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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on March 11, 2021, 12:11:22 PM

Title: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 11, 2021, 12:11:22 PM
This sums up a lot of my thoughts on the tragedy


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-case-of-sarah-everard-should-make-us-all-stop-and-think/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 11, 2021, 12:17:39 PM
A shocking and terrible tragedy.  :o
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 12, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Good article by Mandy Rhodes

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,defining-hate



Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 12, 2021, 11:31:14 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56368531

The suspect in this case was under suspicion of indecent exposure before being arrested for the murder of Sarah Everard!
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 12, 2021, 01:47:27 PM
Good article from Marina Hyde


https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 12, 2021, 02:04:12 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56371163

It has now been confirmed that the human remains found in Kent are those of Sarah Everard.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 12, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
'TV Idea: #NotAllSnakes Men who say "Not All Men" are introduced to a variety of snakes. Not all of them are venomous.'
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 13, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56385657

Wayne Couzens has appeared at the magistrates court charge with Sarah Everard's murder. His next appearance will be at the Old Bailey on March 16th
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 13, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
'TV Idea: #NotAllSnakes Men who say "Not All Men" are introduced to a variety of snakes. Not all of them are venomous.'
Autoflagellatory cobblers.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 13, 2021, 02:36:46 PM
Autoflagellatory cobblers.
Here comes the man to tell women worrued about men'' behaviour that they are wrong.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 13, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
Here comes the man to tell women worrued about men'' behaviour that they are wrong.
Did I say that? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 13, 2021, 02:48:42 PM
Did I say that? I don't think so.
By saying NAMALT is valid, that's precisely what you are saying.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 13, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
You don't half spout some cobblers.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 13, 2021, 03:29:35 PM
You don't half spout some cobblers.

Thus spake the cobbler spouter of all time! ;D
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 13, 2021, 03:31:26 PM
You don't half spout some cobblers.
You never really manage to get past your antediluvian misogyny.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 13, 2021, 03:34:38 PM
Good article by Susan Dalgety

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/as-police-found-sarah-everards-body-msps-voted-against-protecting-women-in-hate-crime-bill-susan-dalgety-3163669
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 14, 2021, 03:23:09 AM

Extraordinary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56389824
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 14, 2021, 07:13:01 AM
The vigil was a bit irresponsible, given Covid-19 restrictions, and looks like virtue-signalling, but the police seem to have behaved pretty badly.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Robbie on March 14, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
I wouldn't call it virtue signalling, people feel they want to do something, standing in some way with the victim & particularly feel for this young woman who was most likely conned into the man's car. To call it a horrific case is an understatement. It's frightening. It's also depressing.

We know not all men are murderers and/or sex offenders, not all women are like Rose West. They are a tiny minority, the majority of people would never in a million years do anything like that or even think of it.

For the record I've never noticed heck-as-like being misogynistic. I can only assume he once said something clumsy on here which has remained unforgiven.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 14, 2021, 09:54:20 AM
I wouldn't call it virtue signalling, people feel they want to do something, standing in some way with the victim & particularly feel for this young woman who was most likely conned into the man's car. To call it a horrific case is an understatement. It's frightening. It's also depressing.

We know not all men are murderers and/or sex offenders, not all women are like Rose West. They are a tiny minority, the majority of people would never in a million years do anything like that or even think of it.

For the record I've never noticed heck-as-like being misogynistic. I can only assume he once said something clumsy on here which has remained unforgiven.
Thank you for that! At least one poster on here assumes that if you don't agree completely with their excruciatingly right-on view of the world, you're a misogynist, homophobe, racist, etc. It ain't necessarily so.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Roses on March 14, 2021, 11:27:24 AM
I think the women were foolish to congregate in the way they did last night. They were risking the health and wellbeing of others by doing so. Having said that the police didn't do themselves any favours either.
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: Steve H on March 14, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
I think the women were foolish to congregate in the way they did last night. They were risking the health and wellbeing of others by doing so. Having said that the police didn't do themselves any favours either.
Even LR can be right occasionally!
Title: Re: Sarah Everard
Post by: The Accountant, OBE, KC on March 16, 2021, 10:52:17 AM
I wouldn't call it virtue signalling, people feel they want to do something, standing in some way with the victim & particularly feel for this young woman who was most likely conned into the man's car. To call it a horrific case is an understatement. It's frightening. It's also depressing.

We know not all men are murderers and/or sex offenders, not all women are like Rose West. They are a tiny minority, the majority of people would never in a million years do anything like that or even think of it.

For the record I've never noticed heck-as-like being misogynistic. I can only assume he once said something clumsy on here which has remained unforgiven.
I would agree with you Robbie that I have not noticed w.i.e being misogynistic. I guess different people have their own ideas of what is racist or misogynistic etc which makes the labels pretty meaningless in my view.

I think turning up to lay flowers was ok and the police did not prevent this. They only stepped in when people started making speeches from the bandstand, which meant the crowd packed in tighter to listen rather than moving on. And the police apparently asked the ladies on the bandstand to stop making speeches and asked people to leave and the ladies on the bandstand refused to leave. The group had issued a statement saying they won't be told what to do. The ladies who were arrested seem to be fine - no major damage done, but then again I don't see what's particularly traumatising about being arrested - lots of men go through it and are released so it doesn't make it any worse if a woman is arrested. Getting arrested got them publicity for their cause so if this was kind of a planned publicity stunt, it seems to have succeeded.

ETA: I share the feelings of the people who turned up to pay their respects and lay flowers. Something more needs to be done to address the problem of law-abiding women not feeling safe from male violence and harassment.