And how many Russians and Germans do you think were dragged off to the Gulags and the Concentration camps by the KGB and the Gestapo for making comments in their own homes that were against political orthodoxy?
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 05, 2020, 06:00:18 PM
And how many Russians and Germans do you think were dragged off to the Gulags and the Concentration camps by the KGB and the Gestapo for making comments in their own homes that were against political orthodoxy?
So having a law against inciting hate against Jew people would mean the country would be like the Nazis?
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Owlswing on November 05, 2020, 06:39:14 PM

 So having a law against inciting hate against Jew people would mean the country would be like the Nazis?


OK! I give up!

Apologies to all!

Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on November 26, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
The bizarre world of the Hate Crime bill


https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/cross-dressers-rocky-horror-picture-show-protected-hate-crime-bill-3047153
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: jeremyp on November 26, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
The bizarre world of the Hate Crime bill


https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/cross-dressers-rocky-horror-picture-show-protected-hate-crime-bill-3047153

It's astounding ... madness takes its toll.
Title: Re: Hate Crime Bill - Scottish Parliament
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 11, 2021, 01:03:15 PM

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