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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on February 06, 2021, 10:33:32 AM

Title: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Nearly Sane on February 06, 2021, 10:33:32 AM

Interesting idea of rolling back Cameron's reforms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55960355?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Steve H on February 06, 2021, 12:11:38 PM
Looks good, even if it is an idea of BoJo's. Keep private enterprise out of the NHS, I say.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Harrowby Hall on February 06, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
But isn't this going to be another opportunity for Whitehall to engage in its favourite vice? It provides the opportunity for central government to micromanage an activity which might be better if it were devolved.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Aruntraveller on February 06, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
Hmm.....I'd like to see more details before commenting fully. I'm not saying I don't trust Tories Scrub that, of course I don't trust them.

One thing that occurs to me is that the government may use this as a way of deflecting blame for the disastrous handling of the pandemic, along the lines of "If only we'd had more centralised control we could have handled things so much better and we're putting steps in place to make sure it never happens again".

Am I being overly cynical?

I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Roses on February 06, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
On the face of it reform of the NHS is a good idea, but only time will tell if it works out well.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Aruntraveller on February 06, 2021, 11:53:31 PM
On the face of it reform of the NHS is a good idea, but only time will tell if it works out well.

Yes because they've never tried it before.

Oh wait they have.

In my 30 years in the health service we had at least 4 bouts of major reform. Probably more, one loses track. On top of which endless changes to local health practices within both the hospital  I worked at, and in primary care which inevitably affected the hospital trust.

I'm not saying the reforms proposed are bad, just very tiring for the staff involved, and the more reforms you have the less staff will invest in them.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: Owlswing on February 07, 2021, 02:49:59 AM
Yes because they've never tried it before.

Oh, wait they have.

In my 30 years in the health service, we had at least 4 bouts of major reform. Probably more, one loses track. On top of which endless changes to local health practices within both the hospital, I worked at and in primary care which inevitably affected the hospital trust.

I'm not saying the reforms proposed are bad, just very tiring for the staff involved, and the more reforms you have the less staff will invest in them.



Hardly surprising that reforms don't work if the "staff won't invest in them", for whatever reason.

Owlswing

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Title: Re: Boris Johnson plans reform of the NHS in England
Post by: SusanDoris on February 07, 2021, 06:03:46 AM
Yes because they've never tried it before.

Oh wait they have.

In my 30 years in the health service we had at least 4 bouts of major reform. Probably more, one loses track. On top of which endless changes to local health practices within both the hospital  I worked at, and in primary care which inevitably affected the hospital trust.

I'm not saying the reforms proposed are bad, just very tiring for the staff involved, and the more reforms you have the less staff will invest in them.
Reverting to previous ways of doing things never quite works, does it. Time moves on and things have to move with it. When the highly-paid managers were brought in to tighten up the organisation, it seems that some of them did well and others used large amounts of money to provide themselves with luxury accommodation.  What sort of system do you think is likely to be the best (or perhaps least worst!)  system of, say, regional planning and organisation?