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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on December 16, 2020, 09:57:23 AM

Title: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on December 16, 2020, 09:57:23 AM
Are people of transgender evidence that consciousness and the self are separate from the body?
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: jeremyp on December 16, 2020, 10:07:18 AM
No
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on December 16, 2020, 11:35:22 AM
No
How so?
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Sebastian Toe on December 16, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
Are people of transgender evidence that consciousness and the self are separate from the body?
I'm undecided.
Do you have a yes or no answer to the question?
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: jeremyp on December 16, 2020, 12:33:36 PM
How so?
Because there's o reason why they should be.
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Outrider on December 16, 2020, 01:39:22 PM
Are people of transgender evidence that consciousness and the self are separate from the body?

I don't think so - there are no significantly discernible differences between biologically male and female brains, so there is no reason to think that gender differences should have a structural source even if we presume that consciousness does.

O.
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on December 16, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
I'm undecided.
Do you have a yes or no answer to the question?
My response to yes/noes is always how so?

Gender used to be whatever sex you were and that dependent on Genitalia, possession of Certain chromosomes and the presence of the barr body in one's cell.

 If not attached to,⁹ controlled by, influenced by body, where is the idea of one's gender coming from?
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on December 16, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
I don't think so - there are no significantly discernible differences between biologically male and female brains, so there is no reason to think that gender differences should have a structural source even if we presume that consciousness does.

O.
Sowhere is gender identity coming from then if not the brain which you have said is neither Male nor female?
Title: Re: Transgender shows consciousness separate from the body?
Post by: Outrider on December 18, 2020, 08:09:29 AM
Sowhere is gender identity coming from then if not the brain which you have said is neither Male nor female?

I'm not suggesting that gender is not originating in the brain, I'm pointing out that my take is that gender isn't hard-wired into the brain, given that we can't spot significant structural differences between the brains in biologically male and female bodies.

O.