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Title: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 04, 2021, 05:26:15 PM

This is one of the things that it is harder now for Labour to get right than the Tories


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53902845

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Steve H on February 07, 2021, 01:29:24 PM

There's good patriotism and bad patriotism.
Good patriotism is loving your country the way you love your parents: you accept that other people love their country/parents in the same way, and that that's as it should be.
Bad patriotism goes beyond that to assert that your country is better than all other countries, and should rule them.
Presumably, the patriotism Starmer approves of is the first kind.

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 07, 2021, 01:34:39 PM

Quote from: Nye Scuppertea on February 07, 2021, 01:29:24 PM

There's good patriotism and bad patriotism.
Good patriotism is loving your country the way you love your parents: you accept that other people love their country/parents in the same way, and that that's as it should be.
Bad patriotism goes beyond that to assert that your country is better than all other countries, and should rule them.
Presumably, the patriotism Starmer approves of is the first kind.

And yet there are those in his own party accusing him of 'Flag-shagging'. It's a much narrower line in Labour than in the Tories, and what in Labour would be seen as 'bad patriotism' is acceptable in the Tories, and for a lot of the electorate. Whatever one thinks of Blair, he was a genius at walking that narrow path.

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 13, 2021, 08:17:31 PM

Mark Steel on Labour


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-keir-starmer-snp-brexit-covid-b1801091.html

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Anchorman on February 13, 2021, 10:09:41 PM

 Well, at least no-one's mentioned that pompous numpty Johnson and his pat statement about being the last refuge of the scoundrel; Johnson being a refuge of sneering trite boorishness.

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 13, 2021, 10:22:27 PM

Quote from: Anchorman on February 13, 2021, 10:09:41 PM

Well, at least no-one's mentioned that pompous numpty Johnson and his pat statement about being the last refuge of the scoundrel; Johnson being a refuge of sneering trite boorishness.

Who cares when he is being enabled by ineptitude?

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Harrowby Hall on February 14, 2021, 08:09:34 AM

Quote from: Nearly Sane on February 13, 2021, 10:22:27 PM

Who cares when he is being enabled by ineptitude?

I suspect you may have the wrong Johnson.  The most noble prospect is the high road to England ...

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Anchorman on February 14, 2021, 09:34:06 AM

Quote from: Nearly Sane on February 13, 2021, 10:22:27 PM

Who cares when he is being enabled by ineptitude?

     


Nah, not the hypocrite in Downing Street, NS; the sneering chookie who went on a jaunt in Scotland with his fawning sycophant Boswell.

Title: Re: Labour: Historic divisions over patriotism pose challenge for Starmer
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 22, 2021, 06:45:22 PM

Seen elsewhere


'Keir Starmer's current approach seems to be to agree with Boris Johnson but in a special disappointed voice.'